Israel Orders Evacuation of North Gaza

[Rebound]

Israel has ordered all Palestinians to evacuate the northern half of Gaza, affecting about 50% of Gaza’s population of 2 million. Hamas has ordered civilians not to comply. 
 

map courtesy of NY Times.

[CdnFox]

Well played by isreal.  Now if civvies get hurt they can claim they had fair warning to leave.  And if the un says they didn't give enough time they can claim it would have been if hamas hadn't told people to stay put. And even if only half try to flee it's going to cripple the transport infrastructure and hamas is going to have it's hands full trying to move supplies and hide behind people

And right about now the rumors will be flying there -  hamas wants us to stay as human shields - no the isrealies want us to go so we're all in one place so they can drop just one nuke, no were' being sold into slavery to fund the war, no they're going to test a new viral weapon on us developed in the wuhan labs....

Bet they extend it at the last mintue for an extra 24 hours, just to be 'fair'  

I think palestine and hamas bit off waaaaay more than they can chew this time and i doubt there's going to be a gaza strip when this is done

[Rebound]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well played by isreal.  Now if civvies get hurt they can claim they had fair warning to leave.  And if the un says they didn't give enough time they can claim it would have been if hamas hadn't told people to stay put. And even if only half try to flee it's going to cripple the transport infrastructure and hamas is going to have it's hands full trying to move supplies and hide behind people

And right about now the rumors will be flying there -  hamas wants us to stay as human shields - no the isrealies want us to go so we're all in one place so they can drop just one nuke, no were' being sold into slavery to fund the war, no they're going to test a new viral weapon on us developed in the wuhan labs....

Bet they extend it at the last mintue for an extra 24 hours, just to be 'fair'  

I think palestine and hamas bit off waaaaay more than they can chew this time and i doubt there's going to be a gaza strip when this is done

Israel doesn’t want civilian deaths, and civilian deaths cause harm to Israel.  Ordering 1 million to evacuate is a very tough step to take, so it’s no wonder that Netanyahu has added opposition leaders to his war cabinet.  
 

You like to oversimplify. If this situation were simple it would have been resolved a long time ago.  I’ve talked to a lot of Israelis over the years and they just want peace.  Their preference is for the Palestinians to live peacefully in their territories. 

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Israel doesn’t want civilian deaths, and civilian deaths cause harm to Israel.  Ordering 1 million to evacuate is a very tough step to take, so it’s no wonder that Netanyahu has added opposition leaders to his war cabinet.  
 

Sure - but if that was his only goal he'd have given more time.

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You like to oversimplify. If this situation were simple it would have been resolved a long time ago.  I’ve talked to a lot of Israelis over the years and they just want peace.  Their preference is for the Palestinians to live peacefully in their territories. 

Not today it isn't.

[Rebound]

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Sure - but if that was his only goal he'd have given more time.

Not today it isn't.

I don’t think you understand that the purpose of war is to accomplish a political objective. The ultimate objective here is peaceful coexistence with the Palestinians. 
 

Israel was mortal enemies with Jordan and Egypt, and now they have peace.  That is the goal here. It is not to dehumanize Muslims or Palestinians and wipe out their population. 
 

In Gaza, Hamas are 100% civilians. My guess is that Israel will send clear messages to the Palestinians that if you remain in Northern Gaza, you will be considered a member of Hamas and treated as a combatant. Then they will go house to house and find all their tunnels and all their other crap and destroy it all.  After that, I don’t know how long Israel will occupy Northern Gaza. Maybe for years.  

Edited October 13, 2023 by Rebound

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

Israel has ordered all Palestinians to evacuate the northern half of Gaza, affecting about 50% of Gaza’s population of 2 million. Hamas has ordered civilians not to comply. 
 

map courtesy of NY Times.

Apparently most Palestinians support Hamas, so I don't expect many to leave. 

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

Israel doesn’t want civilian deaths, and civilian deaths cause harm to Israel.  Ordering 1 million to evacuate is a very tough step to take, so it’s no wonder that Netanyahu has added opposition leaders to his war cabinet.  
 

You like to oversimplify. If this situation were simple it would have been resolved a long time ago.  I’ve talked to a lot of Israelis over the years and they just want peace.  Their preference is for the Palestinians to live peacefully in their territories. 

I get that the Israelis just want peace, it's just that they're not going to get it. Their neighbor's government wants them eradicated. It's hard to negotiate anything with your neighbors when they just want you dead. 

[Rebound]

13 minutes ago, Deluge said:

I get that the Israelis just want peace, it's just that they're not going to get it. Their neighbor's government wants them eradicated. It's hard to negotiate anything with your neighbors when they just want you dead. 

Let’s say there are three options:

1) Forget it ever happened and leave the Palestinians alone;

2) Kill all 2 million people in Gaza;

3) Something in-between and hope for eventual peace. 

We agree that #3 is the path Israel will take. As you can see, this is not an issue where I am a bleeding heart liberal.  The Palestinians have always played this “We’re innocent civilians!” game, and it’s just that.  It’s the Palestinians who integrate their army and civilian populations 100%.  That is their deliberate choice and it’s barbaric.  But killing 2 million is not the right solution either. 

[Deluge]

10 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Let’s say there are three options:

1) Forget it ever happened and leave the Palestinians alone;

2) Kill all 2 million people in Gaza;

3) Something in-between and hope for eventual peace. 

We agree that #3 is the path Israel will take. As you can see, this is not an issue where I am a bleeding heart liberal.  The Palestinians have always played this “We’re innocent civilians!” game, and it’s just that.  It’s the Palestinians who integrate their army and civilian populations 100%.  That is their deliberate choice and it’s barbaric.  But killing 2 million is not the right solution either. 

Israel is doing it right. They've given advance warning before they roll in. They're not f*cking around this time. Hamas is going down, and if they have to erase Palestine to do it, then so be it. 

[Rebound]

7 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Israel is doing it right. They've given advance warning before they roll in. They're not f*cking around this time. Hamas is going down, and if they have to erase Palestine to do it, then so be it. 

Israel is not going to “erase Palestine.”  This is not a TV show.  These are human beings. 

[Aristides]

12 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Israel is doing it right. They've given advance warning before they roll in. They're not f*cking around this time. Hamas is going down, and if they have to erase Palestine to do it, then so be it. 

Seems your hero disagrees.

 

https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2023/10/12/trump-praises-hezbollah-as-very-smart-and-criticizes-netanyahu-amid-israel-war/

 

[Deluge]

37 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Israel is not going to “erase Palestine.”  This is not a TV show.  These are human beings. 

When I say "erase", I mean erase the border, as in take it over. 

See, I'm not an abortion activist like you are - I'm not comfortable with the idea of death and murder and senseless mass slaughter; I leave that comfort level with Islamic terrorists and democrat leftists. 

[Deluge]

34 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Seems your hero disagrees.

 

https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2023/10/12/trump-praises-hezbollah-as-very-smart-and-criticizes-netanyahu-amid-israel-war/

 

You see, pervert, we're not like the liberal hive mind. We're allowed to have differing opinions and still be aligned politically.

 

[Rebound]

3 hours ago, Deluge said:

You see, pervert, we're not like the liberal hive mind. We're allowed to have differing opinions and still be aligned politically.

 

No you are not. 

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, Rebound said:

No you are not. 

Actually that really is one of the big differences - the LEFT is not but the right absolutely is

[ironstone]

How can Hamas be stopped when they are indoctrinating children from the start?

"We can forgive you for killing our children, but we can never forgive you for making us kill your children" ( Golda Meir)

 

[herbie]

But, but, but it's impossible to move a whole what, 20 kms in only 24 hours ! The people are so poor and downtrodden they can't even afford shoes....

[Deluge]

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

No you are not. 

Over here, leftoid. That's your mirror you're talking to. 

Yes I am.

[reason10]

9 hours ago, Rebound said:

Israel has ordered all Palestinians to evacuate the northern half of Gaza, affecting about 50% of Gaza’s population of 2 million. Hamas has ordered civilians not to comply. 
 

map courtesy of NY Times.

Those alleged "civilians" voted to let Hamas call the shots. They are no less responsible than the Japanese people who elected the leadership that attacked Pearl Harbor. If Netanyahu NUKES that strip, those people deserve it. They have Jewish blood on their hands.

Because Netanyahu is much saner than the rag heads that Obama and Biden gave BILLIONS of dollars to, he will recognize that a nuke event will trigger World War Three. He probably won't do it.

Those rag heads deserve much worse. BABIES were beheaded.

[robosmith]

13 hours ago, Deluge said:

You see, pervert, we're not like the liberal hive mind. We're allowed to have differing opinions and still be aligned politically.

 

Only because Trump doesn't know nor care about what you write here. AKA, you have ZERO influence and don't even show up on the political radar.

[Guest]

19 hours ago, Rebound said:

Their preference is for the Palestinians to live peacefully in their territories. 

Which is impossible with extremist groups calling the shots within them. This cycle of violence will continue.

Funds will be amassed, and future attacks will be orchestrated.

This will be their life, as long as groups like Hamas are allowed to breathe.

The death and desperation in those regions, are a breeding ground for extremism. Money talks. If there is no money there, yet extremist groups pay 14USD per hour or something that makes any other job pale in comparison, you will be loyal to such a person and willing to die for them.

I just don't see how you rid yourself of it until every militant is killed.

[Rebound]

4 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Which is impossible with extremist groups calling the shots within them. This cycle of violence will continue.

Funds will be amassed, and future attacks will be orchestrated.

This will be their life, as long as groups like Hamas are allowed to breathe.

The death and desperation in those regions, are a breeding ground for extremism. Money talks. If there is no money there, yet extremist groups pay 14USD per hour or something that makes any other job pale in comparison, you will be loyal to such a person and willing to die for them.

I just don't see how you rid yourself of it until every militant is killed.

Yes and No.

It is more complex and nuanced than that. Israel will certainly win this war. The challenge is whether they will win the peace, or whether this cycle will repeat itself.  

Edited October 14, 2023 by Rebound

[reason10]

7 hours ago, robosmith said:

Only because Trump doesn't know nor care about what you write here. AKA, you have ZERO influence and don't even show up on the political radar.

Neither do you, Adolf. Nobody cares about your Fourth Reich bullsheet.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

It is more complex and nuanced than that.

I don't really think its all that complex at all. I see it similarly to ISIS.

To drug cartels in Mexico.

The situation in Gaza, is a breeding ground for extremism.

You can kill all Hamas terrorists. If the situation there remains the same, where they live in the closest version that you could get to an open air prison masquerading as an actual city, you will only get this to happen, again.

Consequences do little to stop behaviors from people who feel they don't have a choice.

Only thing you can then truly control, is the size and influence, by stamping out any growth, like trying to take out a cockroach infestation. 

You are then forced to accept, you can only firmly control it.

Let your guard down--you're back to square one until again, you fix the root of the issue.

This is all PR, to show their country that they messed up. They know they dropped the ball, and this is showing them they will make the enemy pay in order to regain its confidence.

A full investigation on what went wrong  to regain its trust.

[Deluge]

9 hours ago, robosmith said:

Only because Trump doesn't know nor care about what you write here. AKA, you have ZERO influence and don't even show up on the political radar.

It doesn't matter. We're STILL politically aligned and completely free of the left-wing hive mnd.