"BUILD THAT WALL"

[Hodad]

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Walls sit there forever and do their job.

You don't have to ask them to work overtime, they can't be accused of whipping people when they're not, they don't throw tear gas, they can't be accused of racism, they don't get sick benefits and they don't get a pension. 

They just sit there forever and do their job.

Where walls exist, policing the border is easier. You don't need as many dogs , choppers, horses, guns, border agents, etc where there's a wall.

You also end up with less illegal crossings which means less detention centers, lower food and shelter costs, less legal expenses, less deportees coming back, less overcrowding, less homelessness, less drugs, etc. 

Leftards tried to sell walls as racist and ineffective and the proof that they were wrong is streaming across the unwalled sections. 

No, in this scenario they don't "sit there forever and do their job." And they were never going to. It was stupid from the first suggestion. And indeed, border crossings went up at the wall sites as well. Even the Koch brother's CATO institute thinks it was asinine.

You people who think a wall like that is going to stop people must have very little ingenuity or imagination. 

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Why did bumbling Biden let this get so out of hand? The only reason has to be that this is what he wanted.

Your IGNORANCE of what the laws allow, completely invalidates YOUR CLAIM of knowing "the only reason." Duh

Edited October 6, 2023 by robosmith

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Its easy to ignore the issue, when it doesn't affect you directly.

Nothing wrong with immigration. Am an immigrant, and immigrants overall make up one of the hardest working and most innovative demographic in the US. Proof of many other instances, is the high percentage of immigrants when considering entrepreneurs in the US.

Not only will they work hard, but if they have capital many will even create work. Indispensable for an economy.

People would rather play politics, than fix the problem.

Immigration isn't the issue. Pourous borders, are the main culprit. It opens the door for unintended consequences. 

No country can function or even claim sovereignty, if it cannot even control something as basic as a border.

Of course you can't stop all illegal entries, but when people make a joke of your border, it just projects so many levels of weakness.

 

Capitalism DEMANDS cheap labor, but IGNORANT right wingers HERE pretend it's the Democrats who encourage illegal immigration.

If the companies stopped hiring illegal labor, they would stop coming.

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

When did this chickenshit invasion begin? When Biden invited them all. Not while Trump was POTUS.

Of course, you  have NO EVIDENCE of ^this "invitation." Provide it or ADMIT YOU ARE LYING.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Walls sit there forever and do their job.

You don't have to ask them to work overtime, they can't be accused of whipping people when they're not, they don't throw tear gas, they can't be accused of racism, they don't get sick benefits and they don't get a pension. 

They just sit there forever and do their job.

Where walls exist, policing the border is easier. You don't need as many dogs , choppers, horses, guns, border agents, etc where there's a wall.

You also end up with less illegal crossings which means less detention centers, lower food and shelter costs, less legal expenses, less deportees coming back, less overcrowding, less homelessness, less drugs, etc. 

Leftards tried to sell walls as racist and ineffective and the proof that they were wrong is streaming across the unwalled sections. 

^Unmitigated BULLSHIT.

Walls are ROUTINELY BREACHED and need continual REPAIR of the holes knocked in them.

[Guest]

31 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

Spending billions of tax dollars on a barrier that can be bypassed in 20 minutes with a cordless die grinder, is certainly money well spent.

The wall should be a layer of security that comes along with it.

You should have a significant amount of resources to police the borders as well, as well as a zero tolerance policy that is quick to reject illegal entries or making it as such as you button up easy to exploit loopholes.

The wall just makes it easier to catch people, vs a wide open border.

Walls on their own, are like a house without an alarm. 

Sure you could defeat both, but when you know you could be met with lethal force you will likely think twice. 

Or in this case, knowing the borders are heavily enforced and policies that make it futile if caught, so knowing you will likely be caught and deported, dramatically will reduce entries.

Scoffing at metal walls being cut with a Sawzall which literally could cut my car in half as a proof of its failure is like scoffing at a suitcase that has a lock, being opened with nothing more than a pen prying the zipper open.

Is it the lock or zipper, or the lack of security that gave the opportunity?

There's a reason why airports have tight security. Borders should be no different.

[Nationalist]

4 hours ago, Hodad said:

And more ignorant twaddle from you. I don't think for a second that you have any idea what "comprehensive immigration reform" even means. You just know  it's not a big, dumb wall. ?

I doubt you even know what it means. Illegal immigrants are so because they came "illegally".

How do you feel about blowing the refugee cap out of the water?

[WestCanMan]

6 hours ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

Spending billions of tax dollars on a barrier that can be bypassed in 20 minutes with a cordless die grinder, is certainly money well spent.

I can sneak 20,000 people across an open ten-mile section of the border in 2 seconds without a sound that's discernible from more than 20 feet away.

How long does it take you to get 20,000 people through that hole that you're gonna spend twenty minutes cutting, genius? 

How far away can guards hear that section of wall being cut through? Ten miles? Sound travels quite well through steel. Maybe it's fifty miles. I wouldn't be surprised. Even if they just have listening stations every mile I'm sure that they'll know right away when a die grinder is cutting through the wall.

If you're cutting the wall for twenty minutes, that means that border guards from as far as 20 miles away can get to where you are if they just go 60mph. Helicopters go about 3 miles per minute, so they can get there from 60 miles away. 

Destruction of US gov't property is also an issue that you have to contend with if you get caught cutting through the wall.

Walls work. That's why most Dem politicians live in gated communities.

[Caswell Thomas]

Nationalist said ..." blame the party who previously had ..some reasonable control of the border".   I see, so really Trump had " reasonable control" ? So it was okay then to separate over 5000  children from their parents, throw them in wire cages on concrete floored cells, deliberately lose all records of where the childrens parents were , and, when questioned about it, say that they " were the children of drug dealers, rapists and criminals so they broke the law when they came here so. ...its perfectly okay what happened to them", and when it was further revealed in Atlantic magazine " The Secret History of the U. S. Governments family separation Policy" by Caitlin Dickinson, ( cover story, The Atlantic, though she worked for the New York Times when she wrote it after 150 interviews with Trump administrators, border agents, children taken, distraught parents, and angry social services personnel at the Border).   This is okay with you? This us " reasonable control"?  

[Nationalist]

6 hours ago, robosmith said:

Your IGNORANCE of what the laws allow, completely invalidates YOUR CLAIM of knowing "the only reason." Duh

So you're more of a dullard than AOC too huh?

Bully...bully...

[CdnFox]

11 hours ago, Rebound said:

The border is 2,000 miles long. Trump added 49 miles of new border wall. 
 

Yeah - funny story there - it was the dems who prevented him from adding more.

THe same dems that are building it now

 

[Nationalist]

14 hours ago, Caswell Thomas said:

Nationalist said ..." blame the party who previously had ..some reasonable control of the border".   I see, so really Trump had " reasonable control" ? So it was okay then to separate over 5000  children from their parents, throw them in wire cages on concrete floored cells, deliberately lose all records of where the childrens parents were , and, when questioned about it, say that they " were the children of drug dealers, rapists and criminals so they broke the law when they came here so. ...its perfectly okay what happened to them", and when it was further revealed in Atlantic magazine " The Secret History of the U. S. Governments family separation Policy" by Caitlin Dickinson, ( cover story, The Atlantic, though she worked for the New York Times when she wrote it after 150 interviews with Trump administrators, border agents, children taken, distraught parents, and angry social services personnel at the Border).   This is okay with you? This us " reasonable control"?  

Actually...the quote was...

"Never in my life have I witnessed such mass stupidity. Open the border. Invite people in...hell give them an online app for it. Then...blame the party that previously had some reasonable control of the border."

Yes. What Trump did was reasonable. What's not reasonable is lying about whipping people. What not reasonable is anything the Biden administration has done...about anything.

Now...gonna answer my question or just ignore it?

[BeaverFever]

So the Biden administrations opposition to the wall hasn’t changed  but congress already appropriated the funds during the trump years so they had no choice  

 

President Joe Biden on Thursday said his administration had no choice but to build about 20 miles more southern border wall -- after he's long dismissed Donald Trump's wall as a waste of money that doesn't work to stop illegal immigration.

"Money was appropriated for the border wall," Biden told reporters, referring to congressional action during the Trump administration. "I tried to get them to reappropriate -- to redirect the money. They didn't, they wouldn't. And in the meantime, there's nothing under the law other than they have to use the money for what is appropriated. I can't stop that."

The White House proposed funds for border barrier construction be rescinded in 2021, but Congress essentially ignored the request….

“We had no choice,” Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said Thursday during a press conference in Mexico. “It was mandated by law. We requested that Congress rescind the direction. It did not do so. We, of course, must follow the law. Our policy remains as it was since day one. We are opposed to the construction of the wall.”

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/biden-claims-choice-build-trumps-border-wall/story?id=103757017

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

So the Biden administrations opposition to the wall hasn’t changed  but congress already appropriated the funds during the trump years so they had no choice 

SIgh. THey absolutely had a choice.  Nobody anywhere is buying the 'didn't have a choice' thing. The only people saying that are dem shills.

 

[CrakHoBarbie]

On 10/6/2023 at 3:39 PM, WestCanMan said:

I can sneak 20,000 people across an open ten-mile section of the border in 2 seconds without a sound that's discernible from more than 20 feet away.

How long does it take you to get 20,000 people through that hole that you're gonna spend twenty minutes cutting, genius? 

How far away can guards hear that section of wall being cut through? Ten miles? Sound travels quite well through steel. Maybe it's fifty miles. I wouldn't be surprised. Even if they just have listening stations every mile I'm sure that they'll know right away when a die grinder is cutting through the wall.

If you're cutting the wall for twenty minutes, that means that border guards from as far as 20 miles away can get to where you are if they just go 60mph. Helicopters go about 3 miles per minute, so they can get there from 60 miles away. 

Destruction of US gov't property is also an issue that you have to contend with if you get caught cutting through the wall.

Walls work. That's why most Dem politicians live in gated communities.

You'd be foolish to think that there's not going to be an army of cordless die grinders in this poorly thought out "barriers" future.

[robosmith]

On 10/6/2023 at 3:39 PM, WestCanMan said:

I can sneak 20,000 people across an open ten-mile section of the border in 2 seconds without a sound that's discernible from more than 20 feet away.

Aside from dynamite which can blow holes in walls, you're apparently also unfamiliar with tech which can be embedded in the ground and transmit the sound analysis by RADIO.

On 10/6/2023 at 5:30 PM, Nationalist said:

So you're more of a dullard than AOC too huh?

Bully...bully...

No, that would be YOU, who imagines he knows US law better than a sitting Congressperson.

[robosmith]

On 10/7/2023 at 10:31 PM, CdnFox said:

SIgh. THey absolutely had a choice.  Nobody anywhere is buying the 'didn't have a choice' thing. The only people saying that are dem shills.

 

Prove it. Cite the legal framework which allows the POTUS to ignore Congressional appropriations.

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Prove it. Cite the legal framework which allows the POTUS to ignore Congressional appropriations.

I"m not sure what the point is, it's going to go over your head anyway.  I mean i had to explain to you that the President ws the Commander in Chief of the armed forces.  So this is a little bit more complex.  But what the hell - Sure,

This explains the appropriatons act and surrounding acts decently.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46417

So there you go. You were wrong again.

The super short ultra basic version is that while you can't spend money without congress's signing off on it, you don't have to spend the money they sign off on.

Bet you feel a little silly now

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Aside from dynamite which can blow holes in walls, you're apparently also unfamiliar with tech which can be embedded in the ground and transmit the sound analysis by RADIO.

No, that would be YOU, who imagines he knows US law better than a sitting Congressperson.

Like AOC?

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Like AOC?

no no - she's implanted above ground and her sound transmissions are used to stupify weak minded lefties and also have been found to drive moles out of the area.  But it's similar.

[August1991]

On 10/6/2023 at 7:02 AM, Nationalist said:

So...none of our Libbie posters wish to touch this. Can't say I'm surprised. Once again we see just how constantly wrong they are.

I'm no liberal. I'm a realist.

We cannot build a wall.

====

Unlike Swedes, Finns, Europeans, you Americans have a tremendous advantage. You know how to integrate people.

You do it in a Prussian way - but also protestant. You force people to think like you - but you let think as they want!

[Nationalist]

8 hours ago, August1991 said:

I'm no liberal. I'm a realist.

We cannot build a wall.

Sure we can...and we are. 

I have to admit a small amount of satisfaction, watching Biden flail about like a fish out of water. Except that his actions are...you know...

Disastrous. 

[Hodad]

57 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Sure we can...and we are. 

I have to admit a small amount of satisfaction, watching Biden flail about like a fish out of water. Except that his actions are...you know...

Disastrous. 

What is this "we" crap? You don't even live in the U.S. You're like those sports fans who are so wrapped up in the team they follow that they confuse their own sense of identity and start taking about "we scored a touchdown."

You're welcome to opine about what goes on in any country, but there is no "I" in "team" and the is no "we" in "U.S."

[Nationalist]

55 minutes ago, Hodad said:

What is this "we" crap? You don't even live in the U.S. You're like those sports fans who are so wrapped up in the team they follow that they confuse their own sense of identity and start taking about "we scored a touchdown."

You're welcome to opine about what goes on in any country, but there is no "I" in "team" and the is no "we" in "U.S."

ROFLMAO...yes Dear...

[Deluge]

On 10/5/2023 at 7:09 PM, Nationalist said:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-build-new-barriers-roads-texas-border-area-2023-10-05/

Giggle.

 

Too little, too late, Joe Stalen. You're a one-term President, and a fraudulent one at that. 

10 hours ago, August1991 said:

I'm no liberal. I'm a realist.

We cannot build a wall.

====

Unlike Swedes, Finns, Europeans, you Americans have a tremendous advantage. You know how to integrate people.

You do it in a Prussian way - but also protestant. You force people to think like you - but you let think as they want!

You're not a realist, you're a defeatist. 

You cannot fight to keep our borders secure. 

Edited October 11, 2023 by Deluge

[Deluge]

On 10/6/2023 at 8:26 AM, Rebound said:

As usual, I have no idea what you’re talking about.  
 

Biden didn’t remove one inch of Trump’s wall, so if Trump’s wall worked, why do we have so many illegals coming in? Derr!  Cause the wall doesn’t work, eh? 

Are you trying to tell me that you're just as opposed to illegal immigration as we are?