A Catastrophic Climate ‘Tipping Point’ Is Imminent

[CdnFox]

50 minutes ago, robosmith said:

^"Why don't you just admit you meant what I think you meant?" LMAO

Talk about DESPERATE.

 

So you're claiming you didnt' mean conservative?  LOL

 

[Guest]

6 hours ago, robosmith said:

Because you're "like a homeless person"?

No, but my best friend, aunt and many people close to me have been.

Regarding the aunt, she witnessed her daughter get run over by a city bus. Totally unraveling both her stability she enjoyed, and whatever was left of her mental health.

Saving up money, or going green, will be the last thing on such a person's mind. 

6 hours ago, robosmith said:

Big upgrade that I could afford.

At least you're finally admitting that the latter is something that could potentially stop many. Especially the poor. 

While am far from poor, I have many thousands invested in more pressing areas and needs to me and the wife.

A new car is at the bottom of the priorities list. I don't see myself on the market until 2025, when my car will eclipse 200 000kms and sooner or later will start costing me more in repairs to keep it running.

Its insanely reliable, hence the lack of urgency, but obviously won't wait until it becomes an issue. My car looks and operates virtually like new. I have meticulously maintained it.

What am looking for is high reliability, fuel efficiency and lowest possible depreciation. I feel these are more important, and as of right now, there aren't any EVs I know of, at the top of this list.

6 hours ago, robosmith said:

Might want to get solar panels and a Power Wall so you can charge it for free.

Not all will be able to afford or have the logistical ability to make the changes you can effortlessly undergo.

We have property in the Philippines. An EV while noble, makes absolutely no sense. There literally is no infrastructure where we have properties, for this type of thing. You have two options. Diesel, or unleaded.

Practical is a motorcycle for daily commutes, and an SUV or small pickup trucks for long ones, or trips to more rural areas which would destroy any low clearance vehicles undercarriages. 

Same goes with solar panels, when you consider the level of natural calamity that you're subjected to.

One needs to be pragmatic.

6 hours ago, robosmith said:

Poorest countries don't need to act now, they don't contribute much atmospheric CO2.

So unless you're poorest, you don't have to worry. Only the rich and poor should? 

Poor countries are among those releasing 1% or more, of the global output. Even half a percent is massive, when you consider things. In that, even poorer countries factor into that pile. 

Factor 30 such countries, and you start to see why your assessment just doesn't jive.

Or are you saying it isn't as pressing an issue, or only a privileged one, where your bound to get more traction on it from people with money to spend?

6 hours ago, robosmith said:

I will shame them whenever possible.

Shaming is one of the biggest wastes of breath. It literally does nothing but pat yourself on the back, because you can afford to make changes, like you mentioned earlier.

6 hours ago, robosmith said:

As an island nation, nothing is more pressing that sea rise and more and stronger storms.

As a poor nation, the most pressing would be food. Nothing else matters, when famine is a real threat.

[Guest]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

If we're being honest, if he's doing nothing at all he's doing more than the gov't is currently doing with the taxes and harm to the economy.

That poster feels they are "holding me to account" for posts they chose to continue to take out of context, even after clarification.

So me being "morally repugnant" to them, made it a waste of time to be debated with.

Insanely lazy attempt to silence a voice by dismissing it, and does nothing but show they would rather virtue signal, than actually engage in debate.

It would be like me calling my ex wife psychotic and warning you before you debate with her. Now, anything she says, is potentially questionable.

Being objective would be me leaving her being bipolar out of the equation, as it never did anything for her opinions. Something she is entitled to.

Plus, it insults you, in assuming you don't have the IQ to see something I say that is questionable, and not tongue and cheek or deliberately inflammatory, with your own eyes in debating with me.

Its a debate tactic used on the hard left to totally suppress the voice of those they don't agree with.

I use the term hard left on purpose, as this poster knows their political alignment. It is definitely not conservative. 

[Michael Hardner]

5 hours ago, Aristides said:

No, there are lots of conservatives who believe in man made climate change.   You need to stop projecting yourself on others.

70 of all Canadians are convinced of this. I think from the latest polls that's the number. And since the conservatives are pulling over 30% then this is certainly true.

Edited December 18, 2023 by Michael Hardner

[Rebound]

23 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

You gotta love this sh*t.

These Thunbergians have completely swallowed the 'end-is-nigh' koolaid

so deep it goes straight through...

 

What is the downside to moving to renewable electricity generation? All I can see are benefits, unless you’re an oil company. 

[Deluge]

14 hours ago, robosmith said:

You are very stupid if you believe there are enough "caves" to house more that a very small percentage of the population.

Just stop driving your gas guzzler.

There are plenty of caves and trees for climate cult members. 

I suggest you hurry, before all the best caves and big trees are taken. 

Edited December 18, 2023 by Deluge

[Deluge]

15 hours ago, Aristides said:

So because there are people who cry in front of trees, everyone who is concerned about the climate is a moonbat who should be living in a cave. If that is the case, I guess you won't mind me calling all Trump supporters NAZI's. See how that works.

Well, it's still a free country so you could call us Nazis, but you'd be be completely inaccurate. I'm not in the party that needs perpetual poverty to stay alive. YOU are. 

YOU are a moonbat. You may not like that term but it's what you are. You're a moonbat because you believe man is killing Earth. The only thing that separates you from those ldiots in the video, is that you're slightly more reserved in your behavior. 

[Aristides]

24 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Well, it's still a free country so you could call us Nazis, but you'd be be completely inaccurate. I'm not in the party that needs perpetual poverty to stay alive. YOU are. 

YOU are a moonbat. You may not like that term but it's what you are. You're a moonbat because you believe man is killing Earth. The only thing that separates you from those ldiots in the video, is that you're slightly more reserved in your behavior. 

Just like you would be inaccurate to say that people who cry in front of trees represent the great majority of people who are concerned about man made climate change. While there are definitely Nazis in the Trump camp, I believe they are a small minority. Glad you took my point. 

No one is taking about perpetual poverty. That's the problem with you extremists, you can't think in any other terms.

Edited December 18, 2023 by Aristides

[Michael Hardner]

11 minutes ago, Aristides said:

No one is taking about perpetual poverty. That's the problem with you extremists, you can't think in any other terms.

As much as we love fighting doomsday scenarios, the assessed impact of doing nothing versus doing something, in terms of GDP, is in single digit % as I recall.

But, as with Transgender issues, if we didn't grind our teeth and warn of certain doomsdays then why would most posters on here exist ?

Edited December 18, 2023 by Michael Hardner

[Deluge]

12 minutes ago, Aristides said:

1. Just like you would be inaccurate to say that people who cry in front of trees represent the great majority of people who are concerned about man made climate change. While there are definitely Nazis in the Trump camp, I believe they are a small minority. Glad you took my point. 

2. No one is taking about perpetual poverty. That's the problem with you extremists, you can't think in any other terms.

1. People who cry in front of trees share your concern about "man-made climate change". You BOTH believe man is killing Earth. 

2. And no one was talking about Nazis until you stupidly brought them up.

[Aristides]

8 minutes ago, Deluge said:

1. People who cry in front of trees share your concern about "man-made climate change". You BOTH believe man is killing Earth. 

2. And no one was talking about Nazis until you stupidly brought them up.

!: So what if they share my concern, that doesn't make them a majority

2: I was just matching your stupid, extreme generalization. Sorry if it struck a nerve.

[Deluge]

11 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

As much as we love fighting doomsday scenarios, the assessed impact of doing nothing versus doing something, in terms of GDP, is in single digit % as I recall.

But, as with Transgender issues, if we didn't grind our teeth and warn of certain doomsdays then why would most posters on here exist ?

Mike thinks people are killing Earth, but he doesn't know how to stop it without sending humanity back into the Stone Age. 

What's a poor climate activist to do??? 

[Deluge]

Just now, Aristides said:

!: So what if they share my concern, that doesn't make them a majority

2: I was just matching your stupid, extreme generalization. Sorry if it struck a nerve.

1. Every f*cking person who doesn't vote Conservative thinks we're raping the Earth. That's OVER 50%, which is the majority.  

2. No, you jumped at the opportunity to call me a Nazi because that's a major part of what you woke cultists do. 

I explain how you are a tree hugging moonbat, and you trigger out a Nazi reference from sheer reflex.

[Rebound]

39 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Mike thinks people are killing Earth, but he doesn't know how to stop it without sending humanity back into the Stone Age. 

What's a poor climate activist to do??? 

What harm occurs if you turn on your TV using electricity generated by a windmill?  Besides your electric bill going down, that is. 

Edited December 18, 2023 by Rebound

[Aristides]

32 minutes ago, Deluge said:

1. Every f*cking person who doesn't vote Conservative thinks we're raping the Earth. That's OVER 50%, which is the majority.  

2. No, you jumped at the opportunity to call me a Nazi because that's a major part of what you woke cultists do. 

I explain how you are a tree hugging moonbat, and you trigger out a Nazi reference from sheer reflex.

My oh my, that did strike a nerve. Didn't like a bit of your own extremism coming back at you. Poor baby.?

[Legato]

12 hours ago, robosmith said:

I know, you never tell the truth, just make up crap to TROLL

Why tell the truth to someone who is lying to themselves. My home under the bridge is cold right now, must be an imminent ice age.

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

That poster feels they are "holding me to account" for posts they chose to continue to take out of context, even after clarification.

So me being "morally repugnant" to them, made it a waste of time to be debated with.

Insanely lazy attempt to silence a voice by dismissing it, and does nothing but show they would rather virtue signal, than actually engage in debate.

It would be like me calling my ex wife psychotic and warning you before you debate with her. Now, anything she says, is potentially questionable.

Being objective would be me leaving her being bipolar out of the equation, as it never did anything for her opinions. Something she is entitled to.

Plus, it insults you, in assuming you don't have the IQ to see something I say that is questionable, and not tongue and cheek or deliberately inflammatory, with your own eyes in debating with me.

Its a debate tactic used on the hard left to totally suppress the voice of those they don't agree with.

I use the term hard left on purpose, as this poster knows their political alignment. It is definitely not conservative. 

Well , as i've noted many times on this board alone one of the favourite tactics of the left is to dehumanize those they debate with.  You're a 'deplorable nazi homophobe climate-denier chud!"  Etc etc.  As you note -that allows them to dismiss anything you say that they cannot argue against. Which comes in very handy when you present them with facts they can't refute  -  "well, you're just an evil anti-climate sub human so i don't need to listen to what you say  

[Michael Hardner]

9 minutes ago, Aristides said:

My oh my, that did strike a nerve. Didn't like a bit of your own extremism coming back at you. Poor baby.?

Why do you bother, seriously ?

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, Rebound said:

What harm occurs if you turn on your TV using electricity generated by a windmill?  Besides your electric bill going down, that is. 

Quite a bit depending on the details about that windmill.  Even MORE damage occurs if you CAN"T turn on the tv because windmills don't produce enough power but that's what you went with and the needs of industry and the people cannot be met.  Ask California about that.

And what benefit is there to the environment if you still need to run coal plants when the wind dies down?

There's no doubt that wind and solar can play a role in reducing and managing power needs. Solar is cheap which is great but until We improve battery storage by a lot solar power can only be a supplement to our power grid. When you get Unreasonable leftists to demand that it be the primary source of power despite its shortcomings then you get serious problems.

If you want to reduce emissions then you should be supporting the development of the technology we need to do so affordably and responsibly. SMR's, next level battery technology and energy storage, that kind of thing.

[Deluge]

31 minutes ago, Aristides said:

My oh my, that did strike a nerve. Didn't like a bit of your own extremism coming back at you. Poor baby.?

Nothing gets more extreme than the notion that human beings are causing climate disaster. lol

 

[Aristides]

23 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Why do you bother, seriously ?

Good question, it is getting tedious.

[Deluge]

23 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Why do you bother, seriously ?

MH can't help but keep his eyes glued to the conversation. lol

Come on out, Mike. Don't be a pu$$y.

[Deluge]

41 minutes ago, Rebound said:

What harm occurs if you turn on your TV using electricity generated by a windmill?  Besides your electric bill going down, that is. 

You're putting windmills up against fossil fuels and nuclear power? lol

No thanks, you can keep your half-assed power sources. I'll stick with what works.

Edited December 18, 2023 by Deluge

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

As much as we love fighting doomsday scenarios, the assessed impact of doing nothing versus doing something, in terms of GDP, is in single digit % as I recall.

But, as with Transgender issues, if we didn't grind our teeth and warn of certain doomsdays then why would most posters on here exist ?

The damage is real though. Simply dismissing it out of hand like that and downplaying it may be a popular leftist debate tactic with any uncomfortable truth they encounter but it doesn't make it go away.

The carbon tax has done significant damage to our economy. That's not trivial. Other measures being proposed like cutting back on fertilizer use has a major impact.  Refusing to sell oil and natural gas to our allies which forces them into the pockets of the likes of putin not only reduce our economic earnings but affect global security.

These are not trivial things.  And a 'single digit' in gdp represents a major recession.  If your gdp drops 6 percent, that's a huge blow. Our gdp output only fell by about 6 percent during covid in 2020 when we shut the economy down. 

And with the climate change taxes etc that's year after year after year after year that it drags the ecnonomy down more and more.

I'm sure i don't have to repost the dozens of articles mentioning our productivity and standard of living are dropping radically compared to everyone else. It's a big deal.

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, Deluge said:

You're putting windmills up against fossil fuels and nuclear power? lol

No thanks, you can keep your half-assed power sources. I'll stick with what works.

If we're being fair, it's not that they don't "work", it's just that they don't work well enough to address all our power needs.

IF the day came when we could store vast amounts of power easily and cheaply over long periods (the way we store water in a dam to be used when needed) then it solar would be a really great idea in many places. And as it is it's a great supplement.  Super cheap and easy to deploy, it can reduce the amount of hydro projects and gas power stations we need.

The problem is when 1diots try to stretch the technology beyond its capabilities and replace all power generation with these Supplementary tools.

Hopefully the day will come when technology advances occur which allow us to rely more on that kind of technology, but we are not there yet and trying to pretend we are there is what gets us into trouble.