A Catastrophic Climate ‘Tipping Point’ Is Imminent

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

Look up youth and children climate anxiety. The deliberate working from "woke" politicians. The level of how dire things are. Kids see things literally, and I've spoken to some who literally feel their death will be imminent. Sounds like panic to me!

So you got nothing but anecdotal stories. AKA. BUPKIS.

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

How about leadership by example? If I'm pushing recycling, don't you think it would be best that I recycle?

How about carbon offsets like those in which Al Gore invests?

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

Being the type of leader who stresses to do as I say, vs do as I do, won't get you taken very seriously. Rightfully so, in my opinion.

An expert should always be taken more seriously than ^this OPINION.

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

I see it like this. My car is a fuel sipper, at best. I purchased it deliberately because of how little fuel it uses. I barely drive it in the summer, and use my bike.

I think this shaming I see politicians like Justin Trudeau push onto people, as he wants to "put a price on pollution", yet will routinely hop on private jets, for his many vacations. I don't understand how I'm to be shamed, when he clearly pollutes and wastes more than me without even trying.

How do you know how much Trudeau pollutes in the aggregate?

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The Conservatives accused Mr Trudeau of being "hypocritical" on environmental issues for using two planes - already a carbon-intensive mode of transport.

The Liberals say they bought carbon offsets for their tour emissions.

The Conservatives confirmed that they are not offsetting the emissions produced by the leader's tour and its single plane.

Other major parties - the NDP, the Liberals, the Bloc Québécois, the Greens - all say they are or will use carbon offsets.

 

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

Its deliberately divisive, vs doing the more common sense thing. Investing into greener initiatives, and incentivizing current ones. Once the green option is best on market, and makes financial sense, it will be adopted.

Shaming simply builds resent, and will push away many.

Shaming draws attention to long term costs which are given short shrift by those of you who conveniently IGNORE them.

[Legato]

54 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Do I have to repeat that again so you can understand it?

 

You usually do, mainly in caps with a dash of innuendo. So yes please go ahead.

[robosmith]

20 minutes ago, Legato said:

You usually do, mainly in caps with a dash of innuendo. So yes please go ahead.

 

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Investing in carbon reduction technologies to be used elsewhere.

Read it slowly this time. Be sure to underline the words you don't understand in your reply. LMAO

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

In most regions of the US, you're NOT free to do that. You will be denied PERMITS in states that have implemented good regulations.

Check out al lyour stars and pop heroes in Malibu sometime, hehe.

Too bad, so sad. Sucks to be you people.

Or like the good, auld, Pater used to say,

"If thine arm offend thee, cut it off!"

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

How would you "know" ^this BULLSHIT? You DON'T.

Welp - robotroll has spoken - you known NOTHING of this bullshit and never will.  Even if you do.  Which you don't. But you might. And he won't ask. but officially you now don't even if you did. Anything else you say might not be not untrue.

Hope we cleared that up for you.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

Shaming draws attention to long term costs which are given short shrift by those of you who conveniently IGNORE them.

So... shaming draws attention to it... and then causes people to ignore it.   And this is you plan to fight climate change.

Well  -  i'm sure all of those who called you stupid sure feel bad about it now.

[robosmith]

46 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Check out al lyour stars and pop heroes in Malibu sometime, hehe.

Too bad, so sad. Sucks to be you people.

Or like the good, auld, Pater used to say,

"If thine arm offend thee, cut it off!"

Too bad you have no evidence for ^this BULLSHIT.

Doubtful there is much, if any, flat flood plain land in Malibu since it's on the edge of a small sized mountain range.

It's really the mud slides that get you there, and the city government knows that. Of course there was probably a time when there was no city government to block unsafe building practices and those structures got grandfathered in.

Having considered investing in land there a long time ago, I am somewhat familiar with the topography. Not to mention the fact that I used to take leisure drives up the coast from Manhattan Beach to get burgers West of Malibu. Last time I went looking for that place, it was no more.

[Michael Hardner]

7 hours ago, robosmith said:

 

Engage to set the record straight for readers who have not made up their minds like the right wing parrots here.

If there's balkanization, they will see two groups. Clearly the chuds will be talking about non-reality. And the rest of us will be  respectfully discussing things.

[Nationalist]

8 hours ago, robosmith said:

Where is your non-existent proof that the climate is NOT warming at a record pace.

That's right, you HAVE NONE cause you don't even understand the basics of the science.

Are you even in denial about the historical record world wide high temperature set last summer?

I don't need to prove jack...Jack.

But if you wanna create inflation with dumb-ass ideas, you'd better be prepared to prove the cost is worth it.

Which you can't.

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

If there's balkanization, they will see two groups. Clearly the chuds will be talking about non-reality. And the rest of us will be  respectfully discussing things.

LOL _ uses 'chuds' and then talks about how he'll be 'respectfully' discussing things

I don't think you need to seperate into a different group - i think people can see you for what you are just fine as is  😮  But if you feel you need a safe space, sure.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

I don't need to prove jack...Jack.

But if you wanna create inflation with dumb-ass ideas, you'd better be prepared to prove the cost is worth it.

Which you can't.

It's been proven by the climate scientists, but you're unable to understand the science.

Not even smart enough to put your faith in the EXPERTS.

Spend a few years getting your PhD in climatology and then you'll have the beginnings of the expertise necessary to understand the EVIDENCE.

Instead you're foolish enough to believe ANYONE can school you on it HERE.

Or you could TRY by reading the peer reviewed climate science journals, but it's unlikely you have the smarts to even figure out what they say. 

So start by reading all the Scientific American articles and work your way up to the journal articles.

But we know you're too lazy cause you expect to be spoon fed here, even though you keep denying everything that's GIVEN TO YOU.

ONLY EXPERTS can give you real evidence. Duh.

The rest of can only point you to it.

[Nationalist]

9 hours ago, robosmith said:

It's been proven by the climate scientists, but you're unable to understand the science.

Not even smart enough to put your faith in the EXPERTS.

Spend a few years getting your PhD in climatology and then you'll have the beginnings of the expertise necessary to understand the EVIDENCE.

Instead you're foolish enough to believe ANYONE can school you on it HERE.

Or you could TRY by reading the peer reviewed climate science journals, but it's unlikely you have the smarts to even figure out what they say. 

So start by reading all the Scientific American articles and work your way up to the journal articles.

But we know you're too lazy cause you expect to be spoon fed here, even though you keep denying everything that's GIVEN TO YOU.

ONLY EXPERTS can give you real evidence. Duh.

The rest of can only point you to it.

Lol...ya sure.

The great synthesis report...

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/mar/19/what-is-the-ipcc-ar6-synthesis-report-and-why-does-it-matter

Which says...

"AAAHHH! WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE! Unless...of course...you all do exactly as we say."

Pfft...same old crap.

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Lol...ya sure.

The great synthesis report...

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/mar/19/what-is-the-ipcc-ar6-synthesis-report-and-why-does-it-matter

Which says...

"AAAHHH! WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE! Unless...of course...you all do exactly as we say."

Pfft...same old crap.

Your normal useless response. 

[Nationalist]

59 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Your normal useless response. 

To your normal impositions base on faulty data and guesses?

Yes.

[Aristides]

12 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

To your normal impositions base on faulty data and guesses?

Yes.

Decades of data collection and analysis by thousands of  scientists and you just blow it off because you don't want to hear it. Facts don't matter.  Faulty according to who, your know nothing internet "experts"?

 

I swear, the internet really is making a lot of people stupider. 

Edited January 2, 2024 by Aristides

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Decades of data collection and analysis by thousands of  scientists and you just blow it off because you don't want to hear it. Facts don't matter.  Faulty according to who, your know nothing internet "experts"?

 

I swear, the internet really is making a lot of people stupider. 

It has nothing to do with what I do or don't want to hear. Nobody cannot hear all this panic and fear mongering.

"AAAHHH! WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!"

But can anyone prove it? Nope. Hell these government funded "scientists" can only muster a definite maybe.

No...the bottom line to me is...if there is no proof of a crisis, then making an enemy of the global source of energy, is stooped as Hell. 

Frankly I think you climate cultists are ridiculous and need to be shut down.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Decades of data collection and analysis by thousands of  scientists and you just blow it off because you don't want to hear it. Facts don't matter.  Faulty according to who, your know nothing internet "experts"?

 

I swear, the internet really is making a lot of people stupider. 

Data is always open to interpretation and that's where we run into trouble i think.

Early on a wide number of predictions were made and then reported on (with spin of course) that made catastrophe sound imminent and unavoidable unless we took action by dates that have now already passed.  Further - there was a very obvious and huge effort to shut up any scientist who dissented.

Data is great, but the interpretation and then the reporting of the interpretation is always open to mistake, bias and fraud, and the data is not complete enough to make very precise predcitions (tho it's often portrayed that way).

All of that tends to create trust issues.  And this may hurt your feelings to hear - but the scientists might very well be entirely wrong.  It will hardly be the first time.

It is UNREASONABLE and childish to simply pretend that's not true.  It is foolhardy to simply blow people off and say "You're demonstrably valid concerns about the science make you a stupid person who we shouldn't listen to." 

Doing so simply guarantees that nothing substantial will happen with climate change. And it will be your fault and the fault of people like you

 

IF you feel the science is solid then discuss it. But i never see that - all i ever see is "the science which i will not present says i'm right and i expect you trust me on that".    No discussion, no mention of which science or what the science actually says or the methodolgy or anything that you'd normally expect to be discussed.  

Just "SHUT UP BECAUSE UNIDENTIFIED SCIENCE!!!!"

Doesn't really feel like you ACTUALLY care much about the issue. Sounds more like you care about your echo chamber.

[Aristides]

Just now, Nationalist said:

It has nothing to do with what I do or don't want to hear. Nobody cannot hear all this panic and fear mongering.

"AAAHHH! WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!"

But can anyone prove it? Nope. Hell these government funded "scientists" can only muster a definite maybe.

No...the bottom line to me is...if there is no proof of a crisis, then making an enemy of the global source of energy, is stooped as Hell. 

Frankly I think you climate cultists are ridiculous and need to be shut down.

Who collects your data and analyzes it? What are their qualifications other than a big mouth and an opinion?

It doesn't take more than a couple of brain cells to understand that if you pump billions of tons of  stored carbon into the atmosphere, the existing carbon cycle can't handle it. Tree dies and rots. New tree absorbs the carbon from rotting tree. All good. Now add the carbon from billions of trees that rotted millions of years ago, was stored in the earths crust and the existing carbon cycle won't be able to handle it. Not only that but we burned down over 18 million hectares of our existing forest just last year. Forest that is no longer able to absorb carbon and dumped a whole bunch more into the atmosphere when it burned. 

[Nationalist]

36 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Who collects your data and analyzes it? What are their qualifications other than a big mouth and an opinion?

It doesn't take more than a couple of brain cells to understand that if you pump billions of tons of  stored carbon into the atmosphere, the existing carbon cycle can't handle it. Tree dies and rots. New tree absorbs the carbon from rotting tree. All good. Now add the carbon from billions of trees that rotted millions of years ago, was stored in the earths crust and the existing carbon cycle won't be able to handle it. Not only that but we burned down over 18 million hectares of our existing forest just last year. Forest that is no longer able to absorb carbon and dumped a whole bunch more into the atmosphere when it burned. 

"AHHH! WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!"

Look...I have no doubt that our use of fossil fuels has produced a negative consequence. But...

A. Nobody has proven there is a crisis.

B. We could work toward less fossil fuel dependencies and maintain production and realistic prices.

[Aristides]

20 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

"AHHH! WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!"

Look...I have no doubt that our use of fossil fuels has produced a negative consequence. But...

A. Nobody has proven there is a crisis.

B. We could work toward less fossil fuel dependencies and maintain production and realistic prices.

They have proved there is a crisis, you just don't want to listen. You are so afraid they are right you can't bring yourself to believe it.

We are working toward less fossil fuel but not fast enough. But hey, if there is no crisis why bother to do anything? Right?

[CdnFox]

35 minutes ago, Aristides said:

They have proved there is a crisis, you just don't want to listen.

Allright - show it.  I hear stuff like that all the time but lay out the actual science, not just the newspaper articles claiming that's what the science says. Show us the crisis.

The reality when you look at it as near as i can tell its that the situation is fairly serious and we'll have to be ready to make changes in the coming decades but none are radical and none represent a 'crisis'. 

Even your claim that the fraser valley would be flooded eventually turned out not to be accurate - sure there'd be some flooding if in fact water went up that much but that's pretty easy to fix especially if we've got 100 years to do it.

So... show the crisis specifically so we can all look at the data.

[taxme]

On 12/29/2023 at 2:46 PM, Rebound said:

Earth will be just fine. But human life will not be.  
 

You said that Arctic ice is not melting. That is absolutely, provably false.  NASA has been using satellites to measure the minimum and maximum extents of Arctic ice for many decades. They’ve mapped it out. It is absolutely melting. You can see for yourself:

https://climate.nasa.gov

Human will do just fine as to whatever happens with the climate. By the time it gets to where the climate experts and scientists say it will get to in a hundred years, you and me will be long gone and forgotten. Stop allowing the MSM to scare you half to death all the time. The MSM is well known for it's exaggeration. Go have a coffee or beer and relax. 

Every winter, the Arctic ice freezes over and the ice replaces the open waters with more ice like it does every year. If some sea ice is less then what it use to be, it's no big deal to me. There is a place called Rocky Point in a city called Port Moody, BC where the sea water level has hardly risen at all. If it has, no one is talking about it yet. The Arctic ice will always be around no matter what. Maybe a bit smaller in size, but will still be there. Relax and chill out. 😇

[taxme]

On 12/29/2023 at 4:32 PM, Aristides said:

You parrot garbage from political hacks who have no background in science and somehow think you have a monopoly on the truth. You never question their motives because they are telling you what you want to hear. Al Gore is not a scientist either and An Inconvenient Truth was released 18 years ago. We have learned a lot since then but apparently you have learned nothing and are intent on remaining ignorant. 

You could be the one that is parroting the climate crisis nonsense yourself by listening to a bunch of hacks who like to pretend that they know something that may never happen all that much at all and you believe what the tell you. What background do you have that makes you feel like you no something about climate change? Where is your personal evidence? Al Gore full of it because everything he has predicted has not happened.  But Gore sure has made multi millions of dollars from his spreading of lies and bullshit about climate change. Why cannot people you see that Gore is just full of shit? So, what have you learned yourself that will not make you appear to be an ignoramous on climate change? Just asking. 

 

[taxme]

On 1/1/2024 at 10:20 AM, robosmith said:

Your ^SPECULATION is WORTHLESS in comparison to SCIENTISTS with PhDs and DECADES of EXPERIENCE in climate science. Duh

Have you even READ ANY climate science PEER REVIEWED JOURNALS? Or even Scientific American?

Maybe if you had, you would actually know something about the issue. But I doubt you'd even understand them.

I do not need a PhD to know when i see and read bullshit that come out of the lying mouths from people like Al Gore. All Gore's predictions have not happened yet. Remember that Gore once predicted that Miami would be under water years ago. And you still believe this lying fool, and others like him, who still spread false lies? Wake up yourself, fool.

As i have asked you already, where is the real proof that we are in a "man made" climate crisis? 

Website owner Marc Marano of Climate Depot makes a way more sense than the people that you listen too. Marano questions this so called man made climate crisis and exposes the lies and bullshit about climate change crisis. I will bet that you ahve not bothered to go to his website and read what Marc has to say? And why would people like Marano want to even try to deny that we are in a climate crisis situation just to try and make an ass of himself. 

As i have said already, i am not going to get myself all into a state of panic over something that may turn out to be not so much to worry about at all. Some scientists and experts even believe that we are in a cooling down stage instead. 

Hey, we never know, eh?  😇

[Aristides]

44 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Allright - show it.  I hear stuff like that all the time but lay out the actual science, not just the newspaper articles claiming that's what the science says. Show us the crisis.

The reality when you look at it as near as i can tell its that the situation is fairly serious and we'll have to be ready to make changes in the coming decades but none are radical and none represent a 'crisis'. 

Even your claim that the fraser valley would be flooded eventually turned out not to be accurate - sure there'd be some flooding if in fact water went up that much but that's pretty easy to fix especially if we've got 100 years to do it.

So... show the crisis specifically so we can all look at the data.

It has been laid out but hey, smoking doesn't give you cancer until you get it. Right?

There are sections between Abbotsford and Chilliwack that are less than 1M above sea level if you look at that map I linked.  That flood plain extends all along the Nooksack river to the ocean at Ferndale WA. The only reason it doesn't flood regularly  now  is because of dikes and pumping stations.  49 KM of dikes and 39 pump stations keep Richmond and the 230,000 people who live there from being flooded.

Do we have 100 years? The time scale of the predictions given 18 years ago in An Inconvenient Truth turned out to be premature but now data is showing an acceleration and one can reasonably expect it will accelerate more as the planet warms even more. More rapid ice melt and increase thermal expansion of oceans. That's what a tipping point is and why scientists are alarmed.