Israel Invites Media to Inspect Hamas' Terror Equipment

[robosmith]

On 11/25/2023 at 10:31 PM, Nationalist said:

Successfully. 

Confusion ^abounds.

You were UNSUCCESSFUL at finding a post YOU QUOTED and FORGOT ABOUT. LMAO

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

I'm pretty concerned about the undue amount of influence they're able to exert on our governments to further their own interests.  Do you believe your shot at being like them should include having the same chance to influence the government as they do?  This isn't about the distribution of wealth its about the distribution of power. You figure the 1% earned their wealth by simply rolling up their sleeves, sharpening their pencils and cutting coupons to get ahead?

Richest 1% bag nearly twice as much wealth as the rest of the world put together over the past two years

https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/richest-1-bag-nearly-twice-much-wealth-rest-world-put-together-over-past-two-years#:~:text=%2442 trillion of new wealth,the top 1 percent bracket.

It's all so completely unsustainable how everyone taking-their-shot is from an environmental perspective.

Have you got grandkids?

If you're talking about globalist a$$holes then I'll agree that they need to be stopped.

Your problem is that not all of the 1% is like that. I personally know people from that group and they are nowhere near those freaks. 

Edited November 28, 2023 by Deluge

[WestCanMan]

On 11/25/2023 at 6:37 PM, Hodad said:

Some of us are highly educated and have those words, phrases and concepts as part of our operational vocabulary. If you need a definition of recency bias because it's a "shiny new word" to you, just go look it up.And you start a post with "leftwards" (because you people apparently can't have a conversation without childish nicknames) and end by pre-complaining about "sandbox insults." You're a real piece of work. Shoddy work, but still...

And yet you still used the words wrong, so whatever.

If it was a case of recency bias then they'd be assigning more weight to recent events, not older ones. Just learn that for future reference, I don't really care what you do.

 

 

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Oh, and I guess we have an answer to this question:

"B. Are you lying or wildly misinformed about the revised death toll for the hospital explosion? It wasn't revised TO thirty, it was revised BY thirty.

 

That's unfortunate, 30 would be better than 470, but it was still a Hamas rocket.

[Hodad]

38 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

And yet you still used the words wrong, so whatever.

If it was a case of recency bias then they'd be assigning more weight to recent events, not older ones. Just learn that for future reference, I don't really care what you do.

 

 

That's unfortunate, 30 would be better than 470, but it was still a Hamas rocket.

?‍♂️No, I used recency bias exactly correctly to contrast the point-in-time Hamas attack with the ongoing Israeli response. You folks were complaining about the CURRENT volume of condemnation of Israel's killing relative to Hamas. I explained why. The alarming videos and headlines that are more recent naturally consume more of the mental and emotional energy of the audience. The focus of conversation naturally shifts. I'll quote myself for your benefit:

"That empathy, sympathy and support does get eroded quickly as the retaliation blows up civilians day after day. What we're actually observing is an example of recency bias. We can all look at what Hamas did in October and say that was wrong. But what the Israelis are currently doing is active and ongoing--they are killing civilians day after day--so of course the emotional support shifts very quickly to STOP THE KILLING."

I appreciate that you went and looked it up and everything. You got the definition right. Good on you. But now you have to actually apply it to the conversation. 

And again, kudos for acknowledging the misinformation on the revised death toll. Progress.

[Nationalist]

18 hours ago, robosmith said:

Confusion ^abounds.

You were UNSUCCESSFUL at finding a post YOU QUOTED and FORGOT ABOUT. LMAO

Man you're weird.

[Rebound]

16 hours ago, Hodad said:

?‍♂️No, I used recency bias exactly correctly to contrast the point-in-time Hamas attack with the ongoing Israeli response. You folks were complaining about the CURRENT volume of condemnation of Israel's killing relative to Hamas. I explained why. The alarming videos and headlines that are more recent naturally consume more of the mental and emotional energy of the audience. The focus of conversation naturally shifts. I'll quote myself for your benefit:

"That empathy, sympathy and support does get eroded quickly as the retaliation blows up civilians day after day. What we're actually observing is an example of recency bias. We can all look at what Hamas did in October and say that was wrong. But what the Israelis are currently doing is active and ongoing--they are killing civilians day after day--so of course the emotional support shifts very quickly to STOP THE KILLING."

I appreciate that you went and looked it up and everything. You got the definition right. Good on you. But now you have to actually apply it to the conversation. 

And again, kudos for acknowledging the misinformation on the revised death toll. Progress.

Just FYI, I want you to learn this one fact:

If you are ever warned by a foreign country that you need to immediately evacuate the city you’re in because of an imminent military invasion, LEAVE.  
 

Israel warned the “poor innocent civilians” for two full weeks that they needed to evacuate North Gaza. You can easily confirm this.  Hamas ordered civilians to remain, because Hamas wanted to maximize Palestinian civilian deaths. Hamas does nothing to defend Palestinian civilians. This is a fact. 
 

I want to point out one more fact:

Every Hamas fighter Israel kills is a civilian. You can easily confirm this. There is no Hamas military. They do not wear uniforms. They have no military bases; it’s ALL civilian. 
 

I want to point out one last fact:

The “civilian death figures” reported by the media have one source only: Hamas. Why do you trust Hamas to tell you the truth? 

Edited November 29, 2023 by Rebound

[Deluge]

On 11/27/2023 at 8:40 AM, Hodad said:

You can't hide your support for Hamas. You keep decrying Hamas, so you must REALLY love them. Have you officially signed up? You can deny it, but it will only mean you support them even more. 

(This is what it feels like to read your childish posts.)

You're just pissed off that you can't find more people to get behind your hate-filled diatribes. You THINK you appear sophisticated when you speak about the US and its allies, but it's obvious that you can't stand this country, and you absolutely HATE Israel. 

My question is why? 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

Just FYI, I want you to learn this one fact:

If you are ever warned by a foreign country that you need to immediately evacuate the city you’re in because of an imminent military invasion, LEAVE.  

Israel warned the “poor innocent civilians” for two full weeks that they needed to evacuate North Gaza. You can easily confirm this.  Hamas ordered civilians to remain, because Hamas wanted to maximize Palestinian civilian deaths. Hamas does nothing to defend Palestinian civilians. This is a fact. 

That seems like good advice. Obviously it's tremendously difficult (basically impossible) to evacuate an area like that, but one could say at least warning was given.

But then Israel conducts airstrikes on the very evacuation routes they told the fleeing people to take. They strike UN-run refugee camps and schools.

Those kinds of things start to feel like there is no fair warning or good faith effort. Best case scenario is extreme carelessness or indifference. Worst case is that there is a deliberate effort to terrorize people and create a sense that there is no safe place and no right answers. 

To that point, Israel told everybody to leave North Gaza, to flee to the south. Many did. Now they're dropping leaflets on South Gaza and expanding the offensive there. 

 

In totality of all that, exercise some empathy. Put yourself in the shoes of a Palestinian refugee. You're in an area that has been blockaded for years, the drive you out of your makeshift home in the north. You take your family and flee. People are bombed on the "safe" evacuation routes. People are bombed in recognized shelters. And now they tell you they are going to attack the south where they told you to go.. Don't you think it starts to feel like Israel is just going to kill you no matter where you are or what you do? 

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I want to point out one more fact:

Every Hamas fighter Israel kills is a civilian. You can easily confirm this. There is no Hamas military. They do not wear uniforms. They have no military bases; it’s ALL civilian. 
 

That's a bit disingenuous. Yes, it's true that there is no Palestinian state, so there is no legal military. But also, the overwhelming majority of people there are not Hamas, let alone Hamas fighters. They are simply families with old people and children trying to live under decades-long tragic circumstances. That's a real-world distinction and shouldn't be dismissed or plastered over with legal hand waving. 

I'm also well aware that Hamas uses vile tactics to exploit these facts. I'm aware that they hide among and behind civilians. The trouble is that outside of the ticking-bomb situation--an immediate threat--I expect "the good guys" to act like good guys. Metaphorically (or perhaps even literally) if a Hamas terrorist holds up a baby as a shield, I expect the good guys to find another way.

Hamas thinks that Israel is too good, and decent and civilized to shoot the baby. That's the one thing I want Hamas to be right about. Right now, Israel is just shooting the baby and hoping they get the terrorist too.

 

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I want to point out one last fact:

The “civilian death figures” reported by the media have one source only: Hamas. Why do you trust Hamas to tell you the truth? 

Historically, they have been a reliable source with a good track record. But frankly there aren't a lot of options. If you see piles of bodies (which we do) and you wonder how many there are (which we do) and there is only one organization counting them in a war zone, that's the only real number you have. 

 

Look, there's no question that this is a complex situation. Strategically, Hamas has put Israel in a bind--that was the intention. If Israel does nothing/not enough in response to the October 7 attack Israelis lose faith in the hardline government. If Israel reacts with a disproportionate response (as they are currently doing) then they will lose a meaningful amount of international support and global sentiment and sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians will increase. It's a win-win for Hamas, and a lose-lose for Israel. 

Frankly, I think Israel is making all the wrong decisions now, morally, militarily and politically. They are losing support. And even if they somehow eradicate Hamas, they aren't going to eliminate the threat of terrorism. To the contrary, the massive collateral damage they are doing is going to absolutely guarantee generations of new terrorists. All those brothers and sons and cousins and nephews etc. who watched Israel destroy cities and murder innocents will eventually fight back. They will think of themselves as freedom fighters, not terrorists, and because the world is watching what Israel is doing right now, a lot more of the global community will see it that way too. 

What I actually think they should be do is to take advantage of the moment. End the blockade and the military action as leverage to force a two-state solution on their terms, force an election in new Palestine and give the Palestinian people a voice. Let them decide right now if they want their own state with a chance at real self governance, or whether they want to fight to the bitter end with Hamas as stateless refugees. 

[Hodad]

16 minutes ago, Deluge said:

You're just pissed off that you can't find more people to get behind your hate-filled diatribes. You THINK you appear sophisticated when you speak about the US and its allies, but it's obvious that you can't stand this country, and you absolutely HATE Israel. 

My question is why? 

Is that what your Hamas handlers told you to say? Tell me you love Hamas without telling me you love Hamas! You can pretend all you want, but we know your denials and deflection and projections are just ways of advancing your anti-Israel agenda. 

(Conversations are like most things in life: you get out of them what you put in. If you persist in saying insane and insanely stupid shit, that's what you're likely to get back. Do better.)

Edited November 29, 2023 by Hodad

[Deluge]

10 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Is that what...

Answer the question, please.

[Hodad]

29 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Answer the question, please.

It's obvious you fantasize about having a threesome with a Hamas terrorist and a gorilla. Why? 

Just answer the question, please? Why do you have that fantasy?

Keep saying stupid shit. It will beget more of the same. 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Man you're weird.

Robotop goes WWWZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz

[Deluge]

3 hours ago, Hodad said:

It's obvious you fantasize about having a threesome with a Hamas terrorist and a gorilla. Why? 

Just answer the question, please? Why do you have that fantasy?

Keep saying stupid shit. It will beget more of the same. 

I asked you first. 

Don't be a pu$$y. 

[Hodad]

10 minutes ago, Deluge said:

I asked you first. 

Don't be a pu$$y. 

If you SAY you asked me first, it REALLY MEANS you asked me second, obviously!

When you stop trolling, you can have a real conversation.

[Deluge]

On 11/22/2023 at 12:51 PM, eyeball said:

Not when you realize Israel supported and encouraged the development of Hamas. You're just left wondering wtf Israel was thinking.

Of course it was thinking about its fear of the left wing at the time and as a result lost its way even farther than before.

That's bullshit. Hamas was founded in 1987 by terrorist Sheik Ahmed Yassin of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood and it has been dedicated to the destruction of Israel ever since.

Traitors are the only outsiders who could help feed Hamas' bloodlust. 

[Deluge]

6 minutes ago, Hodad said:

If you SAY you asked me first, it REALLY MEANS you asked me second, obviously!

When you stop trolling, you can have a real conversation.

You're idea of a "real conversation" is 100% agreement with radical left-wing talking points. 

YOUR side is on Hamas' side. That's what this boils down to. It's nothing more, nothing less. 

[Hodad]

4 minutes ago, Deluge said:

You're idea of a "real conversation" is 100% agreement with radical left-wing talking points. 

YOUR side is on Hamas' side. That's what this boils down to. It's nothing more, nothing less. 

We get it. You are the #1 Hamas supporter. Stop trying to convince us. Your denials confirm it. Your deflections confirm it. There is literally nothing you can say that won't mean you support Hamas.

Because that's just how it works in the crazy-person logic that you've deployed here.

[CdnFox]

Just now, Hodad said:

We get it. You are the #1 Hamas supporter. Stop trying to convince us. Your denials confirm it. Your deflections confirm it. There is literally nothing you can say that won't mean you support Hamas.

Because that's just how it works in the crazy-person logic that you've deployed here.

And that, kids, is what the left wing looks like.

Hodad isn't interested in discussing the facts, he never is. And he won't engage with anyone who insists that he address the facts.

Instead we get this kind of gibberish.

And they wonder why the left is quickly losing the respect of the people.

[Deluge]

17 hours ago, Hodad said:

We get it. You are the #1 Hamas supporter.

Yes you are, but you're preaching to the choir. We already know that you and Hamas are emotionally connected. 

Your next step, of course, is to get in front of your mirror and repeat that same phrase.

[Deluge]

On 11/23/2023 at 11:45 AM, Hodad said:

The accusations in this thread are specifically that American liberals are anti-semitic supporters of Hamas. You come in with examples of "our most prominent voices" that are:

A. Not American liberals

B. Not prominent voices -- I suspect most people here have never heard of them at all

C. They were broadly condemned, even fired

So I have to wonder what your point is. What is it? It's it that some people in the world are anti-semitic? Yeah, of course they are. Just like some are islamaphobic, Christophobic and whatever else. That goes without saying.

And it is utterly baffling that you are acting like people didn't condemn Hamas. That's lunacy. Condemnation of Hamas and vivid descriptions of the evil atrocities was front page of every media outlet in the Western world for days and days. Wall -to-wall coverage of the murder and terror wrought upon civilians--just people trying to live their lives. 

Israel had everyone's sympathy and support. Then, as they ramped up their response we saw Israel raining down death and terror upon different civilians who were also just trying to live their lives. For a while support remained strong--collateral damage is part of war. Accidents happen. But as that kept happening and kept happening and kept happening it starts to look like they aren't accidents, or that the retaliation was being prosecuted with a level of carelessness tantamount to intentionality. Many of the same people who were appalled at the actions of Hamas against civilians grew increasingly appalled at Israel for the ongoing operation and the suffering of civilians.

Suddenly there are protests not in support of Hamas (that is a perverse accusation) but in support of a cease fire. The message is that what Israel is doing isn't conscionable or effective. This tactic isn't advertising. Find another way forward. 

 

[Deluge]

Hamas's greatest ally in the West is the democrat party. 

Oh sure, they'll never admit it publicly, but when you take a moment to really look at what these degenerates are saying, it becomes obvious. 

Take the board's leading pseudo-intellectual, Hodad. This degenerate can speak out of both sides of his mouth all day long and not even flinch. One side is anti-Israel/pro-Hamas, and the other side is anti-Conservative. It's really quite comical when you think about it. lol

[eyeball]

19 hours ago, Deluge said:

That's bullshit. Hamas was founded in 1987 by terrorist Sheik Ahmed Yassin of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood and it has been dedicated to the destruction of Israel ever since.

Sure it was founded by him but hard-boiled right-wing Israelis thought they saw an opportunity to drive an ideological wedge into Palestine and so they supported the development of Hamas.

It's been getting a face full of blowback ever since.

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Sure it was founded by him but hard-boiled right-wing Israelis thought they saw an opportunity to drive an ideological wedge into Palestine and so they supported the development of Hamas.

It's been getting a face full of blowback ever since.

Nope. Hard-boiled LEFT-WING Israelis helped that along if any Israelis did such a thing in the first place. No true Israeli is going to help a Muslim terrorist organization along unless he hates his country. And since hating your own country is something democrats/leftists excel at, YOU are the source of their inspiration. 

Edited November 30, 2023 by Deluge

[eyeball]

8 hours ago, Deluge said:

Nope. Hard-boiled LEFT-WING Israelis helped that along if any Israelis did such a thing in the first place.

BLOWBACK: HOW ISRAEL WENT FROM HELPING CREATE HAMAS TO BOMBING IT

This isn’t a conspiracy theory. Listen to former Israeli officials such as Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a “counterweight” to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as “a creature of Israel.”)

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

8 hours ago, Deluge said:

No true Israeli is going to help a Muslim terrorist organization along unless he hates his country. And since hating your own country is something democrats/leftists excel at, YOU are the source of their inspiration. 

Sure they will if they hate/fear the left even more than anything else. How far are you willing to go?

This right-wing c̶u̶n̶t̶ hero went the extra mile and saw fit to assassinate Israel's left-wing Prime Minister Rabin for negotiating a peace with left-wing Palestinans. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Yigal_Amir_Amir,_November_1995_(FL45917256).jpg

Edited December 1, 2023 by eyeball

[robosmith]

On 11/29/2023 at 5:04 AM, Nationalist said:

Man you're weird.

You don't want to answer the questions and continue to DEFLECT to prove that.