WestCanMan Posted May 8 Report Posted May 8 19 hours ago, Moonbox said: No, I can see that you responded to a yes or no question with a full-page of storytelling, dumb-beyond-belief analogy, and ridiculous projection about my motivation and tone. If you think that's a "yes or no question" then you're simply an idjit. Answering "yes" would be completely whacked... It was basically a "no or no question". 1 Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
WestCanMan Posted May 8 Report Posted May 8 16 hours ago, Moonbox said: If reasonable limits exist, actions can exceed them If actions can exceed them, they can be criticized Therefore criticism is =/ supporting the opponent You're ignoring the core issue here, so you will never understand the scope and importance of Israel's objectives. 1 Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
Moonbox Posted May 8 Report Posted May 8 15 hours ago, User said: Holy shit, so... days ago I clearly said you could criticize Israel, Again: 16 hours ago, Moonbox said: You deliberately evaded the core question and instead answered the downstream implication. You evaded the whole point of the question. I was asking if reasonable limits could be applied to Israel's response. It was a really simple question, and it only required a yes or no answer, but you squealed and raged against it for days instead of answering and allowing us to move on. 🤣 15 hours ago, User said: I do not merely say ANY criticism of Israel means people support Hamas. You claim that, except you reframe any criticism, or questions/scrutiny of Israel that you encounter as support from Hamas, so what's that claim really worth? You know that as a matter of logic, this doesn't stand, but you do it anyway: 15 hours ago, User said: That when your criticism comes across as there is nothing Israel can do to fight this war to stop Hamas as anything they do will result in what you are criticizing them for and demanding they stop... the end result is that Hamas stays in power, they keep killing Israeli people, keep waging terror against them daily... because OMG, if Israel fights back, they might kill a child that Hamas is hiding behind. Except none of the above is based on anything I've said. You've assigned motives and beliefs on me that I've never held or expressed and that exist solely in your head. You need me to be a ridiculous Hamas supporter and to absurdly deny Israel's right to defend itself for anything you're saying to make any sense. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
User Posted May 8 Report Posted May 8 49 minutes ago, Moonbox said: 19 hours ago, Moonbox said: You evaded the whole point of the question. I was asking if reasonable limits could be applied to Israel's response. It was a really simple question, and it only required a yes or no answer, but you squealed and raged against it for days instead of answering and allowing us to move on. 🤣 Evaded?! No, I responded to it, just not HOW you wanted, and speaking of evade, you just ignored the meat of my response where I pointed out that I did respond to the entire point you were trying to make anyhow! And you sit here lying again, that it was you who ran like the coward you are, never explaining you didn’t like the HOW just saying I didn’t answer when I did. Your entire point came down to the part of the question I didn’t answer explicitly, regarding if you can criticize Israel! So I did answer the point of your question the whole time. You chose to play this dumb dishonest game instead, just as you continue now. 53 minutes ago, Moonbox said: You claim that, except you reframe any criticism, or questions/scrutiny of Israel that you encounter as support from Hamas, so what's that claim really worth? I don’t reframe any criticism that way. You are making a hasty generalization. You continue to dodge this for yourself as well. I have given you the chance, asked you, to explain your criticism and you keep avoiding that like the coward you are. Gee, I wonder why. 55 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Except none of the above is based on anything I've said. You've assigned motives and beliefs on me that I've never held or expressed and that exist solely in your head. You need me to be a ridiculous Hamas supporter and to absurdly deny Israel's right to defend itself for anything you're saying to make any sense. Which is why you keep hiding from my questions? Quote
WestCanMan Posted May 8 Report Posted May 8 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: Again: You evaded the whole point of the question. I was asking if reasonable limits could be applied to Israel's response. It was a really simple question, and it only required a yes or no answer, but you squealed and raged against it for days instead of answering and allowing us to move on. 🤣 To the Japanese, economic warfare is warfare, so technically Trump is at war with Canada. Theoretically we would retaliate at a similar level, but Carney tried, and he got a public spanking in the WH for it. Would nuking NYC be a reasonable counter-attack, based on Trump's actions? No. Sending tanks in? No. Russia and Ukraine are attacking each other using similar weaponry. Both sides make similar claims about war crimes from the other. Who nows? In the ME, the stated goal of Hamas and the IRGC is genocide against Israel, going back 47 years they have been repeating it, and they all celebrate when they see small Israeli children killed, so it's believable. That means that Israel is fighting to prevent genocide. They get a bit of latitude when you take that into account, right? Moonie: Do you believe that Hamas and the IRGC are dedicated to genocide against Israeli? Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
User Posted May 8 Report Posted May 8 27 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Moonie: Do you believe that Hamas and the IRGC are dedicated to genocide against Israeli? Hell, the problem isn’t if he does or not, it’s that even if he does, his position comes down to Israel has to live with it and the daily terror attacks and constant looming threat, because they can’t respond perfectly enough. 1 Quote
Moonbox Posted May 8 Report Posted May 8 33 minutes ago, User said: Evaded?! No, I responded to it, just not HOW you wanted, and speaking of evade, you just ignored the meat of my response where I pointed out that I did respond to the entire point you were trying to make anyhow! No, you responded to the back half of the question - the easy and conditional corollary - ignoring the whole point of the question. You squealed and complained and went pages refusing to answer a simple yes or no question. 39 minutes ago, User said: I don’t reframe any criticism that way. You are making a hasty generalization. Except it's not a generalization. It's demonstrable and you keep doing it: 39 minutes ago, User said: That when your criticism comes across as there is nothing Israel can do to fight this war to stop Hamas as anything they do will result in what you are criticizing them for and demanding they stop... the end result is that Hamas stays in power, they keep killing Israeli people, keep waging terror against them daily... because OMG, if Israel fights back, they might kill a child that Hamas is hiding behind. The above is absolute nonsense. It's your imagination, and your need for a dumb strawman to debate, because you're not smart enough or honest enough to debate in good faith. 44 minutes ago, User said: Which is why you keep hiding from my questions? What question was that, again? Maybe I'll answer it if you ask me a dozen times...after I give you some retarded analogies about firefighters etc... Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
User Posted May 8 Report Posted May 8 14 minutes ago, Moonbox said: 1 hour ago, User said: No, you responded to the back half of the question - the easy and conditional corollary - ignoring the whole point of the question. You squealed and complained and went pages refusing to answer a simple yes or no question. Again: Your own logical argument was based on the explicit answer I did give to the question. Proving this was nothing more than a stupid dishonest game you played after lying and being a coward running away initially. 15 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Except it's not a generalization. It's demonstrable and you keep doing it: Doing it to you isn’t proof of my always doing it to everyone… Furthermore, when it proves accurate… 16 minutes ago, Moonbox said: The above is absolute nonsense. It's your imagination, and your need for a dumb strawman to debate, because you're not smart enough or honest enough to debate in good faith. Except once again, you refuse to actually respond to the point, you just ignore it. If you don’t support Hamas, then how exactly is Israel supposed to respond to what they did on October 7th? 19 minutes ago, Moonbox said: What question was that, again? Maybe I'll answer it if you ask me a dozen times...after I give you some retarded analogies about firefighters etc... What makes it retarded? Let’s see your response. Quote
Moonbox Posted May 8 Report Posted May 8 52 minutes ago, User said: Doing it to you isn’t proof of my always doing it to everyone… I can prove that you've done it multiple times to multiple people in just the last few pages of this thread alone. 🤣 55 minutes ago, User said: Except once again, you refuse to actually respond to the point, you just ignore it. No, I'm mocking your point and your objectively retarded reasoning: 55 minutes ago, User said: That when your criticism comes across as there is nothing Israel can do to fight this war to stop Hamas as anything they do will result in what you are criticizing them for and demanding they stop... the end result is that Hamas stays in power, they keep killing Israeli people, keep waging terror against them daily... because OMG, if Israel fights back, they might kill a child that Hamas is hiding behind. Not only do you present an absurd dichotomy of choices that simply doesn't exist, you're also projecting opinions and ideas that nobody here has expressed...other than you. 1 hour ago, User said: What makes it retarded? Let’s see your response. You can't see how comparing firefighters rescuing people from burning buildings, to air strikes and 2000 lb bombs being dropped on buildings, is not the brilliant analogy you thought it would be? Really?? Yikes. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
WestCanMan Posted May 8 Report Posted May 8 (edited) Moonie is just another left4rd who fully supports Hamas and the IRGC but lacks the capacity to understand what that truly means: Moonie supports an eventual full and complete genocide against every last Jew in Israel Moonie supports terrorist attacks, like the one where women were r4ped and killed, and babies were burned to death in ovens Moonie supports the sinking of tankers just to help keep the ayatollah in power Moonie supports the floggings and jailing of women for not wearing their hijabs, by supporting the ayatollah He may or may not know it, but ^that's^ what he supports. Edited May 8 by WestCanMan Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
User Posted May 8 Report Posted May 8 29 minutes ago, Moonbox said: I can prove that you've done it multiple times to multiple people in just the last few pages of this thread alone. 🤣 Do you really not grasp what a hasty generalization is? 30 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Not only do you present an absurd dichotomy of choices that simply doesn't exist, you're also projecting opinions and ideas that nobody here has expressed...other than you. What were the absurd dichotomy of choices and why are they absurd? This is the dumb game you and others on here play. You say you don’t support Hamas… but at the end of the day almost all of your criticism is against Israel fighting a war to stop them and like you are doing now, you refuse to clarify and be explicit on how Israel is supposed to fight this war. The outcome is that you effectively want Israel to do little to nothing other than live with the constant daily terrorism that killed their people. Again, for the millionth time, explain to us how exactly you approve of Israel fighting this war to stop Hamas. 33 minutes ago, Moonbox said: You can't see how comparing firefighters rescuing people from burning buildings, to air strikes and 2000 lb bombs being dropped on buildings, is not the brilliant analogy you thought it would be? Really?? Yikes. It’s an analogy. The point was to highlight the motives behind your criticism and desired outcome, which you ignored. You don’t have to think fighting fires is the same thing. The point was, sure, you can criticize Israel making mistakes, maybe some of their choices, but at the end of the day, if you fundamentally oppose what they are doing, the motivations of that is no longer just mere healthy criticism, it’s you opposing them and… defacto supporting Hamas. So, AGAIN, do you support Israel fighting a war against Hamas? Like the firefighters… even though they may not deploy the hose lines the best way, maybe they were too aggressive in smashing the windows out on your car parked in front of of the fire hydrant, and they could have been more careful carrying your family out to safety… BUT did you still support them putting the fire out at all? Trying to save your family at all? You see, the point is you can criticize them, but if your criticism is ultimately that no, you think they shouldn’t have been there to put that fire out at all… 1 hour ago, User said: Again: Your own logical argument was based on the explicit answer I did give to the question. Proving this was nothing more than a stupid dishonest game you played after lying and being a coward running away initially. Did you forget this part or are you running like the coward you are again? Quote
eyeball Posted May 9 Report Posted May 9 On 5/7/2026 at 12:02 AM, User said: Its funny how you folks say you do not support Hamas, but your criticism only seems to go one way, You've certainly heard me say many times that members of Hamas who commit war crimes should be prosecuted. When's the last time that happened to a member of the IDF? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted May 9 Report Posted May 9 On 5/7/2026 at 10:25 AM, WestCanMan said: And then he tells us how he can identify with them because of the Massacre at Glencoe. 300 years ago 🤣 25 people, none of whom he can name. Yeah, ok eyeball, you sit there between Saul and Osama and share your tales of grief. Given three to six degrees of seperation every human being on Earth is capable of identifying with others Shoe size has fùck all to do with it. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
WestCanMan Posted May 9 Report Posted May 9 6 minutes ago, eyeball said: You've certainly heard me say many times that members of Hamas who commit war crimes should be prosecuted. When's the last time that happened to a member of the IDF? So what if YOU are saying that Hamas terrorists should be prosecuted. Do the ayatollah or Hamas say that? Have they ever criminally indicted anyone? Not at all. They reward that type of behaviour. They cultivate it. There were 3 criminal indictments against IDF soldiers in this war and 1 conviction. Eyeball: Hamas terrorists filmed their own war crimes, where they killed women and children by hand, up close and personal. Those events were universally celebrated in Gaza. they weren't viewed as crimes. They r4ped women before they killed them. They tortured and killed children.Gazans: "WHOOP WHOOP 🥳🎉" Did you not see the video of the woman who was r4ped and murdered, and then was rolled around town in just her panties, while kids were spitting her corpse? That was a party atmosphere. It was joyous. Those people experienced glee while spitting on a r4ped and murdered woman. How does that not register with you? When members of Hamas commit a "war crime", and they kill people, they don't get punished for it, they are rewarded for it. If they die while committing a terrorist attack that would land an IDF soldier in prison, they earn a pension for their families. There are people in the IDF that do bad things, but they are the exception to the rule. People that do extremely evil things within Hamas are heroes in all of Gaza. You're projecting a level of humanity on Gazans that they simply do not have. Muslims in Stria, Egypt, Lebanon and Jordan all know that. If you went to a kindergarten where you were taught to hate and murder, you would be a different person. A "Gazan". And FYI there's no such thing as a "sharing is caring " kindergarten in Gaza. They are not raised like that. They are inculcated with the desire to torture and kill. To them, the word "inhumane" means "showing kindness to Jews". Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
User Posted May 9 Report Posted May 9 24 minutes ago, eyeball said: You've certainly heard me say many times that members of Hamas who commit war crimes should be prosecuted. When's the last time that happened to a member of the IDF? Yes. You say this, but it is empty words as you support no means to bring anyone to justice. Quote
eyeball Posted May 9 Report Posted May 9 9 hours ago, WestCanMan said: If you think that's a "yes or no question" then you're simply an idjit. Answering "yes" would be completely whacked... It was basically a "no or no question". To be sure though, criticism of Israel was quite routinely equated with anti-Semitism long long long before Oct 7. You want to know a really flabbergasting question? How did billions of human beings around the world seemingly become anti-Semites since Oct 7? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted May 9 Report Posted May 9 15 minutes ago, User said: Yes. You say this, but it is empty words as you support no means to bring anyone to justice. That's not true. I've explained why before and I will again. One really good reason for supporting Palestinian statehood is that countries that have grievances against Palestinians could use the more ordinary means that officially recognized peoples use to settle their differences amongst themselves. In the meantime are you going to answer my question or you know, just run away from it? I'm aware of one conviction and two pending cases myself if it helps. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted May 9 Report Posted May 9 12 minutes ago, eyeball said: To be sure though, criticism of Israel was quite routinely equated with anti-Semitism long long long before Oct 7. Yes, historically it has been very common for people on the left to try and dismiss their blatant antisemitism as merely being a criticism of government policy. It very clearly is not in most cases. Those claiming that it is almost always our anti-semites who want to pretend that somehow they're the victim Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
eyeball Posted May 9 Report Posted May 9 28 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: You're projecting a level of humanity on Gazans that they simply do not have. I asked a group of Israelis I had out on the boat one day looking at at some 500 sealions on a rock and asked if there were any herds of wild animals like this in Israel? Gazans was the reply. It was pretty clear the rest my passengers didn't get it. Anti-Semitic racists I guess... Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted May 9 Report Posted May 9 (edited) 17 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Those claiming that it is almost always our anti-semites who want to pretend that somehow they're the victim It's pretty clear some are less willing to buy the accusation of anti-Semitism and some have gone to court over it but it's not surprising I guess that the lawfare battlefield is very heavily dominated by cases against institutions and governments for failing to do anything about anti-Semitism. Predictably there's been a surge in both types of lawsuits since Oct 7. Interestingly both Einstein and Netanyahu said it would go global. Edited May 9 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
User Posted May 9 Report Posted May 9 31 minutes ago, eyeball said: That's not true. I've explained why before and I will again. One really good reason for supporting Palestinian statehood is that countries that have grievances against Palestinians could use the more ordinary means that officially recognized peoples use to settle their differences amongst themselves. In the meantime are you going to answer my question or you know, just run away from it? I'm aware of one conviction and two pending cases myself if it helps. Palestine statehood? The issue was, you support no means to bring anyone in Hamas to Justice. It’s empty words. Now you instead want to give them a state. Quote
eyeball Posted May 9 Report Posted May 9 (edited) 15 minutes ago, User said: The issue was, you support no means to bring anyone in Hamas to Justice. I gave you a means. 15 minutes ago, User said: Now you instead want to give them a state. So other states have better more productive means by which to bring people to justice. What do mean instead? That's been the deal since the beginning. Edited May 9 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
User Posted May 9 Report Posted May 9 14 minutes ago, eyeball said: I gave you a means. So other states have better more productive means by which to bring people to justice. What do mean instead? That's been the deal since the beginning. Once again, as I said, you offer nothing but empty words and instead want to reward the terrorists. Quote
eyeball Posted May 9 Report Posted May 9 17 minutes ago, User said: Once again, as I said, you offer nothing but empty words... Empty of what? 18 minutes ago, User said: and instead want to reward the terrorists. Irgun, Lehi and Haganah were rewarded with a state. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
User Posted May 9 Report Posted May 9 36 minutes ago, eyeball said: Empty of what? Irgun, Lehi and Haganah were rewarded with a state. Empty words like always. You have offered nothing that shows how you bring Hamas to Justice, instead you want to give them a state. Quote
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