It tooks 6 months for the Federal Government to replace the ethics commissioner

[QuebecOverCanada]

Between February and August of this year, the position of Ethics Commissioner was left vacant by the current Federal Government;

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ethics-commissioner-vacant-1.6937225

It begs the question; has it changed anything to have no ethics commissioner during those 6 months?

Would a lack of ethics, including corruption scandals and literal abuses of power, warrant a criminal investigation rather than a blame by an ethics commisioner?

Today, French Canadian CBC (Radio-Canada) reveals a scandal from again a Ministry of Francois-Philippe Champagne, a potential bomb for the Liberals. You may use Google Translate for the link below, the Google Translation gives a good translation of the story.

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/info/long-format/2022798/enregistrement-isde-fonctionnaire-champagne-denonciation

Should this story be investigated by the police, or by the Ethics Commission, in your opinion?

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

Between February and August of this year, the position of Ethics Commissioner was left vacant by the current Federal Government;

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ethics-commissioner-vacant-1.6937225

It begs the question; has it changed anything to have no ethics commissioner during those 6 months?

Would a lack of ethics, including corruption scandals and literal abuses of power, warrant a criminal investigation rather than a blame by an ethics commisioner?

Today, French Canadian CBC (Radio-Canada) reveals a scandal from again a Ministry of Francois-Philippe Champagne, a potential bomb for the Liberals. You may use Google Translate for the link below, the Google Translation gives a good translation of the story.

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/info/long-format/2022798/enregistrement-isde-fonctionnaire-champagne-denonciation

Should this story be investigated by the police, or by the Ethics Commission, in your opinion?

Big deal.

They had an interim commissioner and staff to carry on any work. It is not like they closed the entire office and fired everyone.

[OftenWrong]

10 hours ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

It begs the question; has it changed anything to have no ethics commissioner during those 6 months?

PM Turdeau's promises of transparency and sunny ways sure seem a bare-faced lie now. He never was ethical, either before or now. 
But as usual the ones who are the biggest promise makers are nothing but fake posers who dupe voters into believing them.

Fool me once, etc. The PM got elected twice already. Shows what a buncha sad sacs liberals truly are.

[OftenWrong]

9 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Big deal.

They had an interim commissioner and staff to carry on any work. It is not like they closed the entire office and fired everyone.

"On March 27, 2023, Martine Richard was appointed ethics commissioner to replace Mario Dion who resigned a month earlier.[4] In the days after Richard's appointment, opposition parties criticized her appointment to the role, due to her perceived closeness to the government.[5] She is Dominic LeBlanc's sister-in-law.[5] After serving a few weeks in the position, she resigned as commissioner and returned to her previous role as a lawyer in the commissioner's office.[6][25]While the ethics commissioner position is vacant, the office is unable to undertake any investigations."

Liar.

 

[QuebecOverCanada]

22 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Big deal.

They had an interim commissioner and staff to carry on any work. It is not like they closed the entire office and fired everyone.

Uhmmm may you answer this, then, mr. I-don't-care-about-corruption?

12 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

"On March 27, 2023, Martine Richard was appointed ethics commissioner to replace Mario Dion who resigned a month earlier.[4] In the days after Richard's appointment, opposition parties criticized her appointment to the role, due to her perceived closeness to the government.[5] She is Dominic LeBlanc's sister-in-law.[5] After serving a few weeks in the position, she resigned as commissioner and returned to her previous role as a lawyer in the commissioner's office.[6][25]While the ethics commissioner position is vacant, the office is unable to undertake any investigations."

 

 

[QuebecOverCanada]

13 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

PM Turdeau's promises of transparency and sunny ways sure seem a bare-faced lie now. He never was ethical, either before or now. 
But as usual the ones who are the biggest promise makers are nothing but fake posers who dupe voters into believing them.

Fool me once, etc. The PM got elected twice already. Shows what a buncha sad sacs liberals truly are.

A person cheats because it is allowed systematically too, usually. If you are not punished for a criminal act, or if the punishment is just a blame with nothing else, you are actually encouraged to do the same criminal act once more.

Corruption and breaches of ethics are to criminal justice just as frauding a credit card to an individual is. Why wouldn't it be the RCMP and other police authorities that do criminal investigations instead of an ethics committee that do investigations with no real power in the case of politicians?

If you steal someone, you go to jail if you're a citizen, or you at least get a criminal record. If you steal the common pot as a government official, you get a 'blame' that nobody cares about.

The committee clearly does not work, it was a bad idea from the get go. We should have criminal investigations only to address corruption, nothing else.

Edited November 2, 2023 by QuebecOverCanada

[blackbird]

The reason it took six months is simple.  They have no ethics.

[QuebecOverCanada]

16 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The reason it took six months is simple.  They have no ethics.

Yes of course, but also the results of why this ethics committee doesn't work is that it makes sure the government officials are not targetted by criminal investigations, but rather by an ethics committee which sole power is to give blames, rather than criminal records and prison sentences.

The ethics committee has a budget of... $6.5 million a year. It is a big, fat joke.

This ethics committee was designed in the 2000s, and unfortunately missed the target completely, or else, missed on purpose to grant quasi-immunity for the federal government from criminal investigations regarding corruption which are called 'ethics violations'.

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

Uhmmm may you answer this, then, mr. I-don't-care-about-corruption?

 

No. I may not.

 

 

14 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

"On March 27, 2023, Martine Richard was appointed ethics commissioner to replace Mario Dion who resigned a month earlier.[4] In the days after Richard's appointment, opposition parties criticized her appointment to the role, due to her perceived closeness to the government.[5] She is Dominic LeBlanc's sister-in-law.[5] After serving a few weeks in the position, she resigned as commissioner and returned to her previous role as a lawyer in the commissioner's office.[6][25]While the ethics commissioner position is vacant, the office is unable to undertake any investigations."

Liar.

 

Whine away...while investigations may falter, work goes on.

[QuebecOverCanada]

45 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Whine away...while investigations may falter, work goes on.

The work doesn't go on if no investigations are done, plus the Ethics Committee is extremely preposterous for all the reasons I gave in my last posts.

Why are you so keen on defending corruption?

[WestCanMan]

16 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

"On March 27, 2023, Martine Richard was appointed ethics commissioner to replace Mario Dion who resigned a month earlier.[4] In the days after Richard's appointment, opposition parties criticized her appointment to the role, due to her perceived closeness to the government.[5] She is Dominic LeBlanc's sister-in-law.[5] After serving a few weeks in the position, she resigned as commissioner and returned to her previous role as a lawyer in the commissioner's office.[6][25]While the ethics commissioner position is vacant, the office is unable to undertake any investigations."

Liar.

 

It's telling that after he got busted for lying, all he did was click the laugh emoji on your post.

These liberal supporters literally have no shame.

[ExFlyer]

42 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

The work doesn't go on if no investigations are done, plus the Ethics Committee is extremely preposterous for all the reasons I gave in my last posts.

Why are you so keen on defending corruption?

I don't defend, I am just not as !diotic as you. If you actually think nothing goes on, then you are as stupid as your posts.

[OftenWrong]

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Whine away...while investigations may falter, work goes on.

Is that you, Gerry Butts?  

[QuebecOverCanada]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

I don't defend, I am just not as !diotic as you. If you actually think nothing goes on, then you are as stupid as your posts.

Have you made a semblance of coherence pertaining to this thread?

You haven't objected any points any member came forward with to this discussion.

Once again, why are you defending the status quo, which is basically that criminal investigations are avoided, and in place, we get a committee funded $6.5M a year giving blames, sometimes, to literal corrupt politicians in our federal government?

Edited November 2, 2023 by QuebecOverCanada

[QuebecOverCanada]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

It's telling that after he got busted for lying, all he did was click the laugh emoji on your post.

These liberal supporters literally have no shame.

He can laugh all he wants, he will still be the butt of the joke for two reasons.

The first one is the most obvious; corruption is a crime, and defending it publicly is quite comical. It's like someone advocating for murder and then laughing at people for saying we should prosecute murderers. Worse, he's actually a victim of the corruption. His taxes go in the pockets of those who steal us.

He's, in sort, the only chicken in the factory ready to be cut up in pieces advocating for KFC.

The second one is that History remembers the losers of a public debate or a conversation. ExFlyer has no clue that most people don't support the Liberals indiscriminately of what they do. Abuses of power have many consequences, and his party of predilection had less than 20% of the vote only a decade ago.

[Aristides]

Ethics violations are just treated with a slap on the wrist anyway. There is no downside to them other than possible public opinion.

[Army Guy]

There has only been a few MP's that have been held accountable for criminal charges in Canadian history , and ethics breaches why have them if they don't mean anything...Why is it that other government organizations such as RCMP, Military, etc.. must be held to a higher standard but not our elected officials.

Perhaps it is becasue they are above the law...or Canadians don't really care....in a few weeks we will forget and everything will go back to normal...Until we demand change it will remain the same...

[QuebecOverCanada]

7 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Ethics violations are just treated with a slap on the wrist anyway. There is no downside to them other than possible public opinion.

Yet, corruption is a chargeable offense, criminally.

[WestCanMan]

8 minutes ago, Aristides said:

There is no downside to [ethics violations] other than possible public opinion.

CBC and CTV will take care of that. 

[Aristides]

3 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

Yet, corruption is a chargeable offense, criminally.

Corruption is when someone personally profits. Trudeau's ethics violations were not corruption but they were unethical.

Edited November 2, 2023 by Aristides

[QuebecOverCanada]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Corruption is when someone personally profits. 

And Ethics violations make someone personally profit. Ethics violations are corruption. 

You may use euphemism, but corruption is corruption. It is criminal.

Edited November 2, 2023 by QuebecOverCanada

[Aristides]

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

CBC and CTV will take care of that. 

I think Justin's interference with the AG and other violations were a factor in his only getting a minority in the last election.

[Aristides]

3 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

And Ethics violations make someone personally profit. Ethics violations are corruption. 

You may use euphemism, but corruption is corruption. It is criminal.

Some can and some don't. How did JT profit personally from his interference in the SNC Lavalin affair? For it to be corruption you would have to prove he was paid off to do it.

[WestCanMan]

16 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I think Justin's interference with the AG and other violations were a factor in his only getting a minority in the last election.

Unlike the $90K Duffygate affair, in which it turns out Mike Duffy didn't do anything wrong in the first place, CBC didn't make SNC and WE headline news for 3 years. In fact, they stopped talking about them long before the nearest election, even though that wound up being less than one year away.

Trudeau and Mulcair got to look like the champions of Canada, railing against Harper's iniquity for 3 years, because CBC and CTV gave them that airtime. They oohed and ahhed at those sermons to lend them credibility.

There was no airtime given to talk of SNC or WE. The MSM here didn't frame those subsequent elections as "A referendum on Trudeau's ethics violations"... They framed them as referendums on global warming. That's literally what the debates were about. "Who here thinks that they can grovel for Greta better than anyone else?"

It was a lesson in red herringing an entire country. (Book it, Oxford, Collier, Webster, Thorndike...)

Edited November 2, 2023 by WestCanMan

[Aristides]

Stop playing the victim.