Pro Hamas LGBYQers

[SpankyMcFarland]

7 hours ago, reason10 said:

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"From the river to the sea" simply means all Jews will be exterminated.

Seig Heil.

And what does it mean when Israelis say something similar, given that they have done it already? It’s not an aspiration for them. 

[Queenmandy85]

The LGBTQ community is not a monolith. It encompasses socialists, liberals, conservatives, marxist, moslems, jews, catholics, atheists, hindus, buddhists, quakers, electricians, MP's, law enforcement, US Navy SEALs. 

A few intellectually challenged students think it is appropriate to make light of tragedy while cross dressing, is only that. It does not mean this kind of behaviour is indicative of anyone else but themselves. It is no different than the claim that the LGBTQ is somehow tied to the Democratic Party.

 

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

This is my point and I'm sticking to it: "Of course LGBTQ people can care about devout Muslims, Jews, and Christians - especially the innocent ones who bear the violence of war.  I guess that's confusing to people who only see enemies and allies in the world." 

They're people who just committed a terrorist attack. Sympathy shouldn't come so easily.

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They can also support emancipation for a people denied their country even if that country oppresses them.

The 1948 claim is completely bogus.

Pakistan kicked out ten million people and butchered 1M of them in 1947 when their nation was formed the same way Israel was. There are no muslims talking about 'a right to return for Sikhs and Hindus'. For them to be feeling a genocidal rage for 'the suffering of the Palestinians', when almost none of them died, is next-level bigotry, and hypocrisy on an unimaginable scale. 

[WestCanMan]

TBH, this isn't a question of whether LGBTQ have a right to care, it's about how stupid they are for doing it. When gays get killed those guys love it. 

[reason10]

13 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Yes that's an odious term but this is a discussion board not a board for goofy videos.

Of course LGBTQ people can care about devout Muslims, Jews, and Christians - especially the innocent ones who bear the violence of war.  I guess that's confusing to people who only see enemies and allies in the world.

It's possible to empathize with people who are intolerant to you, but I can't teach such matters of the heart.  I can only point it out, it's up to you to accept it.

This is supposed to be a discussion board, but goofy trolls like you mess up any hint of intelligent discussion.

 

Queers for Muslims equal queers thrown off tall buildings by Muslims. Are you REALLY so fugging STUPID that you don't understand that concept?

[reason10]

8 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

And what does it mean when Israelis say something similar, given that they have done it already? It’s not an aspiration for them. 

Israelis have NEVER said anything to that effect, nor have they EVER engaged in genocide.

You REALLY need to read a history book, son. There is not now nor was there EVER such a country as Palestine. The land currently occupied by Israel (which would probably fit six times in New Jersey) was originally owned by Great Britain. That country gave that small piece of land to Israel, and the rag heads have been trying to take it and kill all Jews ever since.

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

And what does it mean when Israelis say something similar, given that they have done it already? It’s not an aspiration for them. 

Ahhh whataboutism instead of addressing the question. Classic liberal  

[SpankyMcFarland]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Ahhh whataboutism instead of addressing the question. Classic liberal  

And you didn’t answer mine BTW. Yes, I understand how people can be offended by that slogan and I would never say it myself. But in the end it’s a slogan, not facts on the ground. Palestine does not exist as a state - that is the more offensive thing, I think. Actions matter more than words in my book. 

And I prefer whataboutery. Whataboutism is such an ugly, clumsy word. It starts and peters out. There’s no rhythm to it. 

 

Edited November 9, 2023 by SpankyMcFarland

[SpankyMcFarland]

14 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Pakistan kicked out ten million people and butchered 1M of them in 1947 when their nation was formed the same way Israel was. There are no muslims talking about 'a right to return for Sikhs and Hindus'. For them to be feeling a genocidal rage for 'the suffering of the Palestinians', when almost none of them died, is next-level bigotry, and hypocrisy on an unimaginable scale. 

The slaughter and exodus went both ways across that new border. Millions were driven from their homes. And there are Hindus today in Canada who will make anything Islamophobic said on a campus seem utterly harmless by comparison. 

Edited November 9, 2023 by SpankyMcFarland

[SpankyMcFarland]

8 hours ago, reason10 said:

Israelis have NEVER said anything to that effect, nor have they EVER engaged in genocide.

You REALLY need to read a history book, son. There is not now nor was there EVER such a country as Palestine. The land currently occupied by Israel (which would probably fit six times in New Jersey) was originally owned by Great Britain. That country gave that small piece of land to Israel, and the rag heads have been trying to take it and kill all Jews ever since.

You really need to read something beyond the premasticated pap that is served up for those cheap dentures of yours to gnaw on. Britain didn’t ’own’ the Mandated Territory of Palestine. The intent from the League of Nations mandate was administer the territory until its people could run it themselves. Unfortunately, the open borders policy of the British - yes, think on that for a second - led to an explosion in migrants and the current mess. 

Edited November 9, 2023 by SpankyMcFarland

[Rebound]

17 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

You're arguing about something else besides what the thread is about.

Michael,

First, I have no qualms with anyone who is concerned with the plight of Palestinian non-combatant civilians. 
 

My disagreement is with those who supported Hamas’ terrorist attack on Israeli civilians, and who support the eradication of the State of Israel. And the LGBT amongst those are absolutely right up there with “Jews for Hitler.”

[Michael Hardner]

57 minutes ago, Rebound said:

My disagreement is with those who supported Hamas’ terrorist attack on Israeli civilians, and who support the eradication of the State of Israel. And the LGBT amongst those are absolutely right up there with “Jews for Hitler.”

OK - can you cite anything that can connect their sexual identity/orientation with support for Israel or Hamas exclusively and what that relationship is all about ?

I get that you think liberals supporting Hamas is odious and I agree but this post seems to put some special status on people who support them if they are LGBTQ.  How about Jews who are against the war ?  They're under special duress right now too.

[Nationalist]

OK this is dumb as Hell. Tweenkies who simply are provided with a new thing to protests and jack-asses who then try to support them.

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The slaughter and exodus went both ways across that new border. Millions were driven from their homes. And there are Hindus today in Canada who will make anything Islamophobic said on a campus seem utterly harmless by comparison. 

I'm not sure why we see this both-siderism every time it comes to violent islamic bigotry.

The population of what's now Pakistan was 20% Hindu and Sikh, now it's 2%.

The difference was slaughter and expulsion.

There are tens of thousands of people in our country who will justify their genocidal rage towards Israelis because of almost no one being killed in 1948 and half a million people evacuated, but those people don't think anything of 1.5million people murdered and 10M evacuated just 9 months earlier. It's like saying "I don't like to see people of my own religion lose at card games, but watching people of other religions burn to death is ok." I feel like that's violent bigotry. What about you?

[Rebound]

49 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

OK - can you cite anything that can connect their sexual identity/orientation with support for Israel or Hamas exclusively and what that relationship is all about ?

I get that you think liberals supporting Hamas is odious and I agree but this post seems to put some special status on people who support them if they are LGBTQ.  How about Jews who are against the war ?  They're under special duress right now too.

I disagree with anyone who supports Hamas. I have seen signs stating “LGBT for Palestine,” and I think those people are just not aware that it is the SAME THING as holding a sign that says “LGBT for Killing LGBT.” Or “LGBT for Taliban.” These things are all equivalent in their absurdity. 
 

Don’t know why you don’t get that. 
 

Second thing: Why Palestine? They are F-ING terrorists.  There are so so many beleaguered people in this world in need of aid, so of all those, WHY PICK THE TERRORISTS? 
 

Let me tell you why, like it or not: Choosing this one group among all is the one choice of all that lets someone single out Jews.
 

Consider the claim that Israel is killing civilians.  Name ONE THING that Hamas is doing to protect their civilians.  For example, when Israel ordered civilians to evacuate North Gaza, Hamas ordered those civilians to remain.  So who’s the bad guy? But hey; let’s pick on the Jews!  Pick on the side that warns civilians before an attack, not the side that builds concrete tunnels under schools and apartment buildings, then cries when the buildings above the tunnels are bombed.  
 

It’s absurd, and it’s absurd that an LGBT person thinks that the Palestinians or the Taliban are their friends.  They are not.  

[Michael Hardner]

9 minutes ago, Rebound said:

1.  I have seen signs stating “LGBT for Palestine,” and I think those people are just not aware that it is the SAME THING as holding a sign that says “LGBT for Killing LGBT. 

2. Don’t know why you don’t get that. 

3. Second thing: Why Palestine? They are F-ING terrorists.  There are so so many beleaguered people in this world in need of aid, so of all those, WHY PICK THE TERRORISTS? 
 
4. It’s absurd, and it’s absurd that an LGBT person thinks that the Palestinians or the Taliban are their friends.  They are not.  

1. You're basing that on an assessment that Palestine is intolerant of LGBTQ.  Ok but they have decided that the right to have self-determination should be granted despite that intolerance.  Again, there are Jews that feel that way too.

2. I see that you can't fathom it however, I will go back to my main point: "It's possible to empathize with people who are intolerant to you, but I can't teach such matters of the heart.  I can only point it out, it's up to you to accept it."

3. I guess you think Palestine is a terrorist state but not all people feel that way.  I read posts from people who think Israel is a terrorist state but I don't feel that way.

4. I think that you're making assumptions about those LGBTQ who support the Palestinian cause.

I don't think we're moving the conversation forward here.  I am trying to encapsulate the possible thinking behind these things for you and you don't think it's rational but that's about personal values not logic.  Unless you think that Jews who support two-state are also logically incorrect, and maybe acting in a way that doesn't align with self-interest as you see it is just incorrect.

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

And you didn’t answer mine BTW.

 

i answer your questions all the time. And again - you answer with more 'whataboutism'.  Guess that proves my point nicely.

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Yes, I understand how people can be offended by that slogan and I would never say it myself. But in the end it’s a slogan, not facts on the ground. Palestine does not exist as a state - that is the more offensive thing, I think. Actions matter more than words in my book.

It's not a 'slogan' - it's a statement of intent. It's a declaration that only the death of isreal and it's people is an acceptable end goal. 

"Just do it" is a slogan. "Melts in your mouth not in your hands" is a slogan. "From the river to the sea" is a  call to genocide.

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And I prefer whataboutery. Whataboutism is such an ugly, clumsy word. It starts and peters out. There’s no rhythm to it.

Well you spend so much time doing it , i guess it's to be expected that you'd take more of an interest in the term.

[Mako]

On 11/8/2023 at 10:44 AM, ironstone said:

I think that most of the LGTBQ etc etc group are just woefully uninformed about most things. It's like they have no clue what would happen to them in every Middle East country(except Israel) if they simply walked down any street.

 

What Palestinians don’t cut off transgender 16-year-old girls’ breasts? Barbarians! Transphobes! They are in the way of progress. Kill them all, including the children!

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-11-1-2023-children-killed-4a352398b32887e60a658e0270f0a021

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, Mako said:

What Palestinians don’t cut off teenage girls’ breasts? Barbarians! Transphobes! They are in the way of progress. Kill them all, including the children!

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-11-1-2023-children-killed-4a352398b32887e60a658e0270f0a021

Yeah - turns out hamas not only gets off killing jewish children, it's quite happy to see Palestinian children get killed as well.  That's why they hide behind them.

The palestinians however don't complain about this. They don't demand that this stops. They instead use the deaths to pretend that they're the victims.

They're not the victims. They're the agressors and they seem to support that.  I have no idea why they are so willing to get their own children killed, but that's where we are.

 

[Mako]

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Yeah - turns out hamas not only gets off killing jewish children, it's quite happy to see Palestinian children get killed as well.  That's why they hide behind them.

The palestinians however don't complain about this. They don't demand that this stops. They instead use the deaths to pretend that they're the victims.

They're not the victims. They're the agressors and they seem to support that.  I have no idea why they are so willing to get their own children killed, but that's where we are.

 

Please stop lying as you try to justify the mass murder of children.

Quote: “Amnesty International is continuing to investigate dozens of attacks in Gaza. This output focuses on five unlawful attacks which struck residential buildings, a refugee camp, a family home and a public market. The Israeli army claims it only attacks military targets, but in a number of cases Amnesty International found no evidence of the presence of fighters or other military objectives in the vicinity at the time of the attacks.”

Link: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/damning-evidence-of-war-crimes-as-israeli-attacks-wipe-out-entire-families-in-gaza/

 

 

[Rebound]

10 minutes ago, Mako said:

 

What Palestinians don’t cut off transgender 16-year-old girls’ breasts? Barbarians! Transphobes! They are in the way of progress. Kill them all, including the children!

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-11-1-2023-children-killed-4a352398b32887e60a658e0270f0a021

Let me quote first sentence of that article:

”More than 3,600 Palestinian children were killed in the first 25 days of the war between Israel and Hamas, according to Gaza’s Hamas-run Health Ministry. “

Tell me why you believe the terrorist organization is telling the truth.  
 

The article also says some of these deaths were caused by mis-fired rockets. Only one side in this conflict Is firing rockets, and it isn’t Israel. 

Edited November 9, 2023 by Rebound

[Mako]

14 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Let me quote first sentence of that article:

”More than 3,600 Palestinian children were killed in the first 25 days of the war between Israel and Hamas, according to Gaza’s Hamas-run Health Ministry. “

Tell me why you believe the terrorist organization is telling the truth.  

So you’ve concluded that those Israeli bombs have somehow all missed their targets.

Here’s UNICEF’s James Elder: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-01/un-describes-gaza-situation-as-graveyard-for-children/103047826

You feel the Israelis are not terrorists despite all their mass murder, and the Palestinians are subhumans who hate their children and always lie.

You’re just an evil little bigot, aren’t you?

 

 

Edited November 9, 2023 by Mako

[SpankyMcFarland]

55 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

i answer your questions all the time. And again - you answer with more 'whataboutism'.  Guess that proves my point nicely.

It's not a 'slogan' - it's a statement of intent. It's a declaration that only the death of isreal and it's people is an acceptable end goal. 

"Just do it" is a slogan. "Melts in your mouth not in your hands" is a slogan. "From the river to the sea" is a  call to genocide.

Well you spend so much time doing it , i guess it's to be expected that you'd take more of an interest in the term.

Do you accept that Israel already extends from the river to the sea? Yes or no?

[SpankyMcFarland]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I'm not sure why we see this both-siderism every time it comes to violent islamic bigotry.

The population of what's now Pakistan was 20% Hindu and Sikh, now it's 2%.

The difference was slaughter and expulsion.

There are tens of thousands of people in our country who will justify their genocidal rage towards Israelis because of almost no one being killed in 1948 and half a million people evacuated, but those people don't think anything of 1.5million people murdered and 10M evacuated just 9 months earlier. It's like saying "I don't like to see people of my own religion lose at card games, but watching people of other religions burn to death is ok." I feel like that's violent bigotry. What about you?

Ah Jaysus, are you saying that no Muslims were killed during the Partition of British India? That would come as a considerable surprise to many families who mourned them for decades. Why are so many posters unencumbered by facts here? 

Edited November 9, 2023 by SpankyMcFarland

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Ah Jaysus, are you saying that no Muslims were killed during the Partition of British India? That would come as a considerable surprise to a great number of people. 

Are you saying that it wasn't mostly due to ethnically cleansing in Pakistan?