Should Hamas support rallies in Canada be stopped?

[blackbird]

9 hours ago, eyeball said:

They have thrown some 5000 Palestinians into prison since Oct 7. For what purpose?

The reason is quite simple.  They obviously see them as Hamas or terrorist sympathizers and a threat.  You can see mobs of Palestinians throwing rocks at Israeli police on the news.  There are literally thousands of out of control Palestinians on the streets that are creating anarchy in the State of Israel that need to be dealt with to try to maintain order.  It's not complicated.  Nobody threw rocks at the police in the Ottawa occupation.  But you can be sure if they did, they would have been arrested and thrown in jail.  That is just the way authorities have to deal with criminals, law-breakers and anarchists.

[ExFlyer]

48 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The reason is quite simple.  They obviously see them as Hamas or terrorist sympathizers and a threat.  You can see mobs of Palestinians throwing rocks at Israeli police on the news.  There are literally thousands of out of control Palestinians on the streets that are creating anarchy in the State of Israel that need to be dealt with to try to maintain order.  It's not complicated.  Nobody threw rocks at the police in the Ottawa occupation.  But you can be sure if they did, they would have been arrested and thrown in jail.  That is just the way authorities have to deal with criminals, law-breakers and anarchists.

So, all Palestinians are Hamas and terrorists?

Throwing rocks has been going on for many decades (most have no weapons and only rocks).

Are you comparing the trucker convoy to the bombs and rockets in Gaza???

Are the streets in Gaza not Palestinian streets? Their buildings and homes are destroyed and there is nothing left but streets.

Speaking form the point of view of having no stake or affiliation in either side, Ya gotta look at the damage and destruction and deaths and operations from and on both sides.

 

Edited October 22, 2023 by ExFlyer

[suds]

On 10/20/2023 at 6:05 PM, taxme said:

An independent search will never happen. No one wants to be blamed for who really bombed the church. The bombing incident will be put in the no proof file and left there and soon to be forgotten like just about everything else. ?

I agree except for the fact that Hamas controls the site. And if they had any evidence at all that the IDF caused the blast and not one of their own rockets then the logical thing would be for them to bring in UN inspectors. Not doing so says a lot especially when Israel flat out denies it.

[CITIZEN_2015]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

 

Well in your case that would mean inflating them first   Or giving them your credit card number

When you're actually popular the ladies come over to see you   And no leak kits or pimps are involved   Maybe when you're older.....

You are so fu*ked up old man. The piece talks of your nature.

[CITIZEN_2015]

11 hours ago, blackbird said:

In allowing these anti-Israel rallies, Canada is out of step with Germany and France, which are forbidding them.  Such rallies will just create more domestic problems such as antisemitism.  One of the Canadian  government's problems seems to be they are trying to be all things to all people regardless of what it entails.  They seem to be trying to agree with everyone or appease everyone and end up just satisfying nobody completely.  They create new problems and allow hostilities to fester and grow in society.  The world persecuted and discriminated against the Jews for 1,500 years.  Now governments are struggling to keep the lid on it and having to deal with crimes of hate.  That is a consequence of failing to deal with it and allowing it to spread.

Are you a dictator? Are you against democracy or democratic values? You can ban hate rallies but you cannot ban anti-Israel rallies. At least some people in my view most believe the Israeli army is committing atrocities against women and children, war crimes, crimes against humanity so you want to ban them just because Israel is a Jewish state?

Enough with victimization and then using it to commit crimes much worse than what was done to them. If it was any other country say Russia you would not be asking for a ban would you? Just because a majority of population of Israel is Jewish then lets ignore the atrocities of their government and fire or jail anyone who dares to speak out. Really!!!!!!

Edited October 22, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

You nailed it. One sick puppy

Got something you want to say kiddo?

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

You are so fu*ked up old man. The piece talks of your nature.

LOL - i was quoting you sunshine so there you go

So here's the deal.  The problem here isn't me. The problem here is you. You've made useless arguments that get shot down easily by me and others - and that pisses you off so you decide that instead of re-evaluating your argument that I must be evil. EEEEVVVVIIIIILLLLL.   Evil for pointing out truth's you don't like

So then you try insults - turns out you suck and i'm way better at them than you, so once again you're on the losing side and once again - EEEEVVVVIIIIILLLLLLLLL (reeeeeeeee!)

Kid.  Isreal has every right to defend itself. Gaza knowingly and with full intent started this war. The people of gaza knew full well who and what hamas were and have supported them over the years.  Now that population will have to suffer while isreal takes the steps necessary to eliminate the threat to their homeland, which may very well include taking back the gaza strip permanently.  Isreal isn't targeting civvies and tries to avoid killing them but if they're in the way they die.  That's how war works.

You support the terrorists.  You play his little game where you pretend to condemn their actions, but you don't.  You excuse them, and then try to say that isreal has no right to defend itself against them.  And that really this is all isreal's fault anyway because 1948.

Isreal is well within its rights legally, morally and functionally to do what it's doing right now, and every single casualty is 100 percent Hamas' fault which means it's the Gazanian's fault as well.

Sucks to be you. You're just on the wrong side in this and you're angry about that and you want it to be my fault - but it isn't.  Sorry kiddo.

[blackbird]

30 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Are you a dictator? Are you against democracy or democratic values? You can ban hate rallies but you cannot ban anti-Israel rallies. At least some people in my view most believe the Israeli army is committing atrocities against women and children, war crimes, crimes against humanity so you want to ban them just because Israel is a Jewish state?

Enough with victimization and then using it to commit crimes much worse than what was done to them. If it was any other country say Russia you would not be asking for a ban would you? Just because a majority of population of Israel is Jewish then lets ignore the atrocities of their government and fire or jail anyone who dares to speak out. Really!!!!!!

I can tell you I have absolutely no use for people who publicly demonstrate and support Hamas or their allies or antisemitism.  They should all be deported to the ME.  We don't need those kind of people immigrating to Canada and bringing their wars and disputes to our country.  Immigrant applicants should be screened very carefully and any antisemitic applicants should be rejected.  

Barbara Kay: The insidious hatred that spawned the Holocaust and Hamas' latest pogrom (msn.com)

 

[I am Groot]

19 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

WTF is your problem LYING so openly.

Hamas HAS INDEED denied the allegations of rape and beheadings. No such evidence ever surfaced though they may be true but the only source is the Israeli soldiers.

I would have thought the video of Hamas gleefully riding in a pickup truck with a virtually naked Israel woman they took prisoner would have been sufficient evidence.

Not to mention basic human behaviour patterns. If you have men so lost to any sense of empathy or morality they can gun down unarmed young dancers and spend hours hunting them through the fields do you really think they're not going to rape women they come across? Why wouldn't they? Because they're too high-minded and moral? Because Arab men are known to be so respectful of women? Especially Jewish women? 

[CITIZEN_2015]

6 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I can tell you I have absolutely no use for people who publicly demonstrate and support Hamas or their allies or antisemitism.  They should all be deported to the ME.  We don't need those kind of people immigrating to Canada and bringing their wars and disputes to our country.  Immigrant applicants should be screened very carefully and any antisemitic applicants should be rejected.  

Barbara Kay: The insidious hatred that spawned the Holocaust and Hamas' latest pogrom (msn.com)

 

Deport people to ME because they protest against massacre of women and children? Really? Is this what it says in your bible you keep preaching? Hell, many of  those protesting are Canadians, I mean white Canadians. Humanity does not recognize race.

I do agree with screening immigration applications but not only as you suggested for antisemitism but many other factors like religious extremism, political extremism and lack of respect for women and other religions and those who do not believe in democratic values like wanting to ban free speech and rallies.

[CITIZEN_2015]

4 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

I would have thought the video of Hamas gleefully riding in a pickup truck with a virtually naked Israel woman they took prisoner would have been sufficient evidence.

 

How do you know it was Hamas video?

I wouldn't put raping women beyond them. I just said there is no evidence. I do absolutely not believe in beheading babies, not even for Hamas terrorists, There is nothing to get from it but worldwide hate for them.

[I am Groot]

17 hours ago, eyeball said:

I think it's more a case of stripping away the pretense that Israel has the right to defend itself when its really the right to continue colonizing, occupying and dispossessing Palestinians of their rights, land and legitimate grievances that's being granted.

You evaluate world problems based on your western values and the complacency of someone who has never known want, fear or danger. But Arabs don't share your values. They don't want what you want. Colonialism is wrong? Why? Gaza was controlled by Egypt before they lost it to Israel. Before that it was the British. Before that the Ottoman Empire. It's a strip of land with no ethnic, religious, cultural or racial distinction from the areas around it.

Take all the dirty Jews away and you think there'll be paradise there? It'll be another Iran, where teenage girls are beaten to death for not properly wearing their hijab, or worse yet, another Afghanistan. There's no interest in democracy and freedom there. They want an Islamic state. This is what you and the other Western lefties are siding with, not the hope of freedom, but the hope of a brutal authoritarian Islamic state. 

The response to Hamas' brutal, heartless attacks on civilians was joy and celebration throughout the Arab world. If they continued, killing and raping tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands, the cheering would have been even louder. That's what you and the other unimaginative, unknowing and ignorant lefties don't seem able to wrap your heads around.

1 minute ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

How do you know it was Hamas video?

I wouldn't put raping women beyond them. I just said there is no evidence. I do absolutely not believe in beheading babies, not even for Hamas terrorists, There is nothing to get from it but worldwide hate for them.

It was a Hamas video taken in the Gaza strip while they paraded her in front of cheering Palestinians. The location of such things is easily pinpointed nowadays through matching images online.

Edited October 22, 2023 by I am Groot

[I am Groot]

11 hours ago, eyeball said:

Does Israel have any idea how many civilians they've killed since Oct 7th?

How many German civilians were killed when conquering Germany in WW2? Should we have backed off to avoid that? 

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

So, all Palestinians are Hamas and terrorists?

Certainly not ALL. But they've been brought up from the cradle with hatred of Israel and Jews fed to them through every means possible. Look up some of the Western reports on Palestinian schoolbooks sometime. Or on what is contained in Palestinian media or publications. Or what they're told in the mosques. Hatred of Jews and Israel is nearly unanimous throughout the Palestinian territories. It's damned near unanimous throughout the whole region for the same reason. When Hamas attacked Israel and killed so many there were joyous scenes of delight and exhilaration throughout the Palestinian territories. Throughout the Arab world, too.  Outside polling agencies like PEW will attest to that.

There was an interesting story in the Post today about Gaza seventy years ago after the Arabs lost the first of their wars against Israel. Gaza was a much better place then. But Seventy years of war and brutal terrorism and reprisals have not exactly been good for it. But even then even the few who admitted the war had been a mistake had no empathy for Jews.

https://archive.ph/PyAmB

[CITIZEN_2015]

18 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

 

It was a Hamas video taken in the Gaza strip while they paraded her in front of cheering Palestinians. The location of such things is easily pinpointed nowadays through matching images online.

Kill those bastards in the video. Not women and children who happen to be of same nationality or race. If someone commits rape in your neighborhood, killing the entire neighborhood is not acceptable, This is what Israel is doing.

 

1400 Israelis killed versus over 4000 Palestinians died as reported by biased pro-Israel news media.

[Army Guy]

17 hours ago, Nexii said:

It's the reality of every war. No country/people fight to the last person. And yes, the casualities have been relatively low in most of their wars to date. At least compared to the amount that would die invading Gaza. It wouldn't be hundreds or thousands like previous wars, it'd be tens of thousands. I don't think they have the stomach for that. But I'm also unsure where this war is going. I don't think Israel is strong enough to achieve their objectives, and Western support is mixed. 

I think you underestimate how motivated Israel is to deal a huge blow to its enemies...and yes there is going to be lots of death, but i don't see those numbers as high as you say they are going to be... unless your including the terrorist sides as well. There is going to be a ground campaign that much we know, what we don't know is who is going to get involved.. hence why the US are putting 2 Aircraft carrier groups and a Amphibious marine BLT in the area, plus forward deploying a shit ton of their air force...

I think what we hear now from countries that are saying they will intervene like Turkey, Saudi, and others is just talk...and if it is not then it will come at a steep price...and the middle east will erupt in flames....

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

Are you a hypocrite in condemning Israel for existing when you are living in Canada and you are not a native?  What is the difference?

The difference is I've consistently supported acknowledgement, reconciliation and negotiating treaties and you know it. Fu ck you for ignoring that and calling me a hypocrite- this why it's impossible to have an honest discussion with you.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

There are literally thousands of out of control Palestinians on the streets that are creating anarchy in the State of Israel that need to be negotiated with to try to maintain order.

FIFY

[eyeball]

51 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

The response to Hamas' brutal, heartless attacks on civilians was joy and celebration throughout the Arab world. If they continued, killing and raping tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands, the cheering would have been even louder. That's what you and the other unimaginative, unknowing and ignorant lefties don't seem able to wrap your heads around.

Bullshit. What I want are negotiations and peace. And fu ck you too for thinking I was cheering on Oct 7. 

[Army Guy]

19 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Kill those bastards in the video. Not women and children who happen to be of same nationality or race. If someone commits rape in your neighborhood, killing the entire neighborhood is not acceptable, This is what Israel is doing.

 

1400 Israelis killed versus over 4000 Palestinians died as reported by biased pro-Israel news media.

Palestinian people are Hamas...They voted them to govern their state, Hamas governs the state of Palestine. they chose to accept all their rules and polices, ...... such as never having peace with Israel, this hate is taught in their schools, and is transferred to the Israelis side via terrorism, were Israelis children learn to hate as well... Palestinians are very good at whipping up the media to show just how bad the Israelis are...and we in the west fall for it every time...

If another country declares war on Canada do you think they are only going to kill liberals, becasue of liberal polices/ actions that lead up to that declaration.......No...Liberals represent Canada, just as HAMAS represents Palestinians, 

This time Hamas went to far and even they admit that, and now it is time to pay for their transgressions.. That includes the Palestinian people, only they have the power to rid themselves of Hamas but they don't they would rather live under their hate. 

There are other players acting here as well. Egypt knows if they allow refugees in they will not leave as do the rest of the Muslim countries, who don't want the Palestinians they already have...it seems that they as well have taken military action against Palestinian terrorists.. such as Jordan, and Egypt. 

 

 

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Bullshit. What I want are negotiations and peace. And fu ck you too for thinking I was cheering on Oct 7. 

No, you want a temporary cease fire so that the gazonians can re arm and reoganize and kill jews for you again just as they have for many decades now.

Gaza can have peace any time it wants - surrender.

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

How many German civilians were killed when conquering Germany in WW2? Should we have backed off to avoid that? 

Stupid, stupid comparison.

We are talking past 2 weeks not past century.

History has no bearing or meaning it this action today.

Edited October 22, 2023 by ExFlyer

[eyeball]

49 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

How many German civilians were killed when conquering Germany in WW2? Should we have backed off to avoid that? 

Maybe we should have if we knew we'd soon be welcoming Nazi refugees and turning Jews away following the war.

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Stupid, stupid comparison.

We are talking past 2 weeks not past century.

How about korea then? Gulf war? Afghanistan? lots of civvies died there. 

Fact is that there is no such thing as a 'war' where civillians don't get killed. Never has been never likely will be. Modern tech helps us minimize that but it's the way it is. That's why war is bad.

Pretending that some how wars in 2020 are different than wars in 1920 in that regard is childish.  If you go to war this is what happens. Which is why most sane countries avoid war. Guess Gaza didnt' get the memo.

[ExFlyer]

3 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Palestinian people are Hamas.......

 

 

Not all Palestinians are Hamas

44% voted Hamas.

It is like saying all Canadians are Liberal even though only 33% voted for liberals.

War is war and unfortunately there is civilian deaths. News have reported up to 1300 Israeli deaths and 5000 Palestinian deaths,