I don't give a damn about truth and reconciliation

[Zeitgeist]

39 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Prosperous for the most part, especially the ones that have signed treaties.

It's true they can't take out a mortgage against a house on a 1st Nations village but who says they can't buy property? We all have free health care and I think higher education should be free for everyone too. 

Well, come talk to me after we strip the 1% of all the subsidies, special status and benefits they receive. 

Do natives on reserves pay property taxes?  Do they pay taxes that go towards health and education?   That status card even refunds HST.  

[PIK]

On 9/30/2023 at 2:38 PM, BeaverFever said:

Simply put, the OP and like-minded people on this forum are blithely ignorant of FN people and their issues   Nobody is supposed to feel “guilty” and FN people are not simply asking for more money  Arguments that other peoples atrocities were worse or that “most” of the people committing these acts of genocide had good intentions based on the values of the day are. subjective and ultimately irrelevant.  

Anyone who thinks FN people live this great life with “free” perks had never been to a Reserve. Many of these communities are third-world squalor and the “free” services provided by the federal government are third world quality and are next to useless. The usual suspects on this site also have no idea what FN people are demanding 

Everyone on all sides of the issue agrees that the Indian Act, which was originally intended to be an institution of genocide is the at the root of the problem. But nobody can agree on what should replace it. 

Have you? I live close to one, most are doing very well. And could do better, if their own chiefs and councils weren't ripping them off. I want receipts or cut them off.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

Do natives on reserves pay property taxes?  Do they pay taxes that go towards health and education?   That status card even refunds HST.  

They'll be paying taxes next door according to the treaty.

[Zeitgeist]

57 minutes ago, eyeball said:

They'll be paying taxes next door according to the treaty.

Can I have a treaty?  I was born in Canada.  Oh right, not Indigenous enough.  One has to come from original bloodlines like ethnic aristocracy.  Pretty racist stuff.

Edited October 5, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[I am Groot]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

What kind of treaties do they have in these places?  $10 says they're old, inadequate, unfulfilled and need to be renegotiated.

Not good at admitting you're wrong, are you?

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Can I have a treaty?  I was born in Canada.  Oh right, not Indigenous enough.  One has to come from original bloodlines like ethnic aristocracy.  Pretty racist stuff.

You get the treaty too.

You really don't have a very good grasp of what's going on here do you?

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Not good at admitting you're wrong, are you?

What are you taking about, you think I'm lying about my experience the last 50 years?

If you don't like living in a territory where natives aren't prosperous and don't pay taxes why don't you pressure your government to negotiate a more encompassing comprehensive modern treaty with them?

I'm also not lying when I say modern treaty settlements are one of the biggest economic drivers in my region, have been for years now.  You're missing out.

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Can I have a treaty?  I was born in Canada.  Oh right, not Indigenous enough.  One has to come from original bloodlines like ethnic aristocracy.  Pretty racist stuff.

That's the kick in the teeth.

We know first nations are not indigenous.  They came here across the land bridge from asia.

But even tho there are people living here who's families have been her for hundreds of years, they're not 'indigenuos' enough - and cancelling THEIR culture was no problem.

A first nations person has every single right that i do. Plus a bunch on top that i don't. How is that fair?

[Zeitgeist]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

You get the treaty too.

You really don't have a very good grasp of what's going on here do you?

I do.  Some treaties were signed which give hereditary rights to blood related descendants.  Other people claiming continuous exclusive occupation of areas hope to claim territory.  Courts look at evidence to determine who today should get free stuff based on things that happened 300 or more years ago kind of thing.  United Empire Loyalists lost their property in the US when they fled to Canada, but Indigenous get a better deal.  If you’re honest, it’s not a lot more complicated than that.  There are many different groups, “un ceded territory”, various arrangements, but it’s basically about special status and land rights, treaty obligations, and who gets that status, land, etc.  It isn’t anyone who immigrated to Canada over the past 400 plus years.  

[PIK]

We have a competition to build  a monument to our war dead in afghanistan, the judges picked a winner. Trudeau over rides the the judges and he awards it to a native group. WTF is going on. I hope the native don't accept it, because they are just being used by Trudeau to start trouble.

Edited October 6, 2023 by PIK

[Dougie93]

23 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Can I have a treaty?  I was born in Canada.  Oh right, not Indigenous enough.  One has to come from original bloodlines like ethnic aristocracy.  Pretty racist stuff.

but that is the nature of Canada dating back to the founding

the French & Indians are granted special collective rights

this is why Canada is not and never could be a republic

only the monarchy allows for such contradictions

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

but that is the nature of Canada dating back to the founding

the French & Indians are granted special collective rights

this is why Canada is not and never could be a republic

only the monarchy allows for such contradictions

I more or less accept this lopsided confederation.  It’s important that people see it for what it is: our culture.  

Edited October 6, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

I more or less accept this lopsided confederation.  It’s important that people see it for what it is: our culture.  

I adhere to my solemn oath undertaken

hand on the King James Bible before God Himself

beneath the laid up Colours at St Andrew's Church at Toronto

to be faithful and bear true allegiance

to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada, Her Heirs and Successors

for better or worse

a nation forged in fire & blood upon Hill One Four Five at Pas de Calais : Canadian Calvary

Regiment, Colours, Commander-in-Chief

Dulce et Decorum est

 

 

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, PIK said:

We have a competition to build  a monument to our war dead in afghanistan, the judges picked a winner. Trudeau over rides the the judges and he awards it to a native group. WTF is going on. I hope the native don't accept it, because they are just being used by Trudeau to start trouble.

People know when the best work and people are sidelined to achieve racist “equity” goals.  It just divides people and breeds contempt.  There’s plenty of great native art that can stand on its own feet in competitions, so let people compete on the merit of their work.  

[I am Groot]

20 hours ago, eyeball said:

I'm also not lying when I say modern treaty settlements are one of the biggest economic drivers in my region, have been for years now.  You're missing out.

Riiight. All we have to do is give every little native village billions of dollars and they'll buy all kinds of stuff!

[I am Groot]

3 hours ago, PIK said:

We have a competition to build  a monument to our war dead in afghanistan, the judges picked a winner. Trudeau over rides the the judges and he awards it to a native group. WTF is going on. I hope the native don't accept it, because they are just being used by Trudeau to start trouble.

Have you seen the one that the jury selected? Personally, I think the other one is better.

https://daoustlestage.com/en/project/the-national-monument-to-canadas-mission-in-afghanistan/

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

Riiight. All we have to do is give every little native village billions of dollars and they'll buy all kinds of stuff!

Your determination to be as bitter and cynical about this will probably give you an ulcer or worse. You should learn to let it go.

[August1991]

On 10/4/2023 at 10:44 AM, CdnFox said:

So you're saying what the first nations are going through now is the same as slavery.

Well - i think we can pretty much say your credibility is out the window.

First nations?

No. I was curious about slavery. To me, slavery is a lack of choice.