OH CANADA, how low we've sunk

[CdnFox]

C'mon @ExFlyer,  don't just downvote the guy because you disagree with his opinion , downvotes are for more serious things than that.  Otherwise the board is just one big downvote or splits into 'factions' who run around upvoting and downvoting each other just because.

 

I get this is an emotional issue and can lead to extreme frustration for both sides.  It's hard sometimes when you feel people are genuinely suffering, whichever side you empathize with.  But we shouldn't let it drive us over the edge here right?

No reply necessary or anything - i just wanted to put that out there for you to think about.

Edited November 10, 2023 by CdnFox

[diwalikarwa]

So parade around Toronto yelling and waving placards. It's at least 5% more effective than clicking a mouse at getting completely foreign countries and terrorist organizations to change their policies.

[taxme]

18 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Yeah, you are.  And if you're fine with being the kind of guy who supports the slaughter of innocent people then that's something you can do i suppose.  No law against it.

 

Where have i ever said that i am supporting Israel or Hamas? Show me verbatim as to where i have said those words or that i support either one or stop lying. I am only standing with the Palestinian people who are now the victims in this Jew/Arab conflict. Stop looking to try and put words in my mouth. 

You need to stop being so emotional over Israeli losses and start to think about the Palestinian losses for a change. Your support for the killing of innocent Palestinian women and children by Israel is disgusting and deplorable. ?

 

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

C'mon @ExFlyer,  don't just downvote the guy because you disagree with his opinion , downvotes are for more serious things than that.  Otherwise the board is just one big downvote or splits into 'factions' who run around upvoting and downvoting each other just because.

 

I get this is an emotional issue and can lead to extreme frustration for both sides.  It's hard sometimes when you feel people are genuinely suffering, whichever side you empathize with.  But we shouldn't let it drive us over the edge here right?

No reply necessary or anything - i just wanted to put that out there for you to think about.

Nothing emotional at all. Just tit for tat repercussion.

He downvoted me 10 times in 10 minutes a couple hours ago. I have no opinion about his opinion. He has never responded to my posts except for this sudden outburst.

Now that you are aware of the reasons, i just wanted to put that out there for you to think about.

Edited November 10, 2023 by ExFlyer

[taxme]

18 hours ago, PIK said:

Israel has bent over so many times for peace, only to be told no. Hamas by their own words, only mission is not to govern, but to kill every jew. What more is it going to take.

Both Israel and Hamas do not want any peace. They both only want to wipe out each other. Just like Israel, Hamas has grievences also. We only always ever get to hear the Israeli side of the story but not the Hamas side of the story. 

During the 2nd WW, we never got to hear the German side of the story. We were told that Hitler was evil and he pretty much had to be defeated and die.  

An arbiter and his/her conclusions is final. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

Where have i ever said that i am supporting Israel or Hamas?

Where you said you want hamas's handywork displayed for the world and posted up on social media sites like this.

They're proud of that attack. THEY are trying to post images of it and people aren't going for that. You're trying to do their work for them.  It's like carrying around a sign that says "Say yes to dead israeli babies" and pretending you don't support them.

You're judged by your own actions bud. Pretty disgusting in my books but you do you.

[taxme]

8 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Terms of service on a website?

Most won't allow the posted pictures of a decapitated corpse. 

Plus, you're the only one not believing the atrocities committed by Hamas.

Why would I subject all posters to them? Why would I dehumanize the dead by publicly posting this? Its bad enough that their darkest moment is there for the globe to see.

I respect that not all people need to see this. People like you, do. If your stance is the same after seeing the carnage, then all the power to you. You're at least basing your opinion based on all avaliable facts, vs one sided propaganda. 

Its not fear, its respect. Same reason I don't make out with my wife in front of her parents when we visit them. Its disrespectful in her culture.

Its sad that you need convincing.

That you don't question what you're told. That you don't like looking into what you're taught to believe.

Like you legit believe Israel is bombing Gaza right now just to kill babies for no reason. Just like if I believed that these people in Gaza are p***ed off at Israel for them minding their own business for all these years. That there is absolutely no discriminatory treatment of any Palestinians within their territory. No illegal settlements violating the rule of law. 

It doesn't justify the maiming of women, children and killing of innocent civilians.

It never does. Same reason Israel is facing immense international pressure to cease fire.

Unless you're stating innocent civilians are fair play.

Neither side looks good.

Israel has killed over 10 thousand people in this conflict (ignoring tolls in others). Almost half are kids. The microscope is on them, and it is uncovering things Israel would likely prefer to be hidden.

Hamas has brutally slaughtered over 1, 400 people. Many of them kids, women and the elderly. Vast majority, are innocent civilians. 

The killings are brutal. People burned alive in bunkers, in cars trying to to escape. 

Hamas soldiers flagging cars driving off, only to open fire, and what sticks with you, is how gleefully they are doing this.

The news can't show most of it, due to the sheer brutality.

Very hard to show a maimed corpse in the mainstream.

Thats a lie and you know it.

It takes two parties to end this conflict. 

It takes a ceasefire by two parties and both sticking to it.

Here in Canada we are having many problems of our own thanks in part to our illustrious leftist liberal politicians who do not seem to care a dam bloody bit about what is going on in Canada or to Canadians. I do not give a bloody care as to what is going on in the Middle East. Let them all kill each other for all i care. It's their bloody war and not mine. 

If more Canadians gave a shit about what is going on in Canada, and not the rest of the world, Canada should be in a better position and place than what we are today. What the Marxist dictator in Ottawa is and has been doing to Canada and Canadians needs to be addressed. It's amazing indeed to watch so many members here caring more about Israel than Canada itself. 

As i have said already? The conflict in the Middle East needs to have an arbiter to study both sides of the conflict and come up with a final solution that both must agree with. Their report and opinion is final. But until then, we must constantly listen to and hear about this stupid silly ass conflict over and over again ad nauseam. Enough already. 

[Guest]

24 minutes ago, taxme said:

I do not give a bloody care as to what is going on in the Middle East.

Well, its easy not to care as long as that carnage cannot be found at your own borders. 

One way or another, when you displace hundreds of thousands of people, Canada will more than likely be affected either way.

25 minutes ago, taxme said:

It's their bloody war and not mine. 

This gets serious enough, and enough countries get involved, it becomes our war.

26 minutes ago, taxme said:

The conflict in the Middle East needs to have an arbiter to study both sides

Hard to study Hamas, when they aren't held to any international standards. 

They literally posted videos releasing hostages, clearly staged--where the hostages and armed soldiers were waving goodbye to one another.

Turn around, and behead one of the captives. 

They literally deny the siege they set or how bad it was, in Israel. Videos all over the web quickly dispute this.

How do you in all seriousness negotiate with a group that was sat down during peace talks, yet still lobbed missiles at Israel?

When the enemy refuses to cede any ground, and literally and openly states that your civilization being erased is the only acceptable solution, you just can't negotiate with such people.

[suds]

3 hours ago, taxme said:

Both Israel and Hamas do not want any peace. They both only want to wipe out each other. Just like Israel, Hamas has grievences also. We only always ever get to hear the Israeli side of the story but not the Hamas side of the story. 

During the 2nd WW, we never got to hear the German side of the story. We were told that Hitler was evil and he pretty much had to be defeated and die.  

An arbiter and his/her conclusions is final. 

Well Hitler WAS in fact evil and pretty much had to die. I'm not quite getting your point here. Are you implying he wasn't??

[I am Groot]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

Of course I get the idea.  I imagine things would go as sideways as they have in the ME.

But since we're into imagining things, imagine if Israel's justice system was like ours and it compelled Israel's government to follow the law as it pertains to illegal and often violent settlements on occupied Palestinian territory.  Perhaps you'd prefer our government follow Israel's example of changing our institutions so they function in ways that support the government instead of the law. 

I oppose the settlements in West Bank. I think it's stupid, and wasteful in that any real solution will require Israel to remove them all. But the settlements didn't start the Intifadas - prior to which 40% of Palestinians worked in Israel. And let's not think that was in any way behind what Hamas was doing when it sent its savages across the border.

And also let's not pretend that if all the settlements were removed and the West Bank and Gaza were given their unconditional independence the first thing they wouldn't do would be acquiring as many heavy weapons as possible while organizing to attack Israel. Nor that even if they didn't, they would be any more free than Syria or Iran, or any more prosperous than Yemen.

[taxme]

9 hours ago, ironstone said:

Wars are terrible events and there is always collateral damage with many lives lost. The big difference in this conflict is the one which you do not want to address. It's been mentioned on here countless times, the policy of human shields by Hamas. Only someone willfully blind would not see that the IDF makes a huge effort to avoid civilian casualties. But those casualties happen nevertheless. It's what we should expect when cowardly Hamas hides in hospitals and schools and the like.

Hamas takes the opposite approach when it comes to their targets. They seek out the most vulnerable people. Hamas supporters are right here in Canada.

But i am addressing the situation. I am talking about all of the innocent Palestinian women and children that are being blown to pieces by Israel which you appear to support and enjoy watching. Who is the real willfully blind here. What has happened to Jews in Israel is nothing compared with what is happening to the Palestinians in Gaza these past few weeks. 

I know that you love and support Israel, but come on man, wake the phk up, ?

[taxme]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Where you said you want hamas's handywork displayed for the world and posted up on social media sites like this.

They're proud of that attack. THEY are trying to post images of it and people aren't going for that. You're trying to do their work for them.  It's like carrying around a sign that says "Say yes to dead israeli babies" and pretending you don't support them.

You're judged by your own actions bud. Pretty disgusting in my books but you do you.

Just asking questions. All i want is for someone here to show me one picture or one video of what atrocities Hamas has committed. Give me something or where they can be found? I just want to see some proof for myself. 

I have to assume that what Israel has been doing these past few weeks, by dropping bombs on innocent peoples heads, is alright with you? You love watching that movie, don't you? It's not hard to tell as to where and who you support. Shocking indeed. 

[taxme]

2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Well, its easy not to care as long as that carnage cannot be found at your own borders. 

One way or another, when you displace hundreds of thousands of people, Canada will more than likely be affected either way.

This gets serious enough, and enough countries get involved, it becomes our war.

Hard to study Hamas, when they aren't held to any international standards. 

They literally posted videos releasing hostages, clearly staged--where the hostages and armed soldiers were waving goodbye to one another.

Turn around, and behead one of the captives. 

They literally deny the siege they set or how bad it was, in Israel. Videos all over the web quickly dispute this.

How do you in all seriousness negotiate with a group that was sat down during peace talks, yet still lobbed missiles at Israel?

When the enemy refuses to cede any ground, and literally and openly states that your civilization being erased is the only acceptable solution, you just can't negotiate with such people.

Well, you go give a shit all you want to about this feud going on. I am fed up with it all. I would prefer that those that are pro-Israel would start to concern and worry more about Canada and not Israel or Hamas. Why do you give a shit so much as to what is going on over there? It should not effect Canada in anyway because Israel nor Gaza has anything to offer Canada. Both are just pretty much shitty little places to want to live in. Just my opinion. 

[taxme]

1 hour ago, suds said:

Well Hitler WAS in fact evil and pretty much had to die. I'm not quite getting your point here. Are you implying he wasn't??

So, was Stalin an evil person? Stalin should have died long before the war ever started. But what i will never understand is why Hitlers avowed enemy was communism, which the west was having problems with also, would not join Hitler in his war with Stalin. But yet, when Hitler went into Russia, America, Canada and Britain decided to join forces with Stalin their worse enemy and defeat Hitler. Stalin was more of a threat to the rest of the world than Hitler. 

I have often wondered as to what would the world be like today if those countries had joined forces with Hitler to try  defeat a bigger enemy to the west? I guess that we will never know now. And as we have now seen as to what communism has done to the hundreds of millions of it's victim's, maybe we should have joined forces with Hitler. Anyone that wanted to defeat and destroy communism is okay in my books. By not defeating communism, we now have to deal with communist China, North Korea and Cuba. I believe that a big mistake was made here. Just my opinion.   

[CdnFox]

47 minutes ago, taxme said:

Just asking questions.

No, you're not.  You're demanding that hamas's handiwork be posted for all to see and celebrate, which is precisely what they want.
 

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All i want is for someone here to show me one picture or one video

"All you want" is to promote hamas's work and use the dead bodies of children to glorify their actions? Oh is that "all"?

Dude - that is a sick thing to ask for.

 

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I have to assume that what Israel has been doing these past few weeks, by dropping bombs on innocent peoples heads, is alright with you?

You mean dropping bombs on hamas targets? Yeah i'm fine with that.  I assume that you're fine with hamas using people as meat shields to hide behind?

 

[TreeBeard]

On 11/9/2023 at 5:34 AM, blackbird said:

Britain occupied north America above the U.S. on the continent and it eventually became Canada.  Practically every country in the world occupied their territory at some point in history.  Israel considers the West Bank as part of Israel.

So if Russia thought part of Canada was its territory, you’d just shrug your shoulders and say “I guess every country is occupied at some point”?

[blackbird]

9 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

So if Russia thought part of Canada was its territory, you’d just shrug your shoulders and say “I guess every country is occupied at some point”?

Why do you try to taunt or annoy people on here constantly?  Do you drink a lot?

[ironstone]

14 hours ago, taxme said:

But i am addressing the situation. I am talking about all of the innocent Palestinian women and children that are being blown to pieces by Israel which you appear to support and enjoy watching. Who is the real willfully blind here. What has happened to Jews in Israel is nothing compared with what is happening to the Palestinians in Gaza these past few weeks. 

I know that you love and support Israel, but come on man, wake the phk up, ?

You have got this totally backwards and you keep ducking the question. You're the one that seems to be salivating at the prospect of seeing horrific images, not me.

And you clearly don't have a response to the point we keep making about Hamas and their longtime tactic of using human shields. They consider Palestinian casualties as a positive thing.

[TreeBeard]

11 hours ago, blackbird said:

Why do you try to taunt or annoy people on here constantly?  Do you drink a lot?

why do you think a simple question is a taunt?
 

I like to challenge inconsistent or hypocritical viewpoints.   You’re in favour of Israel taking land that isn’t there’s because “countries are occupied all the time”.  Obviously that’s not really a good reason, since you wouldn’t want your country occupied, is it?

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

why do you think a simple question is a taunt?
 

I like to challenge inconsistent or hypocritical viewpoints.   You’re in favour of Israel taking land that isn’t there’s because “countries are occupied all the time”.  Obviously that’s not really a good reason, since you wouldn’t want your country occupied, is it?

Your questions are obviously just taunts .  You are not discussing anything.  

Israel took official possession of land that is absolutely theirs.  You are getting into a subject that is way over your head and you are not the least interested in facts.   You prefer to just taunt and insult as I said.

You should just read your question before you post it.  It is obviously frivolous.

Almost all countries were formed by colonization.  Do you have a problem with that.  That is the way the world is.  We can't change it.  It is just a fact, good or bad.

Israel is a special case.  It was occupied by Israel thousands of years ago and they have permanent title to it whether you like it or not.  If you don't agree, I doubt anything anyone says will change your mind.   

 

Edited November 11, 2023 by blackbird

[Guest]

17 hours ago, taxme said:

Why do you give a shit so much as to what is going on over there? 

I don't. What bothers me is the one sided propaganda.

17 hours ago, taxme said:

because Israel nor Gaza has anything to offer Canada. 

If Russia decides to bomb Canada, and those get intercepted in Alaska, you likely could thank Israel for this.

They have some of the most advanced anti missile systems on the planet. They share this technology with the US. 

We are indirectly protected by the US. To say Israel doesn't benefit the western world, is crazy at best.

17 hours ago, taxme said:

Both are just pretty much shitty little places to want to live in. Just my opinion. 

You have clearly never traveled to Israel nor know anyone from there.

Israel is a beautiful country, that is just horribly situated.

Your logic would be stating the Philippines is a crappy country to live in, because it happens to be on the ring of fire, making it incredibly earthquake prone.

Many locals and tourists would just internally scoff, while vacationing like this:

[TreeBeard]

35 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Your questions are obviously just taunts .  You are not discussing anything.  

Asking questions isn’t discussing?  I think you prefer proselytizing.  That’s where you just regurgitate speaking points.  Real discussion includes questioning viewpoints.  You call it taunting because it doesn’t suit proselytizing;  it means you have to actually think.  
 

38 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Almost all countries were formed by colonization.  Do you have a problem with that.  That is the way the world is.  We can't change it.  It is just a fact, good or bad.

The fact that it happened in the past, does that make it right?  
Why aren’t you in favour of Russia colonizing Canada today?  Because you know it’s wrong.  
 

We can change it, and we have for the most part.  Most countries no longer try and forcefully colonize what isn’t theirs.  And when they do, most of the rest of the world condemns those actions. 

43 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Israel is a special case.  It was occupied by Israel thousands of years ago

Israel didn’t exist thousands of years ago.   Do you have any empathy for Arab children who are displaced or die because Israel takes their land?
 

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Asking questions isn’t discussing?

Asking dishonest questions isn't discussing.

If i ask you have you stopped beating your wife yes or no, that's not honest discussion.

Everyone here gets that you're being dishonest and attempting to put a veil of legitimacy on it.  But carry on - we all know you're a scumbag so it hardly matters.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

Real discussion includes questioning viewpoints.

Which you don't do.  You pretend you are asking a legitimate question, but the question is usually foolishness or irrational.

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

The fact that it happened in the past, does that make it right?

I never said it made it right.  Colonization is just how the world was settled.  

If a handful of aboriginals lived in what we call Canada, and never occupied much of the vast wilderness, was it wrong for the white man to move to Canada from Europe?   I don't think so.

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

Israel didn’t exist thousands of years ago.

Wrong.  Read the Old Testament.  Israel began in the area we call Israel several thousand years ago.  

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

Asking questions isn’t discussing?  I think you prefer proselytizing.

You don't ask rational questions to begin with.  

I do proselytize sometimes because sometimes the gospel needs to preached.  Isn't that what Jesus said to do?

 

15 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

So if Russia thought part of Canada was its territory, you’d just shrug your shoulders and say “I guess every country is occupied at some point”?

When did I ever say anything remotely close to that?  It is a hypothetical nonsensical question.  It was not meant as a sincere question.

Edited November 11, 2023 by blackbird