Legato Posted December 23, 2023 Report Posted December 23, 2023 11 minutes ago, bcsapper said: What are the odds that a chud will ever understand that crap is not a defence? Neither was it an attack. Quote
Hodad Posted December 23, 2023 Report Posted December 23, 2023 16 minutes ago, ironstone said: What were the odds that a supposed 'insurrection' could have been successfully pulled off with spears, brass knuckles, bear spray and other implements? And a relatively small number of people at that? It was not Pearl Harbor or 911 all over again. Why do you think "the odds" matter? Does the constitution say that it has to be a really good insurrection to be disqualifying? Many of those people are on video-- or in court --saying exactly what they intended and wanted to happen. Why don't you believe them? They may be fools, but you're still allowed to believe their expressed motives. Quote
CdnFox Posted December 23, 2023 Report Posted December 23, 2023 22 minutes ago, ironstone said: What were the odds that a supposed 'insurrection' could have been successfully pulled off with spears, brass knuckles, bear spray and other implements? And a relatively small number of people at that? It was not Pearl Harbor or 911 all over again. I mean he actually proves YOUR point - america, home of the AR-15, more pistol manufacturers than you can shake a spear at, and where there's a rifle beind every blade of grass according to the japanese, and in an effort to over throw the gov't they brought..... brass knuckles. And a spear. NOT an ar 15. . Like.... you coudln't SCREAM 'we're not really serious about the whole insurrection thing' louder if you had a megaphone. Why would you bring the LEAST effective tools available to you? A WRENCH would have done more thnan brass knuckles. . "Did you at least bring grenades?" " No, but i can shake up this can of coke really good and then if we throw it at one of the guards who looks thirsty he might open it and be disabled by the foam..." I mean - everyone knows that that's all it takes to overthrow the gov't, right? What are the chances the american gov't might fight back? Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Hodad Posted December 23, 2023 Report Posted December 23, 2023 5 hours ago, Nationalist said: Look silly boy, I do believe that election was stolen. In the beginning I simply "felt" or "sensed" it was stolen. As time has passed and more information has become available, I've become convinced it was stolen and that all those hundreds of thousands who came from all over the USA that day, have been right all along. But the one thing that convices me of it, is how vehemently Libbies deny it all. Take you for instance. Every time anyone posts anything about it, you chime in with your over used capitals, 'There is NO EVIDENCE of election FRAUD'. Sonny, your desperation literally reaks of cover-up. As for January 6th itself, again, the information that's come out clearly shows that: A. Trump did not instruct anyone to go into the capital. B. The FBI had all sorts of operatives in the crowd, encouraging a fight with the police. C. Very few people committed any violent acts. D. The video from the capital does not show anything more than an impromptu tourist expedition. And D. The way you snot-nosed dweebs and your Washington toadies insist on tossing anyone who even attended, and some who didn't even get there, with crimes and locked up old folks and journalists in solitary. Karma is going to have its way with you lyin' little shits, and I will enjoy every delicious moment of it. A is blatantly, embarrassingly false. B is almost certainly false. Informants are not "operatives." C is definitely false. D1 is definitely false. D2 (because apparently you love the D) is also false. Only the people who breached the Capitol and the planners (like Tarrio) have been charged. You're just a shameless liar. Have some dignity. Quote
WestCanMan Posted December 23, 2023 Report Posted December 23, 2023 2 hours ago, bcsapper said: What are the odds that a chud will ever understand that crap is not a defence? You don't have to put up a defence every time some m0r0n says something as dumb as "A few hundred unarmed civilians almost overthrew the US gov't". What you call "a nearly successful insurrection" literally lacked the manpower and weaponry to oust the Marquess of Montrose in the 1600s. I'm not even kidding. Will Wallace's band of outlaws in 1300 could have obliterated that many people with that level of weaponry. Taking over Capitol Hill with that group wouldn't have worked 200 years ago. It was just a riot. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
WestCanMan Posted December 23, 2023 Report Posted December 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Hodad said: Many of those people are on video-- or in court --saying exactly what they intended and wanted to happen. Many of those people are on video-- or in court --saying exactly what they were told to say to get 15 years taken off of their sentence. All it takes is for a few people to say what they're told to say, then those people serve a couple years and everyone who tells the truth gets 20. The FBI did this with the collusion witch hunt: convict people of crimes unrelated to collusion, then offer them reduced sentences for false testimony against Trump. Ray Epps was caught on video, more than once, telling people to do the exact things that the Demonrats consider "insurrection" - the exact things that netted people 20 years in jail - but Epps wasn't charged with sedition. If you're caught on camera outside of a bank telling some guys how to rob it tomorrow morning, and they get caught robbing that bank the next morning, do you think you'll end up in jail, or no? Epps was there to make sure that the Dems had a photo op. That's why he's not in jail. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
Nationalist Posted December 24, 2023 Report Posted December 24, 2023 7 hours ago, Hodad said: A is blatantly, embarrassingly false. B is almost certainly false. Informants are not "operatives." C is definitely false. D1 is definitely false. D2 (because apparently you love the D) is also false. Only the people who breached the Capitol and the planners (like Tarrio) have been charged. You're just a shameless liar. Have some dignity. A. Really. Ok show the quote where Trump told anyone to go into the capital. B. Lol... C. Well over 100,000 people showed up. How many convicted of actual violent acts? D. No no. This is true. Very true and very deplorable. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Hodad Posted December 24, 2023 Report Posted December 24, 2023 7 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Many of those people are on video-- or in court --saying exactly what they were told to say to get 15 years taken off of their sentence. All it takes is for a few people to say what they're told to say, then those people serve a couple years and everyone who tells the truth gets 20. The FBI did this with the collusion witch hunt: convict people of crimes unrelated to collusion, then offer them reduced sentences for false testimony against Trump. Ray Epps was caught on video, more than once, telling people to do the exact things that the Demonrats consider "insurrection" - the exact things that netted people 20 years in jail - but Epps wasn't charged with sedition. If you're caught on camera outside of a bank telling some guys how to rob it tomorrow morning, and they get caught robbing that bank the next morning, do you think you'll end up in jail, or no? Epps was there to make sure that the Dems had a photo op. That's why he's not in jail. I know you have AV equipment that can bend the laws of space and time, but I'm skeptical that the videos taken before the insurrection contain comments coerced by prosecutors many months later. And the Ray Epps conspiracy theory remains a massive red flag that you're well off the deep end. He's just another MAGA kook like thousands of others. Except that after FOX kisses another hefty judgment, hell be rich. 1 Quote
Hodad Posted December 24, 2023 Report Posted December 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: A. Really. Ok show the quote where Trump told anyone to go into the capital. B. Lol... C. Well over 100,000 people showed up. How many convicted of actual violent acts? D. No no. This is true. Very true and very deplorable. It's a short (though rambling) speech. You could just read it. "Now, it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. And after this, we're going to walk down, and I'll be there with you, we're going to walk down, we're going to walk down. Anyone you want, but I think right here, we're going to walk down to the Capitol, and we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them." You're off by 10x. 10k people showed up at the Capitol. Quote
CdnFox Posted December 24, 2023 Report Posted December 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Hodad said: It's a short (though rambling) speech. You could just read it. "Now, it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. And after this, we're going to walk down, and I'll be there with you, we're going to walk down, we're going to walk down. Anyone you want, but I think right here, we're going to walk down to the Capitol, and we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them." You're off by 10x. 10k people showed up at the Capitol. Ummm - no where in what you quoted does it say that anyone should enter the capital building, which is what he asked you to quote. Ohhh dear - once again the left has to lie to make it's point. In fact -you left this out. I'll just leave it right here for you, we both know you'll be too scared to address it: "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard." Now - why would you leave that out? oh yeah - you're wrong and you knew it. What a loser. 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Nationalist Posted December 24, 2023 Report Posted December 24, 2023 7 hours ago, Hodad said: You're off by 10x. 10k people showed up at the Capitol. "as many as 120,000—would show up on the Mall on January 6, according to classified numbers still not released by the Secret Service and the FBI but seen by Newsweek. " https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-classified-documents-reveal-number-january-6-protestors-1661296 One needs to ask...why are you such a blatant liar? I mean...everyone makes mistakes...but your continuous mistakes leave only 1 conclusion. You're nothing but a blatant liar. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Hodad Posted December 25, 2023 Report Posted December 25, 2023 15 hours ago, Nationalist said: "as many as 120,000—would show up on the Mall on January 6, according to classified numbers still not released by the Secret Service and the FBI but seen by Newsweek. " https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-classified-documents-reveal-number-january-6-protestors-1661296 One needs to ask...why are you such a blatant liar? I mean...everyone makes mistakes...but your continuous mistakes leave only 1 conclusion. You're nothing but a blatant liar. It's not my fault you have no idea what you're talking about. A. Newsweek is not exactly reliable these days. The Brand was sold for parts. So, grain of salt. B. That administration and their mouthpieces lie about everything, but their favorite thing to lie about is crowd size. Because Trump loves to stroke his own ego. C. You're bumfuzzled as usual. The number you're citing, accurate or not, is referring to when Trump was speaking at the Ellipse. It's a two-mile walk from there to the Capitol. Most of the crowd didn't go. Only the hardcore crazies. D. About 10k people were "protesting" on the Capitol grounds. The riot -- which followed a months-long disinformation campaign by former President Donald Trump and his allies, who claimed without evidence that the election had been stolen through fraud -- lasted seven hours, during which approximately 10,000 people came onto Capitol grounds, with many engaging in violent clashes with officers trying to protect the building and lawmakers inside. At least 2,000 made it inside the Capitol building. Quote
Nationalist Posted December 25, 2023 Report Posted December 25, 2023 7 hours ago, Hodad said: It's not my fault you have no idea what you're talking about. A. Newsweek is not exactly reliable these days. The Brand was sold for parts. So, grain of salt. B. That administration and their mouthpieces lie about everything, but their favorite thing to lie about is crowd size. Because Trump loves to stroke his own ego. C. You're bumfuzzled as usual. The number you're citing, accurate or not, is referring to when Trump was speaking at the Ellipse. It's a two-mile walk from there to the Capitol. Most of the crowd didn't go. Only the hardcore crazies. D. About 10k people were "protesting" on the Capitol grounds. The riot -- which followed a months-long disinformation campaign by former President Donald Trump and his allies, who claimed without evidence that the election had been stolen through fraud -- lasted seven hours, during which approximately 10,000 people came onto Capitol grounds, with many engaging in violent clashes with officers trying to protect the building and lawmakers inside. At least 2,000 made it inside the Capitol building. What I said was... On 12/23/2023 at 9:23 PM, Nationalist said: Well over 100,000 people showed up. How many convicted of actual violent acts? Why must you lie all the time? Is it really so hard for you to just live with reality? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Hodad Posted December 25, 2023 Report Posted December 25, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, Nationalist said: What I said was... Why must you lie all the time? Is it really so hard for you to just live with reality? So your idea of "honesty" is to ask how many people who weren't at the Capitol committed violent acts? Jeebus. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were just confused again. Apparently it's worse than that. Edited December 25, 2023 by Hodad Quote
suds Posted December 26, 2023 Report Posted December 26, 2023 The U.S. has a long history of violent violent protest. The War of Independence began with an insurrection. And then the Civil War. Concerning Jan. 6th, the Colorado Supreme Court came up with its own definition of what constitutes an insurrection (see pages 100-101 of Court's ruling PDF text). Basically they're saying you don't require any bloodshed or organization, or even be such a substantial threat to guarantee success, as long as the threat was great enough to prevent or hinder the government to accomplish a peaceful transfer of power. And that pretty much much sums it up. So to repeat what I've said on another thread... by their own definition, Jan. 6th was an insurrection. Of course the Colorado Supreme Court also acknowledges that many parts of their ruling falls under 'uncharted waters'. I agree with Hodad about why not just wait for the U.S. Supreme Court to weigh in on this, but in my opinion it's not going to pass muster. Quote
Nationalist Posted December 26, 2023 Report Posted December 26, 2023 7 hours ago, Hodad said: So your idea of "honesty" is to ask how many people who weren't at the Capitol committed violent acts? Jeebus. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were just confused again. Apparently it's worse than that. Dopey...try to get through tomorrow without lying. See if you can. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Deluge Posted December 26, 2023 Author Report Posted December 26, 2023 On 12/21/2023 at 10:28 AM, robosmith said: A dozen PB and OK members/leaders were CONVICTED of seditious conspiracy, so those anonymous "sources" don't know what they're talking about. They were wrongly convicted, which is why Trump will be handing out pardons left and right when he returns to the WH in 2025. The real criminals are on the Left, and Trump just may have to focus here in the US his whole four years to put those rabid animals down. Quote
impartialobserver Posted December 29, 2023 Report Posted December 29, 2023 On 12/22/2023 at 3:25 PM, Nationalist said: Ur not very good at this, are ya That's what she said. You are so bad in bed that you fall asleep masturbating. 1 Quote
Nationalist Posted December 29, 2023 Report Posted December 29, 2023 14 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: That's what she said. You are so bad in bed that you fall asleep masturbating. Lol... Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
impartialobserver Posted December 29, 2023 Report Posted December 29, 2023 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: Lol... Not the most talented in the comedic arts but thought that this one fit the moment. As for the topic.. Jan. 6.. the gift that keeps on giving. Month after year, year after year, we will keep debating this and yet nothing will change. Quote
Nationalist Posted December 29, 2023 Report Posted December 29, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, impartialobserver said: Not the most talented in the comedic arts but thought that this one fit the moment. As for the topic.. Jan. 6.. the gift that keeps on giving. Month after year, year after year, we will keep debating this and yet nothing will change. It was funny. As to the topic... You happen to be right. Both sides...of those who have chosen a side on this...have committed to their positions and arguments. What's interesting is that the word "insurrection" is the pivotal issue? Did Trump tell folks to take over the government? Did that mob try to take over the government? One side says yes to both...the other side says no to both. So what's the truth? Well...Trump actually did not tell anyone to take over the government. The provable facts show that clearly. So what's left? Did those thousands try to take over the government? I'm sure some of them wanted to. Was it an "insurrection"? Well...not really eh? I mean especially now that we've seen the video. Seen the documentaries. Heard all the arguments. What I think either escapes the average Liberal, or is covered up and excused, is that we do know that there were organized efforts to cheat in that 2020 election. Many expected it. I mean really...unverified mailin ballots? It was rather obvious. And typical of a party so desperate to gain power, that in the last election the DNC actually conspired against one of their own primary candidates. Not to mention all the lies and deciept they flung about trying to impeach Trump. Ya...it was all expected. And then...true to form...it happened. Some got caught, but never enough to sway the reported outcome. Yet being that contrary to common Liberal beliefs, Conservatives are not stupid. They can smell a rat. To a Conservative, if a few got caught, a lot more got away with it. That's simply common sense. And all the actual proof, supports that line of thinking. It's that election, and the complicity of the FBI, DOJ, and so many other government agencies, that will never be settled. Not in our lifetime anyway. The Democrat Party can never be conclusively found guilty of cheating...for years...and the Republicans know they cheat...all the time. IMO...I've seen the results of The Uniparty. So have we all. Would it benefit anyone to allow that to go on? Not really. So let someone shake it by the very foundations. Let's see what happens. And in Trump's first crack at it...even while the Democrats dragged the guy through 2 demented impeachments...the results were... Refreshing. Edited December 29, 2023 by Nationalist Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
impartialobserver Posted December 29, 2023 Report Posted December 29, 2023 5 minutes ago, Nationalist said: It was funny. As to the topic... You happen to be right. Both sides...of those who have chosen a side on this...have committed to their positions and arguments. What's interesting is that the word "insurrection" is the pivotal issue? Did Trump tell folks to take over the government? Did that mob try to take over the government? One side says yes to both...the other side says no to both. So what's the truth? Well...Trump actually did not tell anyone to take over the government. The provable facts show that clearly. So what's left? Did those thousands try to take over the government? I'm sure some of them wanted to. Was it an "insurrection"? Well...not really eh? I mean especially now that we've seen the video. Seen the documentaries. Heard all the arguments. What I think either escapes the average Liberal, or is covered up and excused, is that we do know that there were organized efforts to cheat in that 2020 election. Many expected it. I mean really...unverified mailin ballots? It was rather obvious. And typical of a party so desperate to gain power, that in the last election the DNC actually conspired against one of their own primary candidates. Not to mention all the lies and deciept they flung about trying to impeach Trump. Ya...it was all expected. And then...true to form...it happened. Some got caught, but never enough to sway the reported outcome. Yet being that contrary to common Liberal beliefs, Conservatives are not stupid. They can smell a rat. To a Conservative, if a few got caught, a lot more got away with it. That's simply common sense. And all the actual proof, supports that line of thinking. It's that election, and the complicity of the FBI, DOJ, and so many other government agencies, that will never be settled. Not in our lifetime anyway. The Democrat Party can never be conclusively found guilty of cheating...for years...and the Republicans know they cheat...all the time. IMO...I've seen the results of The Uniparty. So have we all. Would it benefit anyone to allow that to go on? Not really. So let someone shake it by the very foundations. Let's see what happens. And in Trump's first crack at it...even while the Democrats dragged the guy through 2 demented impeachments...the results were... Refreshing. I will agree that this was not a true insurrection. I think Trump used vague enough language to cover his tracks. Some of his followers simply took it too far. He did not give explicit directive to anyone other than Pence. As for election fraud, I am someone that does not accept theories unless the evidence is absolute. I need to see the physical evidence with my own eyes. That being said... I find most examples of supposed election fraud to be little more than speculation. Georgia and Michigan, those situations were worthy of eye-brow raising. As for Nevada and Arizona.... the complete lack of evidence makes those claims bogus. The so-called experts in those two specific cases.. relied solely on probability. Do you judge the outcome of a game on the score or the probability of one team winning? I have access to the voter registration database in Nevada and while you can believe me or not.. voter fraud claims are bogus. There were less votes cast than ballots mailed out. Quote
Rebound Posted December 29, 2023 Report Posted December 29, 2023 On 12/23/2023 at 1:28 PM, Legato said: Neither was it an attack. If you were a Capitol Police Officer getting bear sprayed and smacked on the head with a fire extinguisher, you’d have felt pretty attacked, wouldn’t you? Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
CdnFox Posted December 29, 2023 Report Posted December 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Rebound said: If you were a Capitol Police Officer getting bear sprayed and smacked on the head with a fire extinguisher, you’d have felt pretty attacked, wouldn’t you? More than if you were a police officer who was attacked during any of the BLM riots? or when they're screaming for police deaths? Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
CdnFox Posted December 29, 2023 Report Posted December 29, 2023 1 hour ago, impartialobserver said: As for election fraud, I am someone that does not accept theories unless the evidence is absolute. I need to see the physical evidence with my own eyes. That being said... I find most examples of supposed election fraud to be little more than speculation. Here's the problem. THe public tends to operate on the 'balance of probability'. Which means they don't go by cast iron proof, they go by what seems to be most likely. And what is most likely to them is coloured very much by their perception of what the outcome SHOULD have been. Polling says that after EVERY election for quite some time now the losing side believes there was foul play of some sort or that it was rigged. Like - a lot. And that's a very serious problem. IF the election laws and ballot control leave the door open to significant fraud (and this does) that might or might not go detected or undetected, you get this weird "Schrodinger's election' where the candidates could be said to have won or lost at the same time. The us has a massive problem with this and something needs to be done to make sure that there is uniform rules in place that give people confidence that there's no fraud whether there has been or not i the past. 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
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