A Catastrophic Climate ‘Tipping Point’ Is Imminent

[Hodad]

2 minutes ago, Rebound said:

 

It will not work to wait until the crisis overwhelms us and THEN fix it. That is not a “liberal” opinion, it is a fact-based statement. We can’t just cool the oceans back down. 

Nah, we'll just put some ice in it. Like our glaciers and the Antarctic shelves.

[robosmith]

6 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

What facts? 

The FACTS published in climate SCIENCE JOURNALS. 

That you have to ask, just reveals your IGNORANCE and refusal to LISTEN.

And also your inability to understand what's PUBLISHED.

Remember that pic of the UCSD Library? You might have one of those in YOUR TOWN. LMAO

[Aristides]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Power and control.

To what end, just for the hell of it?

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

What I defend is the truth.

Your "truth" is whatever you want to hear, regardless of the source.

Edited January 3 by Aristides

[taxme]

18 hours ago, Aristides said:

So you don't know. Just another mindless rant. Like I said, you are useless because you just can't get past your politics and use any kind of objectivity.

If your lefty liberal politicians and the phony MSM can convince you enough that the sky is falling down, you would no doubt believe that lie and you would run and go hide under the bridge that you live under for cover. IMHO, i see you as nothing more than a mindless dummy. You have not produced any real proof that their is a real climate crisis going on. I want to see real facts and not bullshit coming from you. Just because there have been a few more floods and fires than usual does not indicate to me that we are in a climate crisis. I need to see some kind of a real climate change affecting Canada. What can you give me on that? 

The climate crisis is a political globalist game being played on suckers like you to try and convince dummies like you into  believing that if we do not stop driving fossil fuel vehicles we are all going to die. China and India are two countries that emit carbon emissions by the ton loads every year.

What you need to do, seeing that you are so concerned about climate change, is to go to those two countries and have a talk with their leaders about their huge amounts of carbon emissions that they are releasing into the air. 

Stop trying to preach to me about a climate crisis because i ain't listening to your bull, pardner. Why do you continue to try and brainwash me into believing your nonsense is beyond me. Give it up, stunned🤡.  

[Aristides]

3 minutes ago, taxme said:

If your lefty liberal politicians and the phony MSM can convince you enough that the sky is falling down, you would no doubt believe that lie and you would run and go hide under the bridge that you live under for cover. IMHO, i see you as nothing more than a mindless dummy. You have not produced any real proof that their is a real climate crisis going on. I want to see real facts and not bullshit coming from you. Just because there have been a few more floods and fires than usual does not indicate to me that we are in a climate crisis. I need to see some kind of a real climate change affecting Canada. What can you give me on that? 

The climate crisis is a political globalist game being played on suckers like you to try and convince dummies like you into  believing that if we do not stop driving fossil fuel vehicles we are all going to die. China and India are two countries that emit carbon emissions by the ton loads every year.

What you need to do, seeing that you are so concerned about climate change, is to go to those two countries and have a talk with their leaders about their huge amounts of carbon emissions that they are releasing into the air. 

Stop trying to preach to me about a climate crisis because i ain't listening to your bull, pardner. Why do you continue to try and brainwash me into believing your nonsense is beyond me. Give it up, stunned🤡.  

Like I said, politics taints everything you think, it makes you incapable of being objective. 

You live in a never never land where anything you don't want to hear is just a lefty plot. You are so brainwashed by your right wing circle jerks its pathetic.

Edited January 3 by Aristides

[taxme]

12 hours ago, robosmith said:

The US is paying its OWN bills and anything we do to mitigate CO2 in the atmosphere is SAVING Canadians MONEY in the long term.

IOW, your post here is ILLOGICAL.

It's current data whether you can understand that OR NOT.

Would you like to see the Canadian taxpayer's save tax dollars? Then the feds should just quit with their climate crisis nonsense. How much has Ottawa collected over the years from the carbon tax being applied on so may things? No doubt, countless millions or maybe even billions. Most of it no doubt is going into the government coffers to be spent on many other useless liberal socialist programs and agendas that do nothing for the taxpayer's of Canada. 

The majority of Canadians do not appear to be overly concerned about climate change. It is just frightened little children  like you that seems to show that you care. o, just what are you doing to help fight this so called climate crisis? Well? 

12 hours ago, robosmith said:

You are the stupid one cause you pretend you understand the facts but in reality you haven't a CLUE.

Since they're not in the middle of populated areas, the chances of anyone getting struck "in high winds" are infinitesimal.

So you can stop worrying about your made up scenario.

Don't worry about it. I've never walked near a wind TURBINE and don't plan to start now. You'll have to visit Holland to find many "windmills."

Can you make up any more scenarios which make you look the FOOL?

You are a real fanatical climate change nut job alright. 😛

[taxme]

12 hours ago, robosmith said:

That's no longer water, that is ice. I would expect you Canadians to know the difference between water and ice, but c'est la vie.

Water expands when it get hotter until it turns to steam and then it expands a LOT MORE.

Thanks for living up to your name.

Put on a coat if you can't afford to heat your house. Duh

Why should anyone turn down their heat in their home especially in the winter time? Homeowners should be able to live in comfort and warmth in their homes during the winter season and not have to wear a coat inside their homes. 

You are such a lefty liberal loser indeed. Just how did you get this far in life with so little? You are truly an amazing person indeed. 😀

[taxme]

41 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Like I said, politics taints everything you think, it makes you incapable of being objective. 

You live in a never never land where anything you don't want to hear is just a lefty plot. You are so brainwashed by your right wing circle jerks its pathetic.

Oh, aren't we just such a nasty lefty liberal loser with not much to say except maybe to try and spread your own bull craof lies and deceit. 😀 

[Aristides]

15 minutes ago, taxme said:

Oh, aren't we just such a nasty lefty liberal loser with not much to say except maybe to try and spread your own bull craof lies and deceit. 😀 

Ya, you ignore all the measurements and data compiled by NASA satellites over decades and the scientists on the ground actually measuring rates of glacier melt and latch on to political hacks and snake oil salesmen with no scientific credentials like Marano. You never question their motives and sources because they are telling you exactly what you want to hear. Talk about gullible, you set new standards.

Edited January 3 by Aristides

[robosmith]

35 minutes ago, taxme said:

Why should anyone turn down their heat in their home especially in the winter time? Homeowners should be able to live in comfort and warmth in their homes during the winter season and not have to wear a coat inside their homes. 

You are such a lefty liberal loser indeed. Just how did you get this far in life with so little? You are truly an amazing person indeed. 😀

You have no idea what I have, but as usual you imagine you know things about which you haven't a CLUE. LMAO

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

If your lefty liberal politicians and the phony MSM can convince you enough that the sky is falling down, you would no doubt believe that lie and you would run and go hide under the bridge that you live under for cover. IMHO, i see you as nothing more than a mindless dummy. You have not produced any real proof that their is a real climate crisis going on. I want to see real facts and not bullshit coming from you. Just because there have been a few more floods and fires than usual does not indicate to me that we are in a climate crisis. I need to see some kind of a real climate change affecting Canada. What can you give me on that? 

The climate crisis is a political globalist game being played on suckers like you to try and convince dummies like you into  believing that if we do not stop driving fossil fuel vehicles we are all going to die. China and India are two countries that emit carbon emissions by the ton loads every year.

What you need to do, seeing that you are so concerned about climate change, is to go to those two countries and have a talk with their leaders about their huge amounts of carbon emissions that they are releasing into the air. 

Stop trying to preach to me about a climate crisis because i ain't listening to your bull, pardner. Why do you continue to try and brainwash me into believing your nonsense is beyond me. Give it up, stunned🤡.  

You are lying. I posted the evidence from nasa. It is fact. 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

Would you like to see the Canadian taxpayer's save tax dollars? Then the feds should just quit with their climate crisis nonsense. How much has Ottawa collected over the years from the carbon tax being applied on so may things? No doubt, countless millions or maybe even billions. Most of it no doubt is going into the government coffers to be spent on many other useless liberal socialist programs and agendas that do nothing for the taxpayer's of Canada. 

The majority of Canadians do not appear to be overly concerned about climate change. It is just frightened little children  like you that seems to show that you care. o, just what are you doing to help fight this so called climate crisis? Well? 

You are a real fanatical climate change nut job alright. 😛

Maybe turn off FOX news? It's got you out of touch with reality.

"72 per cent of Canadians surveyed said they are worried or very worried about climate change and 21 per cent said they were not very worried. Only seven per cent said they weren't worried about it at all."

 

[Rebound]

1 minute ago, Hodad said:

Maybe turn off FOX news? It's got you out of touch with reality.

"72 per cent of Canadians surveyed said they are worried or very worried about climate change and 21 per cent said they were not very worried. Only seven per cent said they weren't worried about it at all."

 

Wind, baby, wind! 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

You are lying. I posted the evidence from nasa. It is fact. 

But you didn't.  Sorry. 

You posted information from nasa that says the weather changed in the past. That does not prove change in the future nor the effect of that change.

And the problem is despite your fairy tale what actually happens if you're wrong is we destroy the world economy for nothing plunging billions into economic uncertainty and crisis and dooming our children to a much lower quality of life for nothing.  Basically everything YOU claim climate change will do unless we freak out and do the wrong thing now.

So no - it's not a case of  if we're wrong we've got something better anyway - if you're wrong we'll have crushed lives for nothing at all, with more deaths and suffering as gov'ts can not provide the services to prevent it.

If you are going to claim there is a catastrophe coming that justifies rising all that - then you better have some pretty serious research that provides accurate predictions for the future and a model that can be relied on to be relatively accurate.  And you better be able to actually show that work.

RIght now it's just "temps went up last few years - scary".  THat's not enough.  Temps will ALWAYS be going either up or down, they are NEVER going to stay the same, EVER.  And they frequenly go up for hundreds of years OR MORE and then go down for hundreds of years OR MORE and that's normal, so by itself that's not going to cut it.

[Nationalist]

4 hours ago, Rebound said:

Let’s try this?

If you’re wrong: Hundreds of millions of people die. 
 

If I’m wrong:  We’ve spent money building a lower-cost, more efficient energy infrastructure, which makes our nations’ industries more efficient, makes our economies stronger, and takes hundreds of billions of dollars from unstable, terrorist-funding, anti-American oil dictators in the Mideast.  
 

See? If I’m wrong, I’m still right.  

No. You're driving the cost of energy through the roof. You're just wrong and this chickenshit has to end.

Edited January 3 by Nationalist

[Nationalist]

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

The FACTS published in climate SCIENCE JOURNALS. 

That you have to ask, just reveals your IGNORANCE and refusal to LISTEN.

And also your inability to understand what's PUBLISHED.

Remember that pic of the UCSD Library? You might have one of those in YOUR TOWN. LMAO

Ohhh...you mean all those bought and paid for predictions...that never pan out.

Well why didn't you just say so.

Now I know you're wrong and dangerous. 

P1ss off.

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

To what end, just for the hell of it?

Your "truth" is whatever you want to hear, regardless of the source.

To what end? Millions upon millions throughout history have died as a result of lust for power and you as this...stupidity?

Really...just stop.

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

No. You're driving the cost of energy through the roof.

And that's just the start.  That drives the costs of food and goods production through the roof, which reduces the buying power of everyone, creates food insecurity and represses our economy.

And further it leads to higher costs for everything else, and the instability tends to keep invesment out of the economy. Which in turn always affects productivity and gdp per capita, which means people have less money at  a time of increased costs.

It's a disaster. It can turn back the quality of life for people by 100 years, and that always has very serious consequences.

THe left likes to pitch it as 'more efficient' but as we've already seen the opposite is true.

There will come a day when the tech is there to be greener and cleaner and do so more cost effectively than we produce power today. But that day is NOT here. ANd forcing it only brings chaos.

[Aristides]

8 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

To what end? Millions upon millions throughout history have died as a result of lust for power and you as this...stupidity?

Really...just stop.

So says the guy that hopes Ukraine and Gaza will be destroyed. Stop yourself. 

[Aristides]

18 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Ohhh...you mean all those bought and paid for predictions...that never pan out.

Well why didn't you just say so.

Now I know you're wrong and dangerous. 

P1ss off.

Actually they are panning out, that's why they are warning of a tipping point. You are too stupid to understand that there is a point where this will feed itself regardless of what we do. You are too ignorant to do any real research and just comfort yourself with opinions from know nothing hacks.

Edited January 3 by Aristides

[Rebound]

41 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

No. You're driving the cost of energy through the roof. You're just wrong and this chickenshit has to end.

Can you show me evidence that solar and wind power are more expensive than other forms of electricity generation? No, you cannot. That’s because they are the cheapest forms of electricity generation. The US Federal Energy Information Administration, under the DoE, produces an annual report which calculates the cost of electricity generation, which accounts for all factors including capital costs.

First, they estimate that between 2023 and 2028, about 2 gigabits of gas turbine generation capacity will be added to America’s electric grid, while 30 gigabits and 21 gigabits of wind and solar generation will be added. Zero nuclear, coal or other. And that’s because wind and solar are far less expensive, but, in some isolated cases, mostly due to distribution, gas turbine is more cost-effective to deploy.

The cost of coal works out to $90 per megawatt hour, nuclear is $71, hydro $57, onshore wind is $31 and solar is just $23.22. 

So, as usual, you’re completely FOS.

Source: https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/aeo/electricity_generation/pdf/AEO2023_LCOE_report.pdf

Edited January 3 by Rebound

[CdnFox]

17 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Can you show me evidence that solar and wind power are more expensive than other forms of electricity generation? No, you cannot. That’s because they are the cheapest forms of electricity generation.

Sure - easily done.  its 3 am and there's no wind. In december. How much does your power cost you now? Fact is you probably have to switch to diesel generators which you have to pay for whether  your using them or not.....

Pretending that wind or solar is the same as a constant on demand generating solution is childish.  When it's AVAILABLE its' cheap - but it's not always available and at this time we don't have any great ways to store the power. 

At best it's a suppliment for those times when it is available.  So in the end as part of an actual solution and not some fake half assed solution its really not that much cheaper. And wind does quite a bit of environmental damage.

IF we ever develop truly efficient and affordable energy storage then we can talk. Otherwise - not so much.

[Rebound]

17 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Sure - easily done.  its 3 am and there's no wind. In december. How much does your power cost you now? Fact is you probably have to switch to diesel generators which you have to pay for whether  your using them or not.....

Pretending that wind or solar is the same as a constant on demand generating solution is childish.  When it's AVAILABLE its' cheap - but it's not always available and at this time we don't have any great ways to store the power. 

At best it's a suppliment for those times when it is available.  So in the end as part of an actual solution and not some fake half assed solution its really not that much cheaper. And wind does quite a bit of environmental damage.

IF we ever develop truly efficient and affordable energy storage then we can talk. Otherwise - not so much.

If you weren’t a complete knucklehead, you would know some things:

First, you would know that power consumption is dramatically lower at night time than during the day.

Second, you would know that across a sufficiently large geographical area, there is always wind. I know that you’re terrible at math, but if you weren’t, you would understand that it is possible to perform a statistical analysis of wind flow and determine precisely how much maximum and minimum power generation you can attain with wind power. It’s not difficult. Turns out, there are a lot of very windy regions, especially in the American and Canadian plains. 

Third, you would know that wind and solar will not replace all forms of electricity distribution, and they don’t need to, in order to attain our goals. But we can put a massive dent in our fossil fuel use, which will kick the ass of those Arab warmongers in Iran.

The Department of Energy provides a running total of ALL electricity generation in the USA by Source. Guess what? Wind is fairly constant. Bear in mind — operators can turn windmills OFF whenever they want, because you cannot generate more electricity than you consume. That explains most of the variance of wind power.

If you want to actually learn something, take a look at this graph. Its’ fascinating.

https://www.eia.gov/electricity/gridmonitor/expanded-view/electric_overview/US48/US48/GenerationByEnergySource-4

Edited January 4 by Rebound

[CdnFox]

34 minutes ago, Rebound said:

If you weren’t a complete knucklehead, you would know some things:

First, you would know that power consumption is dramatically lower at night time than during the day.

Second, you would know that across a sufficiently large geographical area, there is always wind. I know that you’re terrible at math, but if you

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weren’t, you would understand that it is possible to perform a statistical analysis of wind flow and determine precisely how much maximum and minimum power generation you can attain with wind power. It’s not difficult. Turns out, there are a lot of very windy regions, especially in the American and Canadian plains. 

Third, you would know that wind and solar will not replace all forms of electricity distribution, and they don’t need to, in order to attain our goals. But we can put a massive dent in our fossil fuel use, which will kick the ass of those Arab warmongers in Iran.

The Department of Energy provides a running total of ALL electricity generation in the USA by Source. Guess what? Wind is fairly constant. Bear in mind — operators can turn windmills OFF whenever they want, because you cannot generate more electricity than you consume. That explains most of the variance of wind power.

If you want to actually learn something, take a look at this graph. Its’ fascinating.

https://www.eia.gov/electricity/gridmonitor/expanded-view/electric_overview/US48/US48/GenerationByEnergySource-4

 

Awwww muffin - you're getting worked up and making stupid statements trying desperately to defend the undefendable, I  know how you get when facts interrupt your echo chamber

No, power is not dramatically lower at night. Maybe 3 in the morning - but as california has unfortuantely discovered the need for power tends to peak just after sunset when everyone's home, everyone's airconditioner is on etc. That's why they're having brown outs and black outs trying to rely on solar power as much as they do.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/california-faces-summer-blackouts-from-climate-extremes/

The most precarious window for electricity supply shortages is early evenings, after the state’s robust solar power is no longer working. September is the most potentially problematic month in all of the years examined.

Sooowwwweeee - looks like you wrong again little guy  

And worse - evening and night time is when EV's will be charging and that's going to make it even worse as that tech gets adapted.

 

No, there is not 'sufficient wind' some where in the country at all times.  Sorry that's just not true.  And wind turbines do a LOT of ecological damage. So big nope on that front. Nice try tho ':)

 

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Third, you would know that wind and solar will not replace all forms of electricity distribution, and they don’t need to, in order to attain our goals.

They absolutely would need to substantially replace all carbon emitting forms of power generation and they don't.  And this is before electric cars become the norm.  As a suppliment to hydro or nukes then sure why not but then hydro and nukes would still be the primary sources of power.

45 minutes ago, Rebound said:

The Department of Energy provides a running total of ALL electricity generation in the USA by Source. Guess what? Wind is fairly constant. Bear in mind — operators can turn windmills OFF whenever they want, because you cannot generate more electricity than you consume. That explains most of the variance of wind power.

Your graph actually shows the problem, and why wind will not be able to produce our power. 

Think about it. Think about how power is needed and how it works.  If you STILL can't figure out the problem, i'll  explain it to you but i'm going to do a fair bit of pointing and laughing
 

I"m trying to be nice in my replies but honestly its pretty hard not to just chuckle at these childish responses.  And there is a reason why they are childish - they are so because you start with an answer and try to work your way back to a question and that ALWAYS makes for bad thinking.

Without a new form of energy storage wind and solar cannot possibly provide for more than a fraction of our power.

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

So says the guy that hopes Ukraine and Gaza will be destroyed. Stop yourself. 

Up yours.

Ukraine cannot win this war, and Gaza is getting off easy.