Democrats should begin working on a replacement for Joe Biden

[myata]

He is a good man but this is not his battle. The challenge that is coming has to be faced and overcome with new energy, new will and new vision.

It wouldn't be wise or fun for the Democrats to repeat the same mistake they made with Clinton: putting forward someone with a loooong and deep record in the power hierarchy at the time the population was looking for a change. This opportunity exists - it's only up to Democrats to oversee and squander it.

Democrats ridiculed the other party for their inability to come together. Let's see if Democrats can distinguish the needs and requirements of the country from those of its hierarchy. In such time there are no preset solutions and bandwagons. Nothing is assured or guaranteed. Observe, see, think and make an intelligent decision. That could make all the difference.

Let's see.

[Jack9000]

ye they need to force him out he said he was gonna be a transitional president so either move out of the way or push him out of the way they need to get the Mich govenor lady to run

[Deluge]

2 hours ago, Jack9000 said:

ye they need to force him out he said he was gonna be a transitional president so either move out of the way or push him out of the way they need to get the Mich govenor lady to run

She seems better than Newsom, that's for damn sure. 

Edited November 7, 2023 by Deluge

[Mako]

The Democrats are in a tough spot.

Next in line is Kamala. If a non POC is chosen over her there’ll be a big problem.

Unfortunately Harris is a complete dunce.

And anyway tossing out a sitting president is next to impossible.

Dems may be stuck with Biden.

RFK and some other reformers are fighting the corrupt war-mongering Democratic Party establishment.

Let’s wish them luck.

Edited November 7, 2023 by Mako

[ironstone]

8 hours ago, myata said:

He is a good man but this is not his battle. The challenge that is coming has to be faced and overcome with new energy, new will and new vision.

It wouldn't be wise or fun for the Democrats to repeat the same mistake they made with Clinton: putting forward someone with a loooong and deep record in the power hierarchy at the time the population was looking for a change. This opportunity exists - it's only up to Democrats to oversee and squander it.

Democrats ridiculed the other party for their inability to come together. Let's see if Democrats can distinguish the needs and requirements of the country from those of its hierarchy. In such time there are no preset solutions and bandwagons. Nothing is assured or guaranteed. Observe, see, think and make an intelligent decision. That could make all the difference.

Let's see.

I don't see any evidence that Biden is "a good man". Plenty of evidence that he has a short fuse. Plenty of evidence over the span of his career that he entered politics to enrich himself. Plenty of evidence that he has a serious issue with tall tales(lying). What does it say about this man's character when he refused to acknowledge the "other" granddaughter for so long?

I had previously believed that there was no way the DNC would allow him to run again given the obvious decline in his cognitive ability but now I'm not so sure. He most certainly is being controlled by actors behind the scenes so they may just want to keep this Weekend At Bernie President in the White House.

[WestCanMan]

8 hours ago, myata said:

He is a good man

Adolf Biden was the perfect choice for the Dems, just not for the rest of the world. His divisiveness, shortsightedness and weakness gave rise to wars and bigotry like we haven't seen since 1940.

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The challenge that is coming has to be faced and overcome with new energy, new will and new vision.

Like I said yesterday: the whole point of releasing those polls yesterday, which showed Trump way ahead in the battleground states, wasn't to inform voters - that's literally never the case - it was to steer voters towards choosing a better Dem candidate. 

The "poll" was a message to voters that "Trump's ahead, but just by a little bit. With a better candidate we can still win".

I hope voters just remember that Joe isn't just "a guy who got elected". He was the best candidate that party had to offer. The Democrats put him there on their shoulders. They put this hateful, divisive, weak sham of a human being in the most important position on earth, and now we're all suffering.

Joe Biden's abject failure is all on the Dems, not just on Joe. Everyone with half a brain saw this coming. The Dems are still failing to make sense of it all, even with the benefit of hindsight. 

Edited November 7, 2023 by WestCanMan

[Jack9000]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

She seems better than Newsom, that's for damn sure. 

 

yea shes great I would like to see her vs nikki haley in  presidental contest for the first female president.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Mako said:

The Democrats are in a tough spot.

Next in line is Kamala. If a non POC is chosen over her there’ll be a big problem.

Unfortunately Harris is a complete dunce.

If the Dems don't have a POC as their candidate the more racist blacks won't vote, and that's not good because they've actually spent the last 15 years ramping up racism. 

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Adolf Biden was the perfect choice for the Dems, just not for the rest of the world. His divisiveness, shortsightedness and weakness gave rise to wars and bigotry like we haven't seen since 1940.

Like I said yesterday: the whole point of releasing those polls yesterday, which showed Trump way ahead in the battleground states, wasn't to inform voters - that's literally never the case - it was to steer voters towards choosing a better Dem candidate. 

The "poll" was a message to voters that "Trump's ahead, but just by a little bit. With a better candidate we can still win".

I hope voters just remember that Joe isn't just "a guy who got elected". He was the best candidate that party had to offer. The Democrats put him there on their shoulders. They put this hateful, divisive, weak sham of a human being in the most important position on earth, and now we're all suffering.

Joe Biden's abject failure is all on the Dems, not just on Joe. Everyone with half a brain saw this coming. The Dems are still failing to make sense of it all, even with the benefit of hindsight. 

Fortunately Joe's target voting audience is not a delusional right wing Canuck viewer of FOS LIES.

[Mako]

I don’t think either Biden or Harris will go quietly.

Perhaps the Democratic elite will bump off Joe. That would solve many of their problems.

Maybe induce a heart attack?

Maybe assassinate Joe and Kamala and blame it on a MAGA patsy? Very hard to arrange.

They’re having a meeting on this matter right now in Jeff Zients’s basement.

Just speculating.

Edited November 8, 2023 by Mako

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

Fortunately Joe's target voting audience is not a delusional right wing Canuck viewer of FOS LIES.

Joe's target demographic is credulous and/or racist adults, but just because people are a bit on the s l o o o w w w w w w  side doesn't mean that they don't know the difference between war & peace, or how much money they have left over after they pay their bills, buy their groceries, and gas up their car. 

Right now only the voters who went 'full r3tard' are still considering another 4 years of nexnelsrent.

8 minutes ago, Mako said:

I don’t think either Biden or Harris will go quietly.

Perhaps the Democratic elite will bump off Joe. That would solve many of their problems.

Maybe induce a heart attack?

Maybe assassinate Joe and Kamala and blame it on a MAGA patsy? Very hard to arrange.

Just speculating.

One drop of oil on a ladder will do it. 

[impartialobserver]

in a perfect world, both parties would nominate a younger, more vibrant, smarter candidate than these two. However, not going to happen.

 

[CdnFox]

If they're looking to 'work on ' a new biden may i suggest the first improvement is the battery capacity?

[myata]

10 hours ago, robosmith said:

Fortunately Joe's target voting audience is not

It's a far cry voting against a dominant perception even for a model candidate. The time clearly calls for, requires change and renewal. It's right in the air, palpable. You really want to put up a candidate who looks the exact opposite of it? And hope that it just may work?

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Joe's target demographic is credulous and/or racist adults, but just because people are a bit on the s l o o o w w w w w w  side doesn't mean that they don't know the difference between war & peace, or how much money they have left over after they pay their bills, buy their groceries, and gas up their car. 

Only the delusional right wing Canuck viewers of FOS LIES don't know that Joe had nothing to do with "war & peace" and the ONCE higher inflation that was an entire Western world consequence of pandemic mismanagement; esp by right wingers like Trump and Bolsonaro attempting to HIDE the pandemic from their credulous citizens. 

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Right now only the voters who went 'full r3tard' are still considering another 4 years of nexnelsrent.

You seem to have a problem with English writing. Perhaps you need an Alzheimer's diagnosis before you go full COVFEFE.

[robosmith]

1 minute ago, myata said:

It's a far cry voting against a dominant perception even for a model candidate. The time clearly calls for, requires change and renewal. It's right in the air, palpable. You really want to put up a candidate who looks the exact opposite of it? And hope that it just may work?

The Democratic Primary voters will decide who gets the nomination. Joe has provided change and renewal; just hope he gets the chance to complete the job.

[myata]

6 hours ago, robosmith said:

The Democratic Primary voters will decide who gets the nomination.

Right, do as always while hoping for a new result. Ok, let's see.

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, myata said:

Right, do as always while hoping for a new result. Ok, let's see.

The willingness of Democrats to vote for a candidate in the primary is the strongest evidence that they will turn out and vote for him in the general election, which is the primary interest of the Party.

[myata]

13 minutes ago, robosmith said:

will turn out and vote for him in the general election

Members of the party do not decide in the general election: the population does. Easy to forget, no?

[CdnFox]

(my god - it's like watching two underfunded AI bots arguing with each other....)

[impartialobserver]

Part of our issue is that money and politics are one in the same. Can't run for office (in most cases) unless you have lots of discretionary income. That precludes younger folks who have not had the time to accumulate this income. 

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, myata said:

Members of the party do not decide in the general election: the population does. Easy to forget, no?

The turn out of the Party decides how many votes the Democratic candidate gets, and that's the only thing controllable by the Democratic Party. Any control over the votes the opposition gets is 2nd order at best.

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

(my god - it's like watching two underfunded AI bots arguing with each other....)

Far superior to your SHIT POSTS. Duh

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

Part of our issue is that money and politics are one in the same. Can't run for office (in most cases) unless you have lots of discretionary income. That precludes younger folks who have not had the time to accumulate this income. 

Very FEW EVER spend their own money on a campaign.

Even Trump FAILED despite his LIE he would be self-funded.

[impartialobserver]

19 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Very FEW EVER spend their own money on a campaign.

Even Trump FAILED despite his LIE he would be self-funded.

Its called opportunity cost. If I (and others on this forum) were to quit our wage-earning jobs.. we would be foregoing earnings and that would represent an opportunity cost. In the beginning, the candidate is usually on their own and so you would have to be self funded to some degree. Also, donors and backers (with deep pockets) do not want to go to your modest 2 bedroom unit in the suburbs.. hence the need for money. 

[CdnFox]

50 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Far superior to your SHIT POSTS. Duh

That's just what you'd expect an underfunded ai bot to say  

(Triggered ai bot is triggered!!)