More tax dollars for the Native Indians.

[I am Groot]

On 11/2/2023 at 11:31 AM, Nationalist said:

This is insanity. Can anyone explain why the natives deserve this money? Can anyone explain why our tax funds need to be spent in this manner? Will the expenditure have a positive impact on anything? I mean...aside from padding the bank accounts of the tribal leaders.

Can anyone explain this insanity?

Sure. Woke law schools that indoctrinate their students, and a government that chooses judges primarily on their wokeness, as opposed to legal knowledge, experience, wisdom or intelligence.

[I am Groot]

On 11/2/2023 at 3:51 PM, herbie said:

Doncha love the automatic I'm not a racist, you're the racist replies in this forum?

There's an old axium that says if everyone you meet is an a$$hole maybe it's YOU who's the a$$hole. You should consider that.

[OftenWrong]

They should quickly breed more children, so's they can get the money...

[Zeitgeist]

It needs to be understood that the government of Canada and taxpayers will constantly be told that they don’t give enough to Indigenous.  This won’t end.  Reconciliation is a myth.  Genocide from the Canadian government against Indigenous is also a myth, but accusations of genocide and mistreatment, bad treaties, etc. make people money. That isn’t to say Indigenous people didn’t get a raw deal sometimes and in some places.  Indigenous groups also treated each other like shit at times.  Northwest Coast Indigenous kept more slaves than any settlers in Canada. Europeans slaughtered each other and colonized, as did Asians and Africans.  Ghengis Khan killed 40 million people.  Thank God for the Western Enlightenment for constitutional democracy, the end of slavery, the creation of public education, the advancement of public health, etc.

Indigenous made some contributions to this progress, but so did many other cultures, especially Greece, Judeo-Christian Mosaic law and other religious codes, British Common Law, and the French philosophes.

Indigenous activists can tell their stories, but so can many others.  It’s time that we heard from those making the case for Canada.  Haven’t heard that in a while except from a few brave commentators constantly under threat of cancellation.  

Edited November 4, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[ExFlyer]

4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

It needs to be understood that the government of Canada and taxpayers will constantly be told that they don’t give enough to Indigenous.  T......

Indigenous activists can tell their stories, but so can many others.  .....

That is very important to know and understand.  Indigenous only tell stories that , as we all know, change every time a story is told and retold. There are no records of anything indigenous.

Their "stories" are supposed to be taken as fact.

[Zeitgeist]

53 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

That is very important to know and understand.  Indigenous only tell stories that , as we all know, change every time a story is told and retold. There are no records of anything indigenous.

Their "stories" are supposed to be taken as fact.

Yes, I especially love the “ways of knowing” hocus-pocus. 

[blackbird]

The federal government just promised 500 million dollars and the B.C. government contributed 500 million plus dollars to a fund to preserve one third of the wilderness of B.C.  Of course the natives will be on the receiving end as they will be part of the plan on how this will work and they are the "knowledge keepers".  They apparently know how to preserve the wilderness but it will be at everyone else's expense.  It pays to claim you are a knowledge keeper, but you must be indigenous to qualify.

[herbie]

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Indigenous only tell stories that , as we all know, change every time a story is told and retold.

Jesus K Riest resorting to outright lies to continue the racist bullshit. How desperate. And claiming giving people what they're due is "wokeness"?

You people really are wastes of skin.

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

They apparently know how to preserve the wilderness but it will be at everyone else's expense.  It pays to claim you are a knowledge keeper, but you must be indigenous to qualify.

And even our resident "Christian" perpetuates things with his exaggerated claims that the people that live in those areas aren't qualified and will benefit only by race.
Where do you think the real wilderness experts live? Downtown Eastside? Yonge St? Oak Bay? Who owns the helicopters that take them there, sells them their equipment and their lunch? The lodge they stay in?

[ExFlyer]

12 minutes ago, herbie said:

Jesus K Riest resorting to outright lies to continue the racist bullshit. How desperate. And claiming giving people what they're due is "wokeness"?

You people really are wastes of skin.

And even our resident "Christian" perpetuates things with his exaggerated claims that the people that live in those areas aren't qualified and will benefit only by race.
Where do you think the real wilderness experts live? Downtown Eastside? Yonge St? Oak Bay? Who owns the helicopters that take them there, sells them their equipment and their lunch? The lodge they stay in?

Lies??? What documented evidence is their of injun life from 100 years ago and beyond except that which was written by white persons and only as stories told to them by the indigenous?

We are not a waste of skin, we are realists and you defend the indefensible. What have the indigenous done for the productivity and improvement of this country?? Answer zero, zip, nothing. As a people the do nothing to better this country. they only take and have only taken since the french and british arrived. "Jesus K Riest" 90% do not even work and earn a living because they know they get free everything from governments. They are a f'n burden to the Canadian economy.

What good are "real wilderness experts" when all they do is wait for the next welfare cheque?

While there are maybe a half dozen bands (out of over 600) in Canada that own lodges and helicopters, 95% live of the teat of taxpayers.

You cannot defend this useless segment of society in any way.

[blackbird]

Our B.C. NDP government is always looking for any excuses to hand millions of dollars over to aboriginals.  New schemes are announced every few days and more money is poured out for them.

Yet the walk-in medical clinic in Campbell River is closing.  How about spending money on the health care system instead of throwing out hundreds of millions of dollars for feel-good saving the forest with "knowledge keepers"?

"Campbell River is about to lose its only walk-in medical clinic. The Quinsam Medical Walk In Clinic in Campbell River’s Willow Point neighbourhood will close permanently after its last full day on Nov. 17 to people who aren’t connected to one of its family doctors. The clinic has been hearing from those who will be impacted."

Campbell River's only walk-in clinic for unattached patients is set to close (cheknews.ca)

Edited November 4, 2023 by blackbird
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[Zeitgeist]

7 hours ago, blackbird said:

The federal government just promised 500 million dollars and the B.C. government contributed 500 million plus dollars to a fund to preserve one third of the wilderness of B.C.  Of course the natives will be on the receiving end as they will be part of the plan on how this will work and they are the "knowledge keepers".  They apparently know how to preserve the wilderness but it will be at everyone else's expense.  It pays to claim you are a knowledge keeper, but you must be indigenous to qualify.

They’re knowledge keepers of capitalist opportunism, using victim rhetoric and the art of persuasion (media campaigns or advertising) to accumulate property and wealth.  This rhetoric will persist no matter how wealthy and privileged the Indigenous become.  They will always be able to say that the government isn’t living up to the recommendations of the TRC because those recommendations, if followed, would bankrupt Canada and create a Saudi elite who are required to do nothing strictly on the basis of a racial claim to have been on the territory first.  Treaties have their privileges and stories are powerful.

Only very stupid, gullible people would lay down and accept such terms, but it doesn’t matter.  Even if all demands are met, it will never be enough because it pays to claim victimhood rather than be a reconciled partner. Do I think many Indigenous will move on eventually from dependence?  Hopefully, but maybe not.  Emotional blackmail is probably eternal.

Edited November 5, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[herbie]

6 hours ago, blackbird said:

Our B.C. NDP government is always looking for any excuses to hand millions of dollars over to aboriginals.

Like I said you heed to resort to lies trting to make your case.

The billion deollars you ranted about is not going to 'the Indians' as you claim by for species and areas under threat. It was announced along with native dignataries because nothing is going to be done in Canada without input and consultation with the tribes affected ever again.
Sometimes that will involve compensation.

If you don't like that, pick another country to live in. Scratch Australia, New Zealand, the USA and all the countries in S America off your list of choices.

Edited November 5, 2023 by herbie

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, herbie said:

Like I said you heed to resort to lies trting to make your case.

The billion deollars you ranted about is not going to 'the Indians' as you claim by for species and areas under threat. It was announced along with native dignataries because nothing is going to be done in Canada without input and consultation with the tribes affected ever again.
Sometimes that will involve compensation.

 

Ummm -   you literally just said he was right, that millions of those billions will go for "compensation".

If you're going to say he's wrong, maybe you should wait at least one post before admitting he's right? Just for appearance's sake?

[herbie]

I said some of the coming decisions may involve compensation, I didn't try to claim natives are being handed a billion dollars in the mentioned case. That was the lie. If you insist on pettiness above actual discussion.

 

[CdnFox]

Just now, herbie said:

I said some of the coming decisions may involve compensation, I didn't try to claim natives are being handed a billion dollars in the mentioned case. That was the lie. If you insist on pettiness above actual discussion.

 

well he did say millions rather than billions and it feels like you're trying to split a hair or two there.  Methinks it's not I who is perhaps being slightly petty

They'll derive a benefit from this deal. So he's "right" in that respect. I thnk that's a little dismissive of the deal without looking at it closely but they will 'pocket' money as a result of this for whatever that's worth

[ExFlyer]

22 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

They should quickly breed more children, so's they can get the money...

They already do...they have nothing else to do but eat drink and make babies LOL

[ExFlyer]

8 hours ago, herbie said:

Like I said you heed to resort to lies trting to make your case.

The billion deollars you ranted about is not going to 'the Indians' as you claim by for species and areas under threat. It was announced along with native dignataries because nothing is going to be done in Canada without input and consultation with the tribes affected ever again.
Sometimes that will involve compensation.

If you don't like that, pick another country to live in. Scratch Australia, New Zealand, the USA and all the countries in S America off your list of choices.

Only you resorts to lies in your defence of the welfare bums that our aboriginals have become.

"nothing is going to be done in Canada without input and consultation with the tribes  is the exact root of the problem. For some reason, the aboriginals seem to think, and we politically correctly, let them control things they have no legal or moral right to.

You are mistaken about scratching those countries=, the natives in those countries assimilate into society or they are back living off the land in the jungle on their own,.... no support.

[OftenWrong]

5 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

They already do...they have nothing else to do but eat drink and make babies LOL

Do you think that if they purposely bred more children, that those children should be entitled to the payout?

[ExFlyer]

19 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Do you think that if they purposely bred more children, that those children should be entitled to the payout?

Nope I do not think they should but they are and do LOL

Take Attawapiskat (in the news the past 5 years or so), their population is more that 1/3 kids under 15. Oh and, there is no work on the reserve.

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2021/dp-pd/prof/details/page.cfm?Lang=E&SearchText=Attawapiskat 91A&DGUIDlist=2021S05101497&GENDERlist=1,2,3&STATISTIClist=1&HEADERlist=0

Edited November 5, 2023 by ExFlyer

[herbie]

6 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Only you resorts to lies in your defence of the welfare bums that our aboriginals have become.

Are you trying to test the mods as to just how disgusting your racist comments can get? They've surpassed anything that gets mere warnings on other sites.

As for fox's splitting hairs, talk about the kettle calling the pot.... at least you'/re playing your usual 'what I read is the opposite of what you wrote' game and not doubling down repeating racist utterings.

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Are you trying to test the mods as to just how disgusting your racist comments can get? They've surpassed anything that gets mere warnings on other sites.

As for fox's splitting hairs, talk about the kettle calling the pot.... at least you'/re playing your usual 'what I read is the opposite of what you wrote' game and not doubling down repeating racist utterings.

Mellow out Herbie.  Calling for mods because you don't like fact is an embarrassment to your position.

I express my opinion based on me physically being on many "reservations" and seeing what the people there do and not do.

Look at the link I provided for Attawapiskat. Nothing racist at all, just actual statistics of a band that has been in the news multiple times, gotten millions of dollars, had corrupt band chiefs and their income is from taxpayers.

Here is another, Clyde River. been there several times. No jobs and no work so, they live of the taxpayer teat. https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2016/dp-pd/prof/details/page.cfm?Lang=E&Geo1=CSD&Code1=6204015&Geo2=PR&Code2=62&SearchText=Clyde River&SearchType=Begins&SearchPR=01&B1=All&GeoLevel=PR&GeoCode=6204015&TABID=1&type=0

I didn't write or make any of that up. No racism, just facts. You got some to dispel? If so, lets see them.

Herbie, defend all you want but the reality hammer keeps missing you LOL

Edited November 5, 2023 by ExFlyer

[herbie]

4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Mellow out Herbie.  Calling for mods because you don't like fact is an embarrassment to your position.

I express my opinion

Why would I have to tell people to do their job? Gave up on that long ago, they just get mad.

Your opinion is based on hand picked 'facts' that point out your racist attitude pretty damn clear. A lot of 'white guys' I know express the same opinion of natives, unaware that they also don't work, have yards full of garbage and cars up on blocks and think piles of empties on the porch are status symbols (look how much "I" drink). The rez is far tidier than the road they live on that's only blocks away.

[ExFlyer]

11 hours ago, herbie said:

Why would I have to tell people to do their job? Gave up on that long ago, they just get mad.

Your opinion is based on hand picked 'facts' that point out your racist attitude pretty damn clear. A lot of 'white guys' I know express the same opinion of natives, unaware that they also don't work, have yards full of garbage and cars up on blocks and think piles of empties on the porch are status symbols (look how much "I" drink). The rez is far tidier than the road they live on that's only blocks away.

No Herbie, not hand picked...google picked. It is really easy to get the statistics. I can go on with many more but hey, that still will not get you to see the reality of the situation.

Herbie, we see what we see.

An example of this is the Tseycum reservation just off the highway 17 in Sydney BC (actually, the highway goes through the reservation). In the middle of very nice houses and clean streets and tidy yards is this reservation that is exactly as you describe "have yards full of garbage and cars up on blocks and think piles of empties on the porch". So no, you are very wrong, it is not "far tidier than the road they lived on only blocks away". Been to that area many times over the years and it just gets more and more disgusting. Sorry, another hand picked fact? No, another reality situation.

So, once again Herbie, your defence of the indigenous is a big FAIL.  "Why would I have to tell people"? Because Herbie, you would have to defend your position on this and not just whine and complain we are picking on the aboriginal welfare bums.

"Federal Indigenous spending, however, continues to grow faster than overall spending. It is projected to rise from about $25 billion in fiscal 2021-22 to about $35.5 billion in 2026-27, an increase of 42 percent in nominal dollars".  https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/indigenous-spending-in-budget-2022

and that is just Federal, not provincial and municipal supporting them

Edited November 6, 2023 by ExFlyer