A Catastrophic Climate ‘Tipping Point’ Is Imminent

[Rebound]

13 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

It comes from my deep understanding of short -term events (weather) versus long-term trends (climate). Climate change is over decades, centuries, millennia. Not, today's weather.

Something that is greatly missing from you people's thinking patterns.

So you can’t cite any authoritative source. Figures.  
 

See, you’ve made up the 100 year figure, because there isn’t 100 years of satellite data showing the decimation of the polar ice caps.  

Edited January 5, 2024 by Rebound

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

It comes from my deep understanding of short -term events (weather) versus long-term trends (climate). Climate change is over decades, centuries, millennia. Not, today's weather.

Something that is greatly missing from you people's thinking patterns.

I'm sorry but that's wrong - the CORRECT definition is that when it's a weather event or season that they feel suggests that they're right, then it's climate.  if it's weather than refutes them or others say show's they're wrong, then it's just weather.

Forest fires? Proof of climate change and global warming.  Colder than usual Summer?  that's just weather you !diot.

[OftenWrong]

38 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Forest fires? Proof of climate change and global warming.  Colder than usual Summer?  that's just weather you !diot.

Yep, you know the drill!

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

So you can’t cite any authoritative source. Figures.  

Don't need to. You've already provided the link that shows what it means, which is exactly what I am saying. Whether you understand it is not my concern.

[Legato]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

So you can’t cite any authoritative source. Figures.  
 

Methinks he would if there are any.

Agreeing with the hive mind to secure next years grants are not reliable sources.

[Rebound]

11 minutes ago, Legato said:

Methinks he would if there are any.

Agreeing with the hive mind to secure next years grants are not reliable sources.

NASA has posted conclusive evidence of world wide, global warming over the past century, particularly over the past 40 years.  You can clearly see it for yourself if you simply click the link and look at the evidence.  
 

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/ice-sheets/

Key Takeaway:

Antarctica is losing ice mass (melting) at an average rate of about 150 billion tons per year, and Greenland is losing about 270 billion tons per year, adding to sea level rise.

 

Edited January 5, 2024 by Rebound

[Legato]

4 minutes ago, Rebound said:

NASA has posted conclusive evidence of world wide, global warming over the past century, particularly over the past 40 years.  You can clearly see it for yourself if you simply click the link and look at the evidence.  
 

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/ice-sheets/

Nasa should stick to space matters. Getting involved with the sky is falling crowd was not a viable decision.

[Rebound]

3 minutes ago, Legato said:

Nasa should stick to space matters. Getting involved with the sky is falling crowd was not a viable decision.

NASA has been involved in weather forecasting since 1960, when they launched the world’s first weather satellite.  This revolutionized weather forecasting and it is with these satellites that NASA is better able to track global temperature conditions than any other entity in the world.  
 

“ Data from NASA's GRACE and GRACE Follow- On satellites show that the land ice sheets in both Antarctica (upper chart) and Greenland (lower chart) have been losing mass since 2002.

The GRACE mission ended in June 2017. The GRACE Follow-On mission began collecting data in June 2018 and is continuing to monitor both ice sheets. This record includes new data-processing methods and is continually updated as more numbers come in, with a delay of up to two months.

This is important because the ice sheets of Greenland and Antarctica store about two-thirds of all the fresh water on Earth. They are losing ice due to the ongoing warming of Earth’s surface and ocean. Meltwater coming from these ice sheets is responsible for about one-third of the global average rise in sea level since 1993.”

Edited January 5, 2024 by Rebound

[Legato]

1 minute ago, Rebound said:

NASA has been involved in weather forecasting since 1960, when they launched the world’s first weather satellite.  This revolutionized weather forecasting and it is with these satellites that NASA is better able to track global temperature conditions than any other entity in the world.  

Exactly that was when the sky is falling people took over.

Now Elon Musk has to do all Nasa's heavy lifting.

[Rebound]

6 minutes ago, Legato said:

Nasa should stick to space matters. Getting involved with the sky is falling crowd was not a viable decision.

Of course, you could instead get your information from NOAA, which is part of the Department of Commerce and oversees the National Weather Service:

https://www.noaa.gov/news-release/warmest-arctic-summer-on-record-is-evidence-of-accelerating-climate-change

[CdnFox]

26 minutes ago, Rebound said:

NASA has posted conclusive evidence of world wide, global warming over the past century, particularly over the past 40 years.  You can clearly see it for yourself if you simply click the link and look at the evidence.  
 

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/ice-sheets/

Key Takeaway:

Antarctica is losing ice mass (melting) at an average rate of about 150 billion tons per year, and Greenland is losing about 270 billion tons per year, adding to sea level rise.

 

Yeah but none of that actually indicates a 'crisis'.  I don't know that very many actually deny that weather changes on planet earth - we all know there's been a number of ice ages and most know there's been periods of very warm weather, and even during human existance the weather has changed suddenly. It was nearly catastrophic when weather patterns changed around the world in the 1300's, lead to much starvation.  But does that mean it's a 'crisis'?

Further it doesn't really say how much of that is man made and it DEFINITELY DOES NOT make ANY case for how much exactly world emissions would have to reduce to slow or reverse the damage or at least reduce it to tolerable levels.

The argument seems to be "the climate changes on earth ergo crisis".  I have little doubt that climate change will mean that we will have to adapt and in some places that might be challenging but an argument has to be made that a) this represents a crisis worthy of severe action, b) these are the world wide actions that need to happen to prevent it from being a crisis as previously noted, and c) prevention is easier cheaper or in some way better than adaption.

And you don't see a lot of that.  Just "the world will end if we don't correct the problem by 2033 - spefically by july 3 at 4:17 pm.

Ok - OR WHAT?  And what will THAT take preciesly? From which countries? What do we have to do? And why will we not be able to adapt if we dont?

And it's all mind meltingly vague  or incomplete answers.  "the ocean will rise 3 ft".  OK - so? We can cope with that.  we can stand 3 feet back   We can build a 3.5 ft wall   What is the crisis here?

 

 

[robosmith]

On 12/15/2023 at 2:04 PM, Deluge said:

No, I'm paying a big bill for your stoopid a$$ pipe dream, and that needs to stop. 

Take it up with ANYONE who cares what you believe.

On 12/15/2023 at 2:04 PM, Deluge said:

There is no climate change. 

^Says the amateur who KNOWS NOTHING about the science. LMAO

[CdnFox]

Just now, robosmith said:

Take it up with ANYONE who cares what you believe.

 

You seem to care, you keep replying...

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^Says the amateur who KNOWS NOTHING about the science. LMAO

Says the amateur who knows nothing about how much people know about science  

[robosmith]

On 12/15/2023 at 2:06 PM, godzilla said:

in my lifetime i have seen the weather changing where i have lived for 40 years. its not an unreal thing. its happening now.

where i live its warmer every year. how much longer do those who don't believe anything is happening... that some grand conspiracy is happening where tens of thousands of scientists, universities, private research firms etc. etc.

just think about it. where you live its getting warmer every year. how many years do you plan to be alive? if its getting 2 degrees hotter every summer and you're planning to be around for another 20 years... you'll be cooking. it doesn't just stop getting hotter on its own.

There are always varying fluctuations from year to year. That FACT does NOT disprove the inevitable effects of increasing GHG in the atmosphere.

You need to consider the medium term of 30+ years to understand and measure CLIMATE.

On 12/15/2023 at 2:09 PM, Deluge said:

We had record low temperatures and snowfall last year all the way through April. 

Are you trying to tell us that the 2 degree increase per year starts now? 

He's trying to tell you, that like you, he doesn't understand the meaning of climate.

[robosmith]

On 12/19/2023 at 10:20 PM, Nationalist said:

Bullshit!

A cancer victim hurts himself. You dizzy fcks hurt everyone.

That would be ALL the "dizzy fcks" who pump giga-tons of fossil fuel CO2 into the atmosphere because they won't be around to clean up the mess.

[robosmith]

On 12/20/2023 at 9:08 AM, Nationalist said:

Dweebles...its your rhetoric and panic that is in question here. If you believe the climate is an emergency that warrants all the economic and social harm these greenie policies are causing...prove it or go home.

I'm already home and MANY EXPERTS have already proven it. You are just unable to understand the PROOF until it bites you in the ass.

[robosmith]

On 1/3/2024 at 10:54 PM, Rebound said:

For F’s sake… Texas’ wind turbines froze, AND their other power generators failed, because they went cheap and built them without protection from freezing temps.  

Actually they could have prepared for the winter by winterizing their wind turbines but failed to do so because they never expected such cold temps nor needing the wind turbines in winter. They were only installed for the excess demand for AC in summer.

Ironically they were a victim of climate change denial.

[robosmith]

On 1/3/2024 at 11:26 PM, Nationalist said:

They failed.!

... due to lack of prep for winter. AKA, victim of climate change DENIAL.

On 1/3/2024 at 11:26 PM, Nationalist said:

Maybe. Fact is they failed. Not reliable.

NO ONE who understands they need that extra power in winter has that problem. Duh

On 1/4/2024 at 11:41 AM, Aristides said:

Because they weren't designed to handle ice. Alberta has lots of wind farms and it is a hell of a lot colder than Texas.

They weren't prepped for winter. Easy to do but they wanted to save some bucks.

[robosmith]

On 1/4/2024 at 12:05 PM, Nationalist said:

Your windmills failed.!

Suck it up buttercup.

^Says the completely IGNORANT M0R0N about what actually happened in Texas

On 1/4/2024 at 12:20 PM, Aristides said:

If the Texas ones were that was their fault. Many northern countries have wind farms and they are reliable. The North Sea is full of them. The world's largest floating wind farm is off the coast of Norway. 20% of Sweden's and 17% of Finland's power comes from wind farms.

^FACTS don't matter to gnat man.

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

It comes from my deep understanding of short -term events (weather) versus long-term trends (climate). Climate change is over decades, centuries, millennia. Not, today's weather.

Something that is greatly missing from you people's thinking patterns.

What's missing is your understanding that 30+ years is the standard for differentiating weather from climate.

So you're way off in your insistence on 100 years.

WMO Climatological Normals

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The most significant of these changes was that the definition of a climatological standard normal changed, and it now refers to the most-recent 30-year period finishing in a year ending with 0 (1981-2010 at the time of writing), rather than to non-overlapping 30-year periods (1901-1930, 1931-1960, 1961-1990, and in the ...

 

Edited January 6, 2024 by robosmith

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

Nasa should stick to space matters. Getting involved with the sky is falling crowd was not a viable decision.

The atmosphere is "space matters." Duh

That's why we have satellites to monitor the atmosphere. I guess Canada doesn't.

1 hour ago, Legato said:

Exactly that was when the sky is falling people took over.

Now Elon Musk has to do all Nasa's heavy lifting.

Most satellites don't require "heavy lifting." Duh

[robosmith]

The climate future arrived in 2023. It left scars across the planet

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Even if its extremes are ultimately eclipsed, as seems inevitable, 2023 will mark a point when humanity crossed into a new climate era — an age of “global boiling,” as United Nations Secretary General António Guterres called it. The year included the hottest single day on record (July 6) and the hottest ever month (July), not to mention the hottest June, the hottest August, the hottest September, the hottest October, the hottest November, and probably the hottest December. It included a day, Nov. 17, when global temperatures, for the first time ever, reached 2 degrees Celsius above the preindustrial levels.

Discomfort, destruction, and death are the legacy of those records.

In Phoenix, a heat wave went on for so long, with 31 consecutive days above 110 Fahrenheit, that one NASA atmospheric scientist called it “mind-boggling.” The surrounding county recorded a record number of heat deaths, nearly 600.

In Brazil, drought sapped the normally lush Amazon, causing towns to ration drinking water, contributing to the deaths of endangered pink dolphins, and choking off the river-based system of travel and commerce.

In the Antarctic, wintertime sea ice was at an all-time low. An unprecedented marine heat wave upended coral ecosystems. At one point the coastal Florida Keys waters reached 100 degrees, comparable to a hot tub.

This year will wind up as the first — and almost surely not the last — in which temperatures were at or near 1.5 Celsius above preindustrial levels, a threshold the Paris agreement has aimed to avoid. Though different climate tracking groups wind up with slightly different measurements of the global temperatures, most are within the same margin of error.

“All data sets tell us that we are uncomfortably close to 1.5 already,” said Carlo Buontempo, director of Europe’s Copernicus Climate Change Service, saying that 2023 had been so warm that even an immediate deep planetary freeze wouldn’t stop the year from breaking the all-time annual heat record.

“You’d need an asteroid hitting the planet, and even so I don’t know if you’d manage,” he said. “The anomalies this year are just that much off the charts.”
 

Historical record weather is stronger than normal evidence of GW.
 

[Deluge]

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

He's trying to tell you, that like you, he doesn't understand the meaning of climate.

How long have we got, professor? 

And I don't want any of that "It's imminent" bullshit. Give me the year. 

After you give the year, give me the event. What will we be dealing with? 

[OftenWrong]

 

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

What's missing is your understanding that 30+ years is the standard for differentiating weather from climate.

So you're way off in your insistence on 100 years.

WMO Climatological Normals

 

Uhh, yeah. I said climate takes place over DECADES, CENTURIES and MILLENNIA.

You mental lightweights need to learn how to read. Or don't waste my time...

8 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

It comes from my deep understanding of short -term events (weather) versus long-term trends (climate). Climate change is over decades, centuries, millennia. Not, today's weather.

Something that is greatly missing from you people's thinking patterns.

I see Rebound can't read either, he gave you ups for that lame remark.

Or maybe it's just you don't WANT TO.   😖

[Legato]

5 hours ago, robosmith said:

The atmosphere is "space matters." Duh

That's why we have satellites to monitor the atmosphere. I guess Canada doesn't.

Most satellites don't require "heavy lifting." Duh

Woosh and then massive woosh.

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, robosmith said:

That would be ALL the "dizzy fcks" who pump giga-tons of fossil fuel CO2 into the atmosphere because they won't be around to clean up the mess.

Oh you mean china and india - the big polluters.

Funny you're not calling for serious actions against them seeing as this is so serious.  Why - it's almost like it's not THAT important to you...... 

1 hour ago, Legato said:

Woosh and then massive woosh.

Well of course it went over his head. You have to remember, intellectually speaking robosmith makes a hobbit look like an NBA player - EVERYTHING goes over his head.