Should Hamas support rallies in Canada be stopped?

CdnFox · October 23, 2023

8 hours ago, eyeball said:

Due to the refusal of Jewish refugees to settle in peacefully.

The jewish refugees are quite happy to settle peacefully. If Gaza decided tomorrow that they would focus on peace and living together then things would begin to change immediatley and continue to get better. Isreal's elected parties show that they're quite willing to incorporate muslim and non jewish people. Isreal doesn't have a stated policy of killing all muslims.

Palestine is 100 percent at fault. They could correct the situation immediately. They choose not to. That's why they rule out a two state solution - it would mean having to give up on killing the jews and israel

CdnFox · October 23, 2023

12 hours ago, eyeball said:

Bullshit. You're advocating for collective punishment against millions of innocent people including every child under the age of 15, some 40% of the population. That's on top of the fact only 42 - 58% of the adult population voted for them.

Its 100 percent true - always has been in wars going back 3000 years - and no, it's not punishment. It's just the way it is. If your country makes war on another country as gaza has done with isreal, then the people of that country will be held responsible and will have to pay a price one way or another.

If they want to minimize that - surrender today. Stop the war. They'll still have to deal with whatever isreal wants to do with their country but they'll live and the bombings will stop. If they don't - well.. enjoy your explodey time.

CdnFox · October 23, 2023

3 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I did say in my post any person who is not bloodthirsty and who is not full of hate and revenge would want a peaceful resolution but of course at the time I knew this qualities do not apply to you sicko, so I am not surprised.

But you don't want a peaceful resolution. You want a break in the fighting so your terrorist friends can re equip and attack isreal again in a few years. There's no 'peace' just because there's a break in the fighting

Gaza makes a peaceful resolution impossible. And when you make peaceful resolution impossible you make violent resolutions inevitable. Which is where we're at now.

My point is that it should be RESOLVED. Permanently. And that means getting rid of the people who are the problem who refuse to live in peace, and that would be the occupants of gaza. Kick e'm out and take back gaza. The best way to prevent further attacks from gaza is for there to be no more gaza.

eyeball · October 23, 2023

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

Sorry but you're playing horse hockey now. Mackenzie King was the PM throughout, was Liberal and held consecutive majorities. Everything was his/ the Liberals final say. They sent the ship away. Afterwards there was lengthy debate in the HOC as to whether Canada should allow Jews in who were trying to escape Nazis. The Liberal majority house determined they would allow in - one Jew.

https://www.cbc.ca/history/EPISCONTENTSE1EP13CH4PA2LE.html

None is too many

It's pretty clear Liberals were as anti-semitic as anyone during but interestingly the only person mentioned in these sources that was outspoken against turning away Jewish Refugees was Liberal Senator Cairine Wilson also Canada's first woman appointed to the Senate.

I found this record of Parliamentary Debates https://parl.canadiana.ca/browse?show=eng_c_debates that might shed some light on what was debated and and said. But so far it looks like Canada was a complete POS when it came to accepting Jewish refugees.

I still haven't found anything to suggest conservatives were as outspoken as Cairine Wilson against sending Jews back to Germany or refusing Jewish immigrants entry into Canada.

The debates during Mackenzies terms are in 18th-20th Parliaments in the list.

CdnFox · October 23, 2023

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I still haven't found anything to suggest conservatives were as outspoken as Cairine Wilson against sending Jews back to Germany or refusing Jewish immigrants entry into Canada.

Well that's what happens when you have a state run media

eyeball · October 23, 2023

51 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

"Settling in peacefully" has never been an option. They've been attacked since day 1, literally.

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THE ACTIVITIES OF THREE JEWISH TERRORIST GROUPS IN THEIR QUEST FOR A JEWISH STATE ARE DISCUSSED AGAINST THE BACKDROP OF THE HISTORICAL EVENTS OF WORLD WAR II.

Abstract

TRACED CHRONOLOGICALLY, THE FORMATION OF THE HAGANAH, THE IRGUN AWAI LEUMI, AND THE LOHAMEI HERUT, THEIR MILITARY AND PARAMILITARY GROUPS, THEIR ORGANIZATION, LEADERSHIP PHILOSOPHY AND ACTIONS ARE SHOWN TO BE INSEPARABLE IN THEIR OPERATIONS AND THEIR STRONG ZIONIST AIMS. THESE THREE GROUPS ATTACKED THE BRITISH ADMINISTRATION AND THEIR WHITE PAPER POLICY, THE ARABS, HITLER, AND FOUGHT IN THEIR OWN CIVIL WAR. IN EXAMINING ASPECTS OF THEIR ROLE IN THE ULTIMATE CREATION OF A JEWISH STATE, IT IS CONCLUDED THAT: (1) JEWISH TERRORISM AGAINST BRITISH AND ARABS DID CONTRIBUTE HEAVILY TO THE REMOVAL OF THE BRITISH FROM PALESTINE, THE ABANDONMENT OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS MANDATE AND THE CREATION OF A JEWISH STATE OF ISRAEL; (2) THERE WERE NO PRACTICALLY AFFORDABLE ALTERNATIVES TO YIELDING THE MANDATE AVAILABLE TO THE GOVERNMENT OF GREAT BRITAIN BECAUSE OF THE COHESIVENESS OF THE TERRORISTS AND THEIR SOPHISTICATION; AND (3) THERE IS NO TRUE CONCLUSION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THESE DISSIDENT GROUPS POSED A THREAT TO THE STATE OF ISRAEL AS PERCEIVED BY THE RULER AT THAT TIME, DAVID BEN-GURION; HOWEVER MUCH THEY HAVE POSED A THREAT TO THE PERSONAL POWER OF BEN-GURION, IT IS CONCLUDED THAT THEY PLAYED A SIGNIFICANT PART IN THE CREATION OF THE JEWISH STATE. A BIBLIOGRAPHY AND REFERENCE NOTES ARE PROVIDED. (MHP)

https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/jewish-zionist-terrorism-and-establishment-israel

eyeball · October 23, 2023

42 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Nonsensical. That's what happens when someone refuses to study any history and learn the facts. The existence of Israel has been opposed since the beginning of history. The world is full of antisemites. That alone is one good reason they deserve their own land as a place of refuge from the haters of the world.

See my responses to Oftenwrong and WCM.

CITIZEN_2015 · October 23, 2023

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

But you don't want a peaceful resolution. You want a break in the fighting so your terrorist friends can re equip and attack isreal again in a few years. There's no 'peace' just because there's a break in the fighting

Gaza makes a peaceful resolution impossible. And when you make peaceful resolution impossible you make violent resolutions inevitable. Which is where we're at now.

My point is that it should be RESOLVED. Permanently. And that means getting rid of the people who are the problem who refuse to live in peace, and that would be the occupants of gaza. Kick e'm out and take back gaza. The best way to prevent further attacks from gaza is for there to be no more gaza.

When I see a post like this, I become a Palestinian sympathizer as the kind of sickos they have to deal with in their day to day life like armed settlers, Israeli soldiers, extremist Zionists.. I can never support Hamas as they did evil but I an leaning towards actively supporting the people of Gaza in their struggle for their legitimate rights thanks to extremists like you (as much as I dislike Arabs and their women-hating culture and their historic bad deeds to the world but you Zionists are as bad if not worse).

QuebecOverCanada · October 23, 2023

3 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

as much as I dislike Arabs and their women-hating culture and their historic bad deeds to the world but you Zionists are as bad if not worse

That's quite a bizarre take coming from you, but we're quite habituated.

You promoted western intervention against the iranian regime, saying that Islam was the worse cancer the persian civilization had to endure, yet you're saying that Zionism is worse than everything.

ExFlyer · October 23, 2023

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

History has no bearing on today? Now THAT'S stupid!

Those who forget history are condemned to relive it. I think the Israelis are uninterested in reliving the slaughter of their people when the Hamas savages broke free of their cage.

Nope.

Nice cliché but never observed LOL

Not stupid, realistic. Repeating worn out old clichés is also stupid.

Edited October 23, 2023 by ExFlyer

blackbird · October 23, 2023

14 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Zionists are as bad if not worse)

Where on earth did you come from? What country?

By saying Zionists are bad you are saying Israel has no right to exist as a state?

Definition of Zionism:

a movement for (originally) the re-establishment and (now) the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel.

So why would you be opposed to the existence of the State of Israel? That's what Zionism means, a movement to support the re-establishment of the State of Israel, which was done in 1948.

CITIZEN_2015 · October 23, 2023

23 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

That's quite a bizarre take coming from you, but we're quite habituated.

You promoted western intervention against the iranian regime, saying that Islam was the worse cancer the persian civilization had to endure, yet you're saying that Zionism is worse than everything.

Not sure where you got that I asked for Western intervention in Iran. I repeatedly said no military action against Iran but help Iranian people to topple the regime and establish democracy (the West is responsible for the events in Iran now as per 1953 CIA-British sponsored coup).

I also did not say Islam is the worse cancer in Persian civilization (why you are putting words in my mouth), I said the Islamic regime is the cancer organ in the world and should be taken out. It is debatable if Islamic republic is Islam an overwhelming majority debate against that.

I also did not say Zionism is the worst. I said posts made by this guy is worse. When it comes to evil, it is hard to say which is worse. Is fascism worse than communism? Is Zionism worse than Islamic fanatism? They are all bad and civilized people must fight them all.

Edited October 23, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015

CITIZEN_2015 · October 23, 2023

6 minutes ago, blackbird said:

That's what Zionism means, a movement to support the re-establishment of the State of Israel, which was done in 1948.

No Zionism means what this guy is posting. Destroy and kill all other races starting with Palestinians because Jews are the superior and chosen people. Israel must exist because overwhelming majority of people of Israel oppose to this.

Even on this forum with many having extreme views only one or two are posting Zionist minds even though I proposed a fair peace agreement, but he settles for nothing less than killing or murder of all people in Gaza including all one and a half million defenseless women and children. How can you preach bible and support this?

Edited October 23, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015

blackbird · October 23, 2023

19 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

No Zionism means what this guy is posting. Destroy and kill all other races starting with Palestinians because Jews are the superior and chosen people.

You are clearly making this up. Nobody believes Israel or Zionists means that. Nobody anywhere wants to destroy all other races. What garbage you post. You are living out of reality in some kind of fictitious world. Perhaps you are in need of counseling because you're not making any sense on here.

As I asked, what country did you come from? I am trying to understand why you think in such a bizarre way.

19 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

but he settles for nothing less than killing or murder of all people in Gaza including all one and a half million defenseless women and children. How can you preach bible and support this?

I don't support any such thing. Why do you assume I support someone else's comments? This just shows how mixed up you are. You read some comment on the forum and automatically assume I believe the same way or same thing. You really need help.

Edited October 23, 2023 by blackbird

eyeball · October 23, 2023

41 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

When I see a post like this, I become a Palestinian sympathizer as the kind of sickos they have to deal with in their day to day life like armed settlers, Israeli soldiers, extremist Zionists.. I can never support Hamas as they did evil but I an leaning towards actively supporting the people of Gaza in their struggle for their legitimate rights thanks to extremists like you (as much as I dislike Arabs and their women-hating culture and their historic bad deeds to the world but you Zionists are as bad if not worse).

There was a time when even Britain was more sympathetic.

The white paper, formalized as a Palestine Order in Council in August,^[33] reaffirmed the British commitment to a national home, promised that Palestine would not become a Jewish State and that Arabs would not be subordinated to Jews.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchill_White_Paper#:~:text=The white paper%2C formalized as,not be subordinated to Jews.

blackbird · October 23, 2023

28 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

(the West is responsible for the events in Iran now as per 1953 CIA-British sponsored coup).

Ever heard of the 1979 revolution in Iran when the terrorist Islamists took over?

25 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

No Zionism means what this guy is posting. Destroy and kill all other races starting with Palestinians because Jews are the superior and chosen people.

I think you should know that is a lie. Check the definition of Zionism which I just gave you. You never admit your error and persist in your nonsense.

WestCanMan · October 23, 2023

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

But you don't want a peaceful resolution. You want a break in the fighting so your terrorist friends can re equip and attack isreal again in a few years.

If people keep trying to massacre you, and they openly say that their goal is to eradicate you, at some point you have to take them seriously, right?

This is like if they start shooting at someone, run out of bullets, and ask for some time to reload their ok.

Israel: "Um, sure. Cue the Jeopardy thinking music so that they can reload!"

CITIZEN_2015 · October 23, 2023

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

You are clearly making this up. Nobody believes Israel or Zionists means that. Nobody anywhere wants to destroy all other races. What garbage you post. You are living out of reality in some kind of fictitious world. Perhaps you are in need of counseling because you're not making any sense on here.

As I asked, what country did you come from? I am trying to understand why you think in such a bizarre way.

I don't support any such thing. Why do you assume I support someone else's comments? This just shows how mixed up you are. You read some comment on the forum and this certain others believe the same way or same thing. That is also bizarre. You really need help.

Just read the guy's posts for God's sake. He keeps posting about killing them all, kill, kill, kill, destroy, kill ...... Read carefully before you like a post then.

I have been a Canadian citizen all of my adult life but lets not take our debate to personal level as this is not constructive like personal attacks the guy has made on me calling me the worse things like pimp when I said I go out to dance with girls Saturday night.

So why did not not support my peace proposal but instead accuse me again falsely of wanting to destroy the state of Israel?

blackbird · October 23, 2023

2 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Just read the guy's posts for God's sake.

I am not reading his posts. You are commenting to me. Comment to him, but why try to accuse other people of agreeing with his posts. This is why I said you need help. You don't know how to talk to other people.

CITIZEN_2015 · October 23, 2023

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Ever heard of the 1979 revolution in Iran when the terrorist Islamists took over?

Please don't preach me the history of Iran. The 1953 coup prepared the ground for extremists to penetrate Iranian society and tricked people into establishing democracy which Iran had before the 1953 coup. It galvanized opposition to the monarchy and gathered masses behind the evil forces and hence revolution. It was not even a revolution. It was the peanut brain President sending General Huyser to neutralize the Imperial army in favor of the Ayatolah.

blackbird · October 23, 2023

6 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Please don't preach me the history of Iran. The 1953 coup prepared the ground for extremists to penetrate Iranian society and tricked people into establishing democracy which Iran had before the 1953 coup. It galvanized opposition to the monarchy and gathered masses behind the evil forces and hence revolution. It was not even a revolution. It was the peanut brain President sending General Huyser to neutralize the Imperial army in favor of the Ayatolah.

Canada can't change Iran. The people in Iran allowed a revolution in 1979 and got an extremist Islamic republic. That's not the fault of the west or anybody else. That's what happens when people worship false gods. The west doesn't have the power to change Iran.

CITIZEN_2015 · October 23, 2023

25 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I am not reading his posts. You are commenting to me. Comment to him, but why try to accuse other people of agreeing with his posts. This is why I said you need help. You don't know how to talk to other people.

You have some nerves to tell me not accusing you falsely? You have accused me of worst things yourself falsely. First you accused me of supporting Hamas and its killing spree and I challenged you TWICE to provide evidence of that and you did not because there was none. It was a lie. Then you stated or accused me of being an Arab or Palestinian, or sympatizer again false. Then you accused me of wanting the destruction of Israel or want Israel to not exist, again false.

10 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Canada can't change Iran. The people in Iran allowed a revolution in 1979 and got an extremist Islamic republic. That's not the fault of the west or anybody else. That's what happens when people worship false gods. The west doesn't have the power to change Iran.

I said the West not Canada. Clearly you don't know Iran's history. But that is not the subject of debate in this thread.

Edited October 23, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015

CdnFox · October 23, 2023

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

When I see a post like this, I become a Palestinian sympathizer

LOL - sure, some random person on the internet turned you into one You were a hamas sympathizer before you ever showed up here You're fooling noone.

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. I can never support Hamas as they did evil but I an leaning towards actively supporting the people of Gaza in their struggle

Hamas and the people are teh same thing. One wouldn't be there without the other.

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for their legitimate rights thanks to extremists like you (as much as I dislike Arabs and their women-hating culture and their historic bad deeds to the world but you Zionists are as bad if not worse).

Akways excuses with you. You want their 'legitimate right' to wage war on isreal and kill innocent people (rockets are still firing every day) but get mad when people say you side with the terroritsts, which you do. You say their culture is bad and abusive but you want to support it.

You're a mess. Bottom line is this - their cannot be peace as long as both parties are there brecause palestine won't have it. So - the only way for there to be peace is for one or the other to go away. Palestine started this war, israel should finish it once and for all

CdnFox · October 23, 2023

2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Just read the guy's posts for God's sake. He keeps posting about killing them all, kill, kill, kill, destroy, kill ...... Read carefully before you like a post then.

I have been a Canadian citizen all of my adult life but lets not take our debate to personal level as this is not constructive like personal attacks the guy has made on me calling me the worse things like pimp when I said I go out to dance with girls Saturday night.

So why did not not support my peace proposal but instead accuse me again falsely of wanting to destroy the state of Israel?

Yeah but i don't. that's the voices in your head. I said scatter their people and take back the land. And if some die in the course of the war that's the way war works, you try to avoid it but if it's necessary to win well that's how that works

I don't excuse violence specifically targeting women and children as you do,

And you're nothing but personal attacks.

blackbird · October 23, 2023

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

First you accused me of supporting Hamas and its killing spree and I challenged you TWICE to provide evidence of that and you did not because there was none

OK, if I accused you falsely of supporting Hamas, I apologize.

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Then you stated or accused me of being an Arab or Palestinian, or sympatizer again false. Then you accused me of wanting the destruction of Israel or want Israel to not exist, again false.

Ok, If you are not an Arab, I apologize. I am not exactly sure in which post I said that, but if I did, I apologize.

I did ask you where you came from but you never answered. I assume from your endless comments about Iran that you came from Iran.

Since you have been such a strong supporter of Palestinians and seem to be blaming Israel for all the problems, it does look like you oppose Israel's existence. You called them Nazis, and condemned Zionism, which is only the movement defending Israel's right to have their own state.

What evidence do you have that Israel is the criminal in all this or that they are Nazis?

Do you believe Israel has a right to defend themselves against terrorist attacks?