WestCanMan Posted October 9, 2023 Report Share Posted October 9, 2023 With countries like Iran fully supporting Hamas, and countries like Lebanon & Turkey offering tacit support of Hamas (and Hezbollah) by allowing terrorist armies to reside there or by refusing to condemn Hamas as terrorists, and the muslim world being told by Al Jazeera that the Israelis deserve every atrocity they ever experience, how long can Israel last? Who will support them against the entire ME? Right now the balance of power is squarely against the ME, because they completely lack the technology and the modern weapons to fight for more than half an hour against a determined western army, but the will to kill and destroy from the religious bigots of the ME is unmatched in intensity. If they ever get the inkling that they have better than a 50% chance of victory how many ME countries will pile on Israel? Isn't it just a matter of time before that happens? Those guys still hold onto hatred from 1,600 years ago. Will they be any less bigoted 500 years from now? Can the balance of power last 500 years? Right now Turkey is a member of NATO, which gives them access to our telecommunications codes which is one of our biggest secrets, and they are firmly onside with terrorists. Not all terrorists though, they are deadly serious about killing terrorists against their own country. (At this point I should really familiarize myself with how good we are at designating PKK violence as terrorism...) Is Turkey really an ally, or are they likely to be traitors when the crap really hits the fan? Har Megido, aka 'Armageddon', the place where it allegedly all starts/ends is still the odds-on favourite after countless centuries of strife... Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted October 9, 2023 Report Share Posted October 9, 2023 I have this genius on ignore, but boy am I glad I read this. ? Don't do drugs, kids. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted October 9, 2023 Report Share Posted October 9, 2023 30 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: With countries like Iran fully supporting Hamas, and countries like Lebanon & Turkey offering tacit support of Hamas (and Hezbollah) by allowing terrorist armies to reside there or by refusing to condemn Hamas as terrorists, and the muslim world being told by Al Jazeera that the Israelis deserve every atrocity they ever experience, how long can Israel last? Who will support them against the entire ME? Right now the balance of power is squarely against the ME, because they completely lack the technology and the modern weapons to fight for more than half an hour against a determined western army, but the will to kill and destroy from the religious bigots of the ME is unmatched in intensity. If they ever get the inkling that they have better than a 50% chance of victory how many ME countries will pile on Israel? Isn't it just a matter of time before that happens? Those guys still hold onto hatred from 1,600 years ago. Will they be any less bigoted 500 years from now? Can the balance of power last 500 years? Right now Turkey is a member of NATO, which gives them access to our telecommunications codes which is one of our biggest secrets, and they are firmly onside with terrorists. Not all terrorists though, they are deadly serious about killing terrorists against their own country. (At this point I should really familiarize myself with how good we are at designating PKK violence as terrorism...) Is Turkey really an ally, or are they likely to be traitors when the crap really hits the fan? Har Megido, aka 'Armageddon', the place where it allegedly all starts/ends is still the odds-on favourite after countless centuries of strife... I think all countries have codes that other Nato countries aren't privy too. We are obligated to share intelligence with 5 Eyes countries but not every other Nato country unless it is a threat to that country. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted October 9, 2023 Report Share Posted October 9, 2023 Turkey has always been that guy everyone whispers about at NATO conferences, the black sheep so to speak...I think in turkeys case it is better to hold them close and have some control over them, than have them as an enemy or on the outside...Turkey is one of the strongest Muslim countries in regards to militaries, and the technology they have access to, that has developed some of the worlds leading military equipment for all 3 elements, navy, army, Air force ... That being said Turkey has butted heads with most of NATO at one time or another...and I'm sure most have considered kicking them out.. This is an example of the differences in culture, they are definitely on the right , and Europe is on the left on almost everything...but when it comes to Israel, The only ones that really have Israel back is the US, and back in harpers years Canada...while Europe may condemn Palestinians actions today, once Israel gets its ground operations going Europe's tone will change, it always does...atleast with turkey Israel always knows were it stands... To kick turkey out would be a mistake, regardless of how difficult they get...What we should be worried about is does Turkey want to leave the alliance...as being in the alliance is not a popular idea amongst it's citizens who sees NATO as not in their best interests...Having them on the outside could mean a new twist in middle eastern affairs, one that may not be in our best interests... 3 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted October 11, 2023 Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) In Erdogan’s Turkey, the trend is broadly away from secularism and towards an Islamic state. Other aspects haven’t changed that much. Relations with the neighbours, many of whom were once imperial subjects, remain strained. Russia is a major foreign policy problem; even after the Ukraine fiasco, it looms large in the Turkish imagination. The Kurds and Armenians are still bitter enemies and relations with Greece are difficult. When asked by a German journalist why Greek military spending was so high despite an economy in the ICU, the prime minister explained that it was because Turkey rather than Denmark was next door. Israel is an outlier. On occasion, Erdogan stirs up hostility towards that country but Turkish and Israeli drones recently worked well together to slaughter Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh, an event largely ignored in the West. Both Turkey and Israel (and Britain) are very palsy-walsy with the tyrant in Baku who desires a greater Azerbaijan with large chunks of Iran and Armenia thrown in. Yes, it would be nice to ditch Erdogan from NATO but his location is so sweet. His goons beat up protesters in Washington DC for crying out loud and nothing was done. I fear he may be keeping his membership card for a good while yet. Edited October 11, 2023 by SpankyMcFarland 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted October 11, 2023 Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 In my opinion, NATO no longer needs to exist. Turkey should be free to do what it wants. === We need a new structure of peace in this world. IMHO, it must be realistic, multi-polar. This current Washington idea of "regime-change" is destabilizing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted October 11, 2023 Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 Truman, Kennedy, Johnson (guys in Vietnam), Nixon and ultimately Reagan/Thatcher defeated the Soviets. At the time, the Soviet/Marxists were a threat to the world. ==== Since 1990, the US/Washington has decided it has the power to control the world. This is destabilizing We need a new structure of peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted October 11, 2023 Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 Islam is not a threat to the West - any more than the revolts of 1848 were a threat to the peace of the 19th century. On this, I agree with Obama. Let cooler heads prevail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted October 11, 2023 Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 On 10/9/2023 at 2:17 PM, Moonbox said: I have this genius on ignore, but boy am I glad I read this. Does the cognitive dissonance not bother you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted October 11, 2023 Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 5 hours ago, OftenWrong said: Does the cognitive dissonance not bother you? No. Everything about this thread was brilliant. I'm 10/10 entertained. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted October 12, 2023 Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 On 10/11/2023 at 3:10 AM, August1991 said: In my opinion, NATO no longer needs to exist. Turkey should be free to do what it wants. === We need a new structure of peace in this world. IMHO, it must be realistic, multi-polar. This current Washington idea of "regime-change" is destabilizing. Turkey is free to do what it wants, it invade Syria, without NATO permission, and when NATO questioned them on it turkey said FU.. Turkey is ridding themselves of the Kurdish problem by cleansing them from the earth...The same Kurds we trained and fought side by side with for years in Syria...Canada ended that relationship, with the Kurds, and left them them hanging as we did in Afghanistan..... Nobody is restraining Turkey...they are still killing Kurds today...and the world has not given one f**k. 2 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted October 13, 2023 Report Share Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Army Guy said: Turkey is free to do what it wants, it invade Syria, without NATO permission, and when NATO questioned them on it turkey said FU.. Turkey is ridding themselves of the Kurdish problem by cleansing them from the earth...The same Kurds we trained and fought side by side with for years in Syria...Canada ended that relationship, with the Kurds, and left them them hanging as we did in Afghanistan..... Nobody is restraining Turkey...they are still killing Kurds today...and the world has not given one f**k. Turks and Kurds? Not my problem. We Canadians, trust me, should have nothing to do with anything to do with Kurds. They - Kurds - are the most stubborn people on the planet. ==== Russians are stubborn. Slavs in general. Russians survived under two centuries of Mongols. Bulgarians under several centuries of Turks. ===== But Armenians. And Kurds. Edited October 13, 2023 by August1991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted October 13, 2023 Report Share Posted October 13, 2023 Army Guy, We need a new world structure of peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted October 13, 2023 Report Share Posted October 13, 2023 On 10/11/2023 at 1:56 PM, Moonbox said: No. Everything about this thread was brilliant. I'm 10/10 entertained. Spill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted October 14, 2023 Report Share Posted October 14, 2023 20 hours ago, August1991 said: Turks and Kurds? Not my problem. We Canadians, trust me, should have nothing to do with anything to do with Kurds. They - Kurds - are the most stubborn people on the planet. ==== Russians are stubborn. Slavs in general. Russians survived under two centuries of Mongols. Bulgarians under several centuries of Turks. ===== But Armenians. And Kurds. Thats the problem with this nation, everything is not my problem, They have excuses for everything....It's ok stay indoors close the drapes you'll be fine...Real people will handle the grown up problems... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted October 15, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2023 On 10/10/2023 at 8:55 PM, SpankyMcFarland said: When asked by a German journalist why Greek military spending was so high despite an economy in the ICU, the prime minister explained that it was because Turkey rather than Denmark was next door. If you look at a map of the Aegean/Mediterranean, you'll see hundreds of little islands between Turkey and Greece... They're almost all Greek. Some of the islands are 95% of the way from the Greek mainland to wards Turkey but they're still Greek. Just a handful of very tiny islands right next to Turkey are actually Turkish. It can't be cheap to hold all that territory, right in Turkey's grille like that. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted October 15, 2023 Report Share Posted October 15, 2023 (edited) On 10/13/2023 at 9:29 PM, Army Guy said: Thats the problem with this nation, everything is not my problem, They have excuses for everything....It's ok stay indoors close the drapes you'll be fine...Real people will handle the grown up problems... Disagree. IMHO, Kurds, Armenians? - We Canadians live in peace. We in Canada have a federal state with two federal languages - but no official culture. ==== When it matters, we Canadians show up. Edited October 15, 2023 by August1991 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted October 18, 2023 Report Share Posted October 18, 2023 On 10/13/2023 at 9:29 PM, Army Guy said: Thats the problem with this nation, everything is not my problem, They have excuses for everything....It's ok stay indoors close the drapes you'll be fine...Real people will handle the grown up problems... Yet, people in Canada have a peaceful society - more than Americans, more than Swedes. We people in Canada have lived peacefully together for, uh, about 400 years at least- without war, genocide. Chinese? The people in Canada get along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted October 18, 2023 Report Share Posted October 18, 2023 12 hours ago, August1991 said: Yet, people in Canada have a peaceful society - more than Americans, more than Swedes. We people in Canada have lived peacefully together for, uh, about 400 years at least- without war, genocide. Chinese? The people in Canada get along. 400 years atleast, i thought you were somewhat a history buff, maybe it is not Canadian history your a buff of, you should read some of our history...it's full of war and genocide some have suggested. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted October 21, 2023 Report Share Posted October 21, 2023 On 10/18/2023 at 12:42 PM, Army Guy said: 400 years atleast, i thought you were somewhat a history buff, maybe it is not Canadian history your a buff of, you should read some of our history...it's full of war and genocide some have suggested. Army Guy, I have a different view of history. My father is from Newfoundland. My mother is from Quebec. On both sides, my family arrived centuries ago. We get along - sort of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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