Federal Dental Insurance Care Scheme

[August1991]

On 12/18/2023 at 4:09 PM, herbie said:

Because it's a matter of Health and in Canada that means "the State" is involved. And because of that it includes everyone not excludes some.

 & You made the 'why should I pay for you' and verified what I posted!

Disagree.  Canada is a federal state

1. Health is better organised at the provincial level.

2. Dental care is not a problem of health.

 

[herbie]

57 minutes ago, August1991 said:

2. Dental care is not a problem of health.

And you are one of the very few that say so. I mean, what would all the Dentists know anyway, right? [/s]

[August1991]

6 minutes ago, herbie said:

And you are one of the very few that say so. I mean, what would all the Dentists know anyway, right? [/s]

Dentists?

Of course they want to have more insured clients.

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Tim Hortons, what do they know about donuts.  

[OftenWrong]

20 hours ago, blackbird said:

CTV just reported doctors on the news saying that the healthcare system is in a very unsatisfactory condition.  There are terrible staff shortages and long waiting times.  This is not acceptable.  Yet the Liberals and NDP are pushing ahead with a dental care plan while they don't even fund the health care system adequately and can't seem to manage it effectively.

A man just died because he required urgent heart surgery and it would have been two more weeks before he could get it.  That is just one example of thousands of disasters going on.

It's been getting worse since Covid, but was already on the brink of collapse before then. Most people don't realize how ineffective and broken the health care system is. There is a shortage of medical professionals, but no shortage of hospital administrators (whom are paid top dollar) and government bureaucrats.

This is becoming more and more prevalent:

Medical clinic set to close due to physician shortage

Walk-in clinics have also disappears in my town.

This impacts us in many ways, especially as the ER becomes the only place for thousands of Canadians to get health care. Then we hear the administrators cry "We are overwhelmed", and government chivatos respond by telling YOU to stay home.

[OftenWrong]

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But hey, whatever works for you people. Keep voting in WEF agenda-driven liberal governments. Keep sending billions to keep wars going in far away lands.

You may die of undetected terminal illness, but you'll have nice teeth.

[Michael Hardner]

Poor people will now get dental care, but the WEF is to blame... ?

[OftenWrong]

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Poor people will now get dental care, but the WEF is to blame... ?

Is actually just expressing my doubt that the feds can pull it off. As with health care, insurance companies and litigation rule the day. Hence why they have administrative bloat, and why the more money we pour in does not equate to useful outcomes at the front line.

Dental care is a good idea and should be part of a civilized society. How we do that is what is being questioned, not whether it's good or not.

Enjoy your day, chuckles.   ?

[blackbird]

19 hours ago, herbie said:

Can't do both, eh?

Two things at once, why that's humanly impossible!

Good Conservative thinking.

Surprise! The government can't provide two things at once.  The won't fund a public health system properly and now are adding another thing, dental care.  You can be sure that won't be funded or managed properly either.   Just like the Canadian Forces are being completely underfunded and understaffed.   Has nothing to do with conservatives.  All this Socialism, welfare state, is being provided by the liberals and left, or at least they are trying.  The ideology is spend the money and don't worry about the debt or how Canadians are going to pay for it.  The trouble is they don't actually spend the money required.  Just promise it and provide it at least give the appearance. 

At least if one is going to promise something to someone, complete the deal and actually provide what is promised or get out of the way and let people who will do things honestly run the government.

Do you even know how the system works?  I doubt it.

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Poor people will now get dental care, but the WEF is to blame... ?

You haven't figured it out.  Globalists all believe that government is the answer to everything;  more government, more bureaucracy, more taxes, more control in everyone's life.  Globalist believe in more power to Big Brother.  They want to turn humanity into a kind of top down controlled assembly line of people.  They will decide how many and who should live and under what conditions.  They are planning on building a one-world utopia.

[blackbird]

Why get educated and get a profession, occupation, or trade?   Why work, and why manage your money when Big Brother will take care of it all and provide everything?

Some tent encampments are now taking the local governments to court to demand better services such as electrical outlets, garbage cleanup, toilets, etc. etc.  Soon they will have their own municipal governments and become incorporated.

Edited December 20, 2023 by blackbird

[herbie]

18 hours ago, August1991 said:

Tim Hortons, what do they know about donuts.  

something I can 100% agree with

5 hours ago, blackbird said:

You haven't figured it out

No, you haven't figured it out. You want to stand up for the Divine Right of Insurance Companies to profit from those that can afford their services. As you are not a Monarch or one of the ultra-rich, you've been brainwashed to work against your on interests.

6 hours ago, blackbird said:

The government can't provide two things at once.

No, it can't, When the USA fought a war singlehanded, desegregated and managed to go to the Moon all at the same time everything soon fell apart into chaos, proof that the natural Order of Lords and vassals needed to be restored, the middle class crushed.

5 hours ago, blackbird said:

Why get educated and get a profession, occupation, or trade?   Why work, and why manage your money when Big Brother will take care of it all and provide everything?

Why go to work for as little benefit as possible when you deserve as much as possible? Why not pretend people would just sit on their ass drooling if somebody else didn't make them do what they want them to? The socially necessary Great Leader...

You've been great at providing examples of how 50 years or Conservative/Republican ideology has waged war on the middle class by distracting them as to who the elites actually are, what democracy actually is and how it works, fearing anything other than their agenda as a 1950s Red Menace and consistently voting against your own interest by pointing out how it will cost you and not them money, as you pay all the taxes now and they don't.

 

[eyeball]

22 hours ago, August1991 said:

Tim Hortons, what do they know about donuts.  

More than they know about coffee.

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[herbie]

33 minutes ago, eyeball said:

More than they know about coffee.

Another statement I can agree with. They serve it at 300 degrees so it can wash the half-cooked donut guck down your throat in sort of a reverse gag reflex.
We used to get our Timmie's sausage & egg on biscuitr, cross the street to the A&W drive thru for coffee on our road trips.

Edited December 21, 2023 by herbie

[August1991]

22 hours ago, eyeball said:

More than they know about coffee.

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What did Tim Horton know about coffee?

Eyeball, I was being ironic.

Tim Horton was a hockey player. He knew nothing about donuts or coffee.

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Bureaucrats in Ottawa know nothing about dental care in Quebec.

Trust me.

[eyeball]

On 12/21/2023 at 4:33 PM, August1991 said:

Tim Horton was a hockey player. He knew nothing about donuts or coffee.

Yes but Tim Hortons wasn't a hockey player. If Mr Horton actually knew anything about coffee he never would have let Hortons put his name to it.

On 12/21/2023 at 4:33 PM, August1991 said:

Bureaucrats in Ottawa know nothing about dental care in Quebec.

Trust me.

I trust you there. Too bad bureaucrats don't come like coffees - in better qualities.  I think no matter where you go in Canada the quality of our bureaucrats are comparable to Tim Hortons coffee. 

Canadians deserve Starbucks given the bucks we shell out.

[August1991]

On 12/28/2023 at 7:12 PM, eyeball said:

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I trust you there. Too bad bureaucrats don't come like coffees - in better qualities.  I think no matter where you go in Canada the quality of our bureaucrats are comparable to Tim Hortons coffee. 

Canadians deserve Starbucks given the bucks we shell out.

IMHO, Canada's so-called federal heallh insurance scheme was provincial.

Romney was correct. Obama was wrong.

 

[August1991]

On 12/28/2023 at 7:12 PM, eyeball said:

Yes but Tim Hortons wasn't a hockey player....

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Years ago, a friend said that that it should have a crashed Pantera as a symbol.

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This dental is a reach too far.

Edited January 2, 2024 by August1991

[eyeball]

13 hours ago, August1991 said:

This dental is a reach too far.

I don't care, it'll be of great benefit for millions.  Considering how much Canada pays out in corporate welfare it hardly reaches very far at all, especially in light of how long its taken Canada to catch up with many of it peers who rolled dentalcare into healthcare decades ago.

$17 billion per year goes to corporate welfare according to the Fraser Institute.

Dental care will cost 4.4 billion per year. 

[August1991]

On 1/2/2024 at 2:35 PM, eyeball said:

I don't care, it'll be of great benefit for millions.  Considering how much Canada pays out in corporate welfare it hardly reaches very far at all...

Disagree.

By your logic, we could make Canada into another Venezuela.

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Disagree.

With what, the benefits or the Fraser Institute?

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By your logic, we could make Canada into another Venezuela.

Why on Earth would we want to do that?

[August1991]

Eyeball,

This is a potential Venezuela/Argentina disaster. Canada is a good country - let's not screw it up.

1. Such schemes should be provincial, local. Federal bureaucrats in Ottawa know nothing about local dental care issues.

2. Dental care? Where do you draw the line between what an individual pays and what the State pays? 

[eyeball]

On 2/13/2024 at 11:12 PM, August1991 said:

This is a potential Venezuela/Argentina disaster. Canada is a good country - let's not screw it up.

Probably too late for that. We're well into the process as we speak.

On 2/13/2024 at 11:12 PM, August1991 said:

1. Such schemes should be provincial, local. Federal bureaucrats in Ottawa know nothing about local dental care issues.

I know, just like fisheries.

On 2/13/2024 at 11:12 PM, August1991 said:

2. Dental care? Where do you draw the line between what an individual pays and what the State pays? 

The very same place healthcare is and for the very same reason....decades and decades ago.

[August1991]

On 2/15/2024 at 7:31 PM, eyeball said:

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The very same place healthcare is and for the very same reason....decades and decades ago.

Eyeball, I have no objection to collective (single-payer, State) healthcare insurance.

1. I reckon that local authorities (eg. provincial bureaucrats) are better at running such schemes.

2. Health insurance? Wtf? Health costs are either pregnant women or normal people about to die.

3. But some people have "problems". and they are very costly. In the case of health care, I reckon local bureaucrats know the situation.

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All things considered, I like the Quebec/German health system.

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But as to such state dental care insurance, I strongly disagree.

 

Edited February 17, 2024 by August1991

[eyeball]

46 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Health insurance? Wtf? Health costs are either pregnant women or normal people about to die.

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But as to such state dental care insurance, I strongly disagree.

I'm not surprised given the low regard/expectations you appear to have for healthcare.

[August1991]

12 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'm not surprised given the low regard/expectations you appear to have for healthcare.

In most cases, the greatest cost to health care is pregnant women - and when older people die.

Imagine a health care system as a car warranty: the car imposes costs (pregnancy) or stops.

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Economists refer to moral hazard, and adverse selection.