Should Hamas support rallies in Canada be stopped?

[taxme]

On 10/27/2023 at 2:09 PM, blackbird said:

A proven antisemite speaks.  Totally ignorant of history and refuses to read any history or any facts.  Israel is an internationally recognized nation.  Israel has a right to defend itself against terrorists whose only reason for being is to kill Israelis.  Why would any country in their right mind be willing to just sit back and let a terrorist organization rebuild and prepare more genocidal attacks against it's people?  

Arabs are semites also. So, what's your point?  So, just because someone dares to question or challenge anything that has to do with Judaism or Israel,  they are automatically deemed to be anti-semite, eh? Why do you think that you know all, but others do not? And just how would you know if what you are reading and listening to are the real facts at all? Maybe you are being fed bullshit? Hey, we never know, eh? ?

On 10/27/2023 at 2:10 PM, CdnFox said:

Well no, i did not say that actually. Linda From said that. It was her tweet.  I was more interested in the ralley.

 

Sorry - is your claim that simply SHOOTING women and babies which there is plenty of proof of GOOD PR for hamas? Are you trying to say what they did would be fine and perfectly accepted if it wasn't for beheading babies?

What the HELL is wrong with you?

 

Nope.. the palestinians, who are 100 percent complicit in their gov'ts actions - are unfortunately having to bear the consequences of the war their gov't started.

I suppose you could argue that hamas has lead them to this place so they're sort of victims of hamas starting this war, but really they knew what hamas was over the last decades.

 

Isreal did not cross the border and kill 1400 civillians and start a war. Gaza did. Now israel is going to finish that war. 

Lesson here is if you don't want to get crushed in a war with israel, don't start wars with israel.

 

[taxme]

On 10/27/2023 at 2:10 PM, CdnFox said:

Well no, i did not say that actually. Linda From said that. It was her tweet.  I was more interested in the ralley.

 

Sorry - is your claim that simply SHOOTING women and babies which there is plenty of proof of GOOD PR for hamas? Are you trying to say what they did would be fine and perfectly accepted if it wasn't for beheading babies?

What the HELL is wrong with you?

 

Nope.. the palestinians, who are 100 percent complicit in their gov'ts actions - are unfortunately having to bear the consequences of the war their gov't started.

I suppose you could argue that hamas has lead them to this place so they're sort of victims of hamas starting this war, but really they knew what hamas was over the last decades.

 

Isreal did not cross the border and kill 1400 civillians and start a war. Gaza did. Now israel is going to finish that war. 

Lesson here is if you don't want to get crushed in a war with israel, don't start wars with israel.

Who is Linda From? 

Israel is blowing up buildings that are killing innocent Palestinian women and children in Gaza. What the hell is wrong with you? Are you trying to say that it is alright for Israel to blow up innocent Palestinian women and children because they feel they are justified to do so? What the hell is wrong with you? 

Not all Palestinians are being complicit in their governments actions. That is all bullshit and you know it. What the hell is wrong with you? 

Israel has been bombing the hell out of the Palestinian people for decades now. What the hell is wrong with you? Israel always wanted to get rid of all the Palestinian people if they could, and which they are trying to do today. Over 10,000 Palestinians dead to date. What the hell is wrong with you? 

Israel knows that it can do whatever it wants to against the Palestinians because they know that they have the sucker American taxpayer to back them up. America gives billions in aid and weapons to Israel when needed. Some Americans are saying enough already. Stop aiding Israel. What the hell is the matter with you? 

[taxme]

On 10/27/2023 at 3:00 PM, CdnFox said:

Oh - forgot to mention....  isreal is believed to have about 400 nukes. So maybe those arabs you mentioned should be damn thankful that isreal has some non nuclear options, or i suspect prettty fast theyd' be glowing in the dark.

So, Israel has 400 nukes at it's disposal but gets all pizzed off when Iran wants to have their own nukes. What in the fkn hell does Israel need to have 400 nukes in it's arsenal for? Are they planning one day to try and bomb the whole Arab world or any other country that stands in it's aggression ways? For a small country like Israel, doesn't that appear to be a bit much for any small country to have? How did that ever happen? I guess that Israel must always say thank gawd for America, for without America, we would be out of here. ?

[WestCanMan]

11 minutes ago, taxme said:

Arabs are semites also.

Leftists make up words that are senseless (anti-Semitic, homophobic), re-brand words that are in use to mean something else entirely (anti-vaxer, vaccine), cancel words that they don't like (rape, pedophile) to replace them with meaningless words (sexual assault which is so broad that's devoid of meaning, or minor-attracted person), etc.

 Yes, Semites are people of Saudi ethnic origin, and I think that the Jews chose that word themselves because referring to them as 'Semites' ties their DNA to the ME region, and not to Europe.

 

It seems like it makes no sense to call Arabs anti-Semitic, but it essentially means that when Arabs discriminate against Jews, they are discriminating against people with actual DNA ties to that land.

5 minutes ago, taxme said:

So, Israel has 400 nukes at it's disposal but gets all pizzed off when Iran wants to have their own nukes. 

No one doubts that Iran would use them. 

[herbie]

How come nobody's pointed out that Harper made a law against demonstrations this and the Liberals scrapped it just because it violated every standard in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms?

It's all Trudeau's fault!

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

I see a lot of religious people refer to doing things the way they do because it's god's will.  You're real outlier it seems with the vast majority of other Christians. I see even the Catholics are twigging to the EOT.

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/yes-were-in-the-end-times

Do you think it's sinful to try and be an agent of prophetic fulfillment?  It's sort of up there with building a tower to heaven isn't it?  I mean I get it that politicians would go with the flow and it sure seems the final battle will also settle all the issues you have with the left wing.  Surely that's got to count for something.  

Of course I believe in doing things because some things are in accordance with what God teaches.   I don't like the phrase "Gods' will";  it sounds a bit like a phrase used in Islam.  That's not exactly how a Christian lives.  Christians live by grace.  There are obviously things in the ten commandments and Bible that nobody should do.  Don't think you can deny that.

I don't think Christians are called to be an "agent of prophetic fulfillment".  That sounds kind of strange.  I have never met a Christian who said he was being an agent of prophetic fulfillment.  Never heard of it.

Yes, I think we are in the last days or end times.  Are you ready? 

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Half of evangelicals support Israel because they believe it is important for fulfilling end-times prophecy

I think they support Israel because that is what the Bible teaches going back several thousand years.  As I said, I don't think supporting them brings a fulfillment of prophecy.  Prophecy of the future will be fulfilled regardless of what someone does or doesn't do.

[blackbird]

55 minutes ago, taxme said:

Arabs are semites also. So, what's your point? 

We know Arabs are semites too.   But when speaking about antisemitism, everyone know it's referring to the Jews.  That is a no-brainer.  Why pretend it doesn't exist in a major way?  It has been going on for 1,500 years or more.  Do you think the Nazis and all the antisemitism in the world refers to the Arabs too?  Seriously!

55 minutes ago, taxme said:

So, just because someone dares to question or challenge anything that has to do with Judaism or Israel,  they are automatically deemed to be anti-semite, eh?

Where have you had your head?  Antisemitism against the Jews is widespread in the world and has been for at least 1,500 years.   Why pretend it is uncommon?  The U.N. is full of countries that are antisemitic and anti-Israel.  That is a proven fact.  The mainstream media is not particularly supportive of Israel either.  In fact the liberal party and Canadian government has a history of not supporting the Jews very well.  Quite a few died in the Holocaust from the motor vessel St. Louis that Canada turned away around 1939.  But it was easy for former Nazis to immigrate into Canada after WW2.

 

55 minutes ago, taxme said:

And just how would you know if what you are reading and listening to are the real facts at all? Maybe you are being fed bullshit?

The same could be said about yourself.  How do you know?  I have lots of evidence for what I believe.  History is pretty strong evidence.  I don't think you have any.

Edited October 31, 2023 by blackbird

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Literally everything is disputed there. What’s the point?

If I'm wrong then it would be for my education...if your busy then i understand, what i don't understand is the chirping.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Yes, I think we are in the last days or end times.  Are you ready? 

Yup. Mom was kinda like Sarah Connor in the Terminator. She left us a big cache of stuff in her bunker. Freeze dried food, seeds, medical supplies, grenade launchers, assault rifles that sort of thing. Mom liked to be prepared for the worst.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Yup. Mom was kinda like Sarah Connor in the Terminator. She left us a big cache of stuff in her bunker. Freeze dried food, seeds, medical supplies, grenade launchers, assault rifles that sort of thing. Mom liked to be prepared for the worst.

That was probably there to hide from you ?

[eyeball]

52 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

That was probably there to hide from you ?

Could be, I probably have enough vaccine microchips in me now that I could morph into a Transformer.

[taxme]

On 10/27/2023 at 3:00 PM, CdnFox said:

Oh - forgot to mention....  isreal is believed to have about 400 nukes. So maybe those arabs you mentioned should be damn thankful that isreal has some non nuclear options, or i suspect prettty fast theyd' be glowing in the dark.

So, just what is your interest in this feud between Israel and Hamas? Do you have some kind of stake in this feud? Just wondering. 

[taxme]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Leftists make up words that are senseless (anti-Semitic, homophobic), re-brand words that are in use to mean something else entirely (anti-vaxer, vaccine), cancel words that they don't like (rape, pedophile) to replace them with meaningless words (sexual assault which is so broad that's devoid of meaning, or minor-attracted person), etc.

 Yes, Semites are people of Saudi ethnic origin, and I think that the Jews chose that word themselves because referring to them as 'Semites' ties their DNA to the ME region, and not to Europe.

 

It seems like it makes no sense to call Arabs anti-Semitic, but it essentially means that when Arabs discriminate against Jews, they are discriminating against people with actual DNA ties to that land.

No one doubts that Iran would use them. 

Sing along. Leftists makes the world go upside down-upside down-upside down, leftists makes the world and so on. 

So, you admit that Arabs can be called Semites also which cannot make them anti-Semites. Jews have ties to Europe and not to the Middle East as journalist Helen Thomas, who is Lebanese, once pointed out. Thomas once said that the Jews should go back to Europe. Those are not my words, they are her words. There is plenty of discrimination going on from both sides.They both have no love for each other. 

There is no doubt that Israel will have no doubt using them if necessary. And with owning 400 nukes, they can pretty much destroy the whole planet. Israel should not be allowed to own so many nukes. That is insane for a small country to own. Just saying. 

[taxme]

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

We know Arabs are semites too.   But when speaking about antisemitism, everyone know it's referring to the Jews.  That is a no-brainer.  Why pretend it doesn't exist in a major way?  It has been going on for 1,500 years or more.  Do you think the Nazis and all the antisemitism in the world refers to the Arabs too?  Seriously!

Where have you had your head?  Antisemitism against the Jews is widespread in the world and has been for at least 1,500 years.   Why pretend it is uncommon?  The U.N. is full of countries that are antisemitic and anti-Israel.  That is a proven fact.  The mainstream media is not particularly supportive of Israel either.  In fact the liberal party and Canadian government has a history of not supporting the Jews very well.  Quite a few died in the Holocaust from the motor vessel St. Louis that Canada turned away around 1939.  But it was easy for former Nazis to immigrate into Canada after WW2.

 

The same could be said about yourself.  How do you know?  I have lots of evidence for what I believe.  History is pretty strong evidence.  I don't think you have any.

So why has anti -Semitism been going on against the Jews for over 1500 years or more. There must be some good reason for this to be happening against the Jews all those years? History has shown that Jews have been kicked out of many countries in the past. They must be making some other people very unhappy in those countries for some reason. 

So, why all of this anti-Semitism going on against the Jews? You tell me seeing that you believe that you are the expert on this Jewish anti-Semite problem. And again, why are you so concerned about what is going in in this fight with Hamas? Just asking. 

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, taxme said:

So why has anti -Semitism been going on against the Jews for over 1500 years or more. There must be some good reason for this to be happening against the Jews all those years?

No, there was no "good reason".  As I said many times, man is corrupt and has an evil heart.  

One website explains it a bit.

quote

Anti-Semitism, sometimes called history’s oldest hatred, is hostility or prejudice against Jewish people. The Nazi Holocaust is history’s most extreme example of anti-Semitism. Anti-Semitism did not begin with Adolf Hitler: Anti-Semitic attitudes date back to ancient times. In much of Europe throughout the Middle Ages, Jewish people were denied citizenship and forced to live in ghettos. Anti-Jewish riots called pogroms swept the Russian Empire during the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, and anti-Semitic incidents have increased in parts of Europe, the Middle East and North America in the last several years.

The term anti-Semitism was first popularized by German journalist Wilhelm Marr in 1879 to describe hatred or hostility toward Jews. The history of anti-Semitism, however, goes back much further.

Hostility against Jews may date back nearly as far as Jewish history. In the ancient empires of Babylonia, Greece, and Rome, Jews—who originated in the ancient kingdom of Judea—were often criticized and persecuted for their efforts to remain a separate cultural group rather than taking on the religious and social customs of their conquerors.

With the rise of Christianity, anti-Semitism spread throughout much of Europe. Early Christians vilified Judaism in a bid to gain more converts. They accused Jews of outlandish acts such as “blood libel”—the kidnapping and murder of Christian children to use their blood to make Passover bread.

These religious attitudes were reflected in anti-Jewish economic, social and political policies that pervaded into the European Middle Ages.

Anti-Semitism in Medieval Europe

Many of the anti-Semitic practices seen in Nazi Germany actually have their roots in medieval Europe. In many European cities, Jews were confined to certain neighborhoods called ghettos.

Some countries also required Jews to distinguish themselves from Christians with a yellow badge worn on their garment, or a special hat called a Judenhut.

Some Jews became prominent in banking and moneylending, because early Christianity didn’t permit moneylending for interest. This resulted in economic resentment which forced the expulsion of Jews from several European countries including France, Germany, Portugal and Spain during the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries.

Jews were denied citizenship and civil liberties, including religious freedom throughout much of medieval Europe.

Poland was one notable exception. In 1264, Polish prince Bolesław the Pious issued a decree allowing Jews personal, political and religious freedoms. Jews did not receive citizenship and gain rights throughout much of western Europe, however, until the late 1700s and 1800s.   unquote

Anti-Semitism - Definition, Meaning & Reasons For (history.com)

When Constantine legalized Christianity about 313 A.D., it became the state religion throughout the Roman Empire.

The Jews had a different religion.. Judaism.  

For some reason, when the majority of people follow a certain religion, especially in ancient times, they seem to become very intolerant of the minority who have a different religion.  When the Roman Empire legalized Christianity, a new kind of Christianity formed, which involved having a Pope in Rome in the Roman or western region and a different but similar Christianity in the Eastern or Orthodox (Greek) region.  I think they were united until about the 10th century when there was a big split between east and west.  But for some reason they regarded Jews as aliens or a threat.  So the anti-Semitism seems to have had its root in the Roman Catholic Church in Europe.  But anti-Semitism also developed in other areas such as Russia.  Part of it may be because the Jews crucified Jesus Christ or that is what was believed.  So I believe the Roman church blamed the Jews, which is contrary to the Bible.  This was hatred.

Jews were persecuted down through the centuries for simply being Jews.  The Jews were firm believers in their own religion of Judaism.  The Catholics, which was a kind of corrupt form of Christianity, developed a lot hate toward the Jews and the persecutions went on for centuries to varying degrees.  The Jews suffered immensely.  Nazi Germany decided to eliminate them completely and managed to commit genocide against about two-thirds of the Jews in Europe.  Hitler had hired expert propaganda anti-Semites, even a theologian named Gerhard Kittel, to publish articles which would brainwash the population against the Jews.  These articles used a corrupt form of science and religion to paint the Jews as evil people and inferior to the Aryans or Germanic race.

Edited November 1, 2023 by blackbird

[CdnFox]

21 minutes ago, blackbird said:

No, there was no "good reason". 

Dude - everyone knows it's the Kippahs.  We all get that bald circle as we get older and we all learn to cope with it emotionally and accept it as part of life - then you see these guys poncing around and it's like "YOU"RE FOOLING NO ONE BALDY!" and the homicidal rage just starts climbing....

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, taxme said:

So, why all of this anti-Semitism going on against the Jews?

One other thought.  Hitler and the Nazis were leading anti-Semites through the 1930s and WW2 and committed the Holocaust against millions of them.  After Hitler died and even after all his war crimes and genocide against the Jews, this is what the dictator of Spain said about Hitler:

"Francisco Franco, Head of Spain, allegedly said on 3 May 1945:*

Adolf Hitler son of the Catholic Church died while defending Christianity. It is therefore understandable that words cannot be found to lament over his death, when so many were found to exalt his life. Over his mortal remains stands his victorious figure. with the palm of the martyr, God gives Hitler the laurels of Victory."

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, taxme said:

And again, why are you so concerned about what is going in in this fight with Hamas? Just asking. 

What happens in Israel will have major implications for the world.

Israel is historically a very important nation.  According to the Bible, God chose the Jews as his special people and gave them the land of Israel for perpetuity.  God used the Jews to write the Old Testament.  Jesus Christ was a Jew and was crucified and raised from the dead in Israel. The Bible prophesies that Israel will be at the centre of an Armageddon at some point.  It is also the place where Jesus Christ is prophesied to return.  The Jews, Muslims, and Christians all claim holy sites within Israel.

"According to the Book of Revelation in the New Testament of the Christian Bible, Armageddon (/ˌɑːrməˈɡɛdən/; from Ancient Greek Ἁρμαγεδών (Harmagedṓn),[1][2] Late Latin: Armagedōn,[3] from Hebrew: הַר מְגִדּוֹ‎ Har Məgīddō) is the prophesied location of a gathering of armies for a battle during the end times, which is variously interpreted as either a literal or a symbolic location. "

Armageddon - Wikipedia

So there is good reason to be interested in what is going on there.

[blackbird]

This is an interesting explanation that would mean something to Bible-believing Christians:

quote

Israel – a Blessing to the Nations

Some 3,500 years ago God made an unconditional covenant with His chosen servant Abram (later called Abraham). The primary part of this covenant was that through Abram’s descendants all the nations for all time would be blessed. God said to Abram:

In you all the families of the earth will be blessed (Gen 12.3)
In your descendants all the nations of the earth shall be blessed (Gen 22.18)

So how are the nations blessed? Tracing through the descendants of Abraham we find that the tribe of Judah is given ‘royal lineage’ in terms of a scepter (Gen 49.10). This symbolized kingship and led to the royal house of David. Following the genealogies from David in the book of Matthew we come to Joseph the husband of Mary who bore Jesus. God gave Jesus the throne of David (Lk 1.32), but Jesus’ mission at that time was the reconciliation of sinful mankind to God. Through Christ’s death on the cross, everyone who believes in Him – the resurrected Christ – and follows Him is reconciled to God. Jesus said:

Salvation is of the Jews  (Jn 4.22)

That is the first and foremost blessing of the nations. Israel’s primary purpose, her primary reason for existence, was to bring salvation to the world through Christ.

A Blessing on Israel: With this historic mission for Israel in view, God blessed this embryo nation – the children of Israel – as they made their exodus from Egypt under Moses. Listen to the beautiful singing of this blessing in the book of Numbers, chapter 6 verses 24-26:

A Song of the LORD’s Blessing upon Israel.
Sung in both Hebrew and English

“The Lord bless you and keep you;
The Lord make His face shine upon you,
And be gracious to you;
The Lord lift up His countenance upon you,
And give you peace.“

unquote

What is God's Purpose for Israel | Why does Israel exist? (factsaboutisrael.uk)

[taxme]

16 hours ago, blackbird said:

No, there was no "good reason".  As I said many times, man is corrupt and has an evil heart.  

One website explains it a bit.

quote

Anti-Semitism, sometimes called history’s oldest hatred, is hostility or prejudice against Jewish people. The Nazi Holocaust is history’s most extreme example of anti-Semitism. Anti-Semitism did not begin with Adolf Hitler: Anti-Semitic attitudes date back to ancient times. In much of Europe throughout the Middle Ages, Jewish people were denied citizenship and forced to live in ghettos. Anti-Jewish riots called pogroms swept the Russian Empire during the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, and anti-Semitic incidents have increased in parts of Europe, the Middle East and North America in the last several years.

The term anti-Semitism was first popularized by German journalist Wilhelm Marr in 1879 to describe hatred or hostility toward Jews. The history of anti-Semitism, however, goes back much further.

Hostility against Jews may date back nearly as far as Jewish history. In the ancient empires of Babylonia, Greece, and Rome, Jews—who originated in the ancient kingdom of Judea—were often criticized and persecuted for their efforts to remain a separate cultural group rather than taking on the religious and social customs of their conquerors.

With the rise of Christianity, anti-Semitism spread throughout much of Europe. Early Christians vilified Judaism in a bid to gain more converts. They accused Jews of outlandish acts such as “blood libel”—the kidnapping and murder of Christian children to use their blood to make Passover bread.

These religious attitudes were reflected in anti-Jewish economic, social and political policies that pervaded into the European Middle Ages.

Anti-Semitism in Medieval Europe

Many of the anti-Semitic practices seen in Nazi Germany actually have their roots in medieval Europe. In many European cities, Jews were confined to certain neighborhoods called ghettos.

Some countries also required Jews to distinguish themselves from Christians with a yellow badge worn on their garment, or a special hat called a Judenhut.

Some Jews became prominent in banking and moneylending, because early Christianity didn’t permit moneylending for interest. This resulted in economic resentment which forced the expulsion of Jews from several European countries including France, Germany, Portugal and Spain during the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries.

Jews were denied citizenship and civil liberties, including religious freedom throughout much of medieval Europe.

Poland was one notable exception. In 1264, Polish prince Bolesław the Pious issued a decree allowing Jews personal, political and religious freedoms. Jews did not receive citizenship and gain rights throughout much of western Europe, however, until the late 1700s and 1800s.   unquote

Anti-Semitism - Definition, Meaning & Reasons For (history.com)

When Constantine legalized Christianity about 313 A.D., it became the state religion throughout the Roman Empire.

The Jews had a different religion.. Judaism.  

For some reason, when the majority of people follow a certain religion, especially in ancient times, they seem to become very intolerant of the minority who have a different religion.  When the Roman Empire legalized Christianity, a new kind of Christianity formed, which involved having a Pope in Rome in the Roman or western region and a different but similar Christianity in the Eastern or Orthodox (Greek) region.  I think they were united until about the 10th century when there was a big split between east and west.  But for some reason they regarded Jews as aliens or a threat.  So the anti-Semitism seems to have had its root in the Roman Catholic Church in Europe.  But anti-Semitism also developed in other areas such as Russia.  Part of it may be because the Jews crucified Jesus Christ or that is what was believed.  So I believe the Roman church blamed the Jews, which is contrary to the Bible.  This was hatred.

Jews were persecuted down through the centuries for simply being Jews.  The Jews were firm believers in their own religion of Judaism.  The Catholics, which was a kind of corrupt form of Christianity, developed a lot hate toward the Jews and the persecutions went on for centuries to varying degrees.  The Jews suffered immensely.  Nazi Germany decided to eliminate them completely and managed to commit genocide against about two-thirds of the Jews in Europe.  Hitler had hired expert propaganda anti-Semites, even a theologian named Gerhard Kittel, to publish articles which would brainwash the population against the Jews.  These articles used a corrupt form of science and religion to paint the Jews as evil people and inferior to the Aryans or Germanic race.

I am still wondering as to why you seem to have this fascination for Jews and Israel? Are you Jewish by chance? This would explain all. Just asking. 

[taxme]

15 hours ago, blackbird said:

What happens in Israel will have major implications for the world.

Israel is historically a very important nation.  According to the Bible, God chose the Jews as his special people and gave them the land of Israel for perpetuity.  God used the Jews to write the Old Testament.  Jesus Christ was a Jew and was crucified and raised from the dead in Israel. The Bible prophesies that Israel will be at the centre of an Armageddon at some point.  It is also the place where Jesus Christ is prophesied to return.  The Jews, Muslims, and Christians all claim holy sites within Israel.

"According to the Book of Revelation in the New Testament of the Christian Bible, Armageddon (/ˌɑːrməˈɡɛdən/; from Ancient Greek Ἁρμαγεδών (Harmagedṓn),[1][2] Late Latin: Armagedōn,[3] from Hebrew: הַר מְגִדּוֹ‎ Har Məgīddō) is the prophesied location of a gathering of armies for a battle during the end times, which is variously interpreted as either a literal or a symbolic location. "

Armageddon - Wikipedia

So there is good reason to be interested in what is going on there.

Israel is not an important nation and Israel means nothing and does nothing for the rest of the world. What has Israel done for the rest of the world that you seem to feel that Israel is an important nation? 

Screw the bible. Why would any god give preference to the Jews only and leave the rest of us so-called gentiles out of the picture? What kind of a god does that? It's like some parent having two kids, and only showing preference for one and not the other. If you had two kids, would you show love for one child and not the other?That gods chosen people is silly nonsense. But then again, who wrote the bible? The chosen ones by chance? 

There has been many religions that believe that Jesus will return one day. And this has been said for centuries now ever since Jesus died. You are living in la-la land if you believe that nonsense of Jesus coming back. The bible is full of fairy tails and weird stories that only stunned people like yourself will believe.  Just my opinion. 

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

Why would any god give preference to the Jews only and leave the rest of us so-called gentiles out of the picture?

Ah but the gentiles have been included in the picture if they repent and believe on Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.  The gospel has gone out to the world.  The problem is you and most of the world refuse to accept it.  So you have not been left out of the picture. 

While God chose Israel as a nation through the patriarchs of the Jews, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.  However, they had faith.  Not all people had faith.  The Bible says without faith it is impossible to please him.  God requires faith.  That is the one thing.  So the offer is open to the whole world to believe in Jesus Christ.  But not all believe.  The offer is open to the gentiles too.

God gave us his word with the Bible.  You reject it at your own peril.  He chose Israel to be his vehicle to give his revelation to man in the form of the prophets in the Old Testament and Jesus Christ who came to earth, and died for the sins of mankind.  The New Testament is an account of all this.  So there is no excuse for rejecting it.

I explained in great detail why I am interested in Israel and what goes on there, but you didn't seem to read it or absorb it.  Not much more I can do.

Edited November 1, 2023 by blackbird

[taxme]

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Ah but the gentiles have been included in the picture if they repent and believe on Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.  The gospel has gone out to the world.  The problem is you and most of the world refuse to accept it.  So you have not been left out of the picture.  

God gave us his word with the Bible.  You reject it at your own peril.  He chose Israel to be his vehicle to give his revelation to man in the form of the prophets in the Old Testament and Jesus Christ who came to earth, and died for the sins of mankind.  The New Testament is an account of all this.  So there is no excuse for rejecting it.

I explained in great detail why I am interested in Israel and what goes on there, but you didn't seem to read it or absorb it.  Not much more I can do.

So, god created Israel to be his vehicle for bombing the hell out of the many innocent Palestinian people just because they are not Jewish? That makes a whole lot of sense for a god to be doing that to innocent people, a so-called loving and caring god. One would think that god would have had enough of this massacre that is going on in Gaza and strike it all down. Where does it end?

It will probably never end as far as i am concerned. Whoever created this world, that we all live in today, appears to be eating massive amounts of popcorn and is sitting back and enjoying the show of watching humans constantly killing other humans. Oh vey!

Although, i must admit that if we all lived by the ten commandments, the world would probably be in better shape than what it is in today. But in reality that is never going to happen. Your gods chosen people will see that it continues on with their continued massacre of innocent Palestinian people. 

So, you must be Jewish if you are so interested in what is going on with Israel than? Just wondering. 

Let's just say that i will remain an agnostic just to be on the safe side. ?

[blackbird]

36 minutes ago, taxme said:

So, you must be Jewish if you are so interested in what is going on with Israel than? Just wondering. 

Let's just say that i will remain an agnostic just to be on the safe side. 

No, I'm not Jewish.  Actually German-English descent.  

There are lots of things I can see you do not understand about this whole thing.

You make wild nonsensical assumptions that have no basis.

When God chose Abraham and his offspring, Isaac and Jacob as the beginning of the twelve tribes of Israel way back 3,500 years ago or so, that was God's prerogative.

Many children of Israel chose to worship the true God of Israel.  Many did not.  Consequently they were judged.  The history of Israel in the Old Testament was a series of faithful leaders who followed and worshipped the true God, but there were a series of valleys where the leaders were bad and did not follow God and the people did not follow God.  God judged them and they were often punished down through history.  They went into captivity under the Babylonians for 70 years I believe.  

Gentiles during that history who were proselytized and worshiped the true God were accepted.  Many other gentile nations were worshiping false gods, and sacrificing their babies to the false gods in the fires.

Nobody is saying every individual person was a follower of the true God.  Many were not.  That's the way it was in history.

Everyone makes their own mind up about what they will do as far as God is concerned.  

Nobody is trying to force you to believe in the God of the Bible.  That's entirely your choice.

Today the world is in a mess with wars, crimes, and everything else.  

I see Israel is just trying to defend its own existence in a sea of hostile people who want to destroy it.

The elimination of Hamas will not end their problems.  But it is just one step they believe they must do to stop the kind of terrorist attacks that took place on Oct. 7th.  They really have no choice.  I think if you live there, you would feel the same way.

Edited November 1, 2023 by blackbird