Sure is easy to kill people you don't like in America.

[NYLefty]

Fat white boy full of hate. Goes out buys readily available type large cap mag, semi auto guns that can help him fulfill his twisted fantasy of killing these people. What is wrong with this freakin country when we can let twisted hateful freaks such as this guy fulfill his dreams so easily

[Guest]

4 hours ago, NYLefty said:

What is wrong with this freakin country when we can let twisted hateful freaks such as this guy fulfill his dreams so easily

You're in the midst of a culture war. Current generations are the lonelinest of memory.

Blaming guns, is like blaming McDonald's for obesity.

There is a deeper rooted issue at hand here.

[Michael Hardner]

Ok but why allow access to mass killing machines at such a time?

Is a sick society able to diagnose itself?

[Rebound]

3 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

You're in the midst of a culture war. Current generations are the lonelinest of memory.

Blaming guns, is like blaming McDonald's for obesity.

There is a deeper rooted issue at hand here.

It’s not about the culture war.  
The people who perpetrate these random mass shootings are mentally disturbed.  

[Deluge]

9 hours ago, NYLefty said:

I'm a race hustler. 

We know you are, jacka$$, we know you are.

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

You're in the midst of a culture war. Current generations are the lonelinest of memory.

Blaming guns, is like blaming McDonald's for obesity.

It is OBVIOUS that freely available guns is what makes KILLING EASY.

That's why soldiers don't go to war with ONLY knives.

5 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

There is a deeper rooted issue at hand here.

Sure. But if those with "deeper rooted issue" could not get guns, it would not be so easy for them to KILL. Duh

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

It’s not about the culture war.  
The people who perpetrate these random mass shootings are mentally disturbed.  

America, the world, creates its own demons. 

What causes these people to become disturbed, would be closer to finding an actual solution.

I was seriously bullied in high school. Sorry, but its not difficult for me to figure out why a person would want to put a bullet between someone's eyes.

[Guest]

32 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Sure. But if those with "deeper rooted issue" could not get guns, it would not be so easy for them to KILL. Duh

Not necessarily. Would just make a mass killing much harder.

Honestly, murder is quite easy with something as simple as a hunting knife or brass knuckles.

I mean, I could and have found easy pipe bomb recipes online on the dark web. Mostly made with ingredients you could walk into a store and find.

Nails, metal shards, and you have an incredibly devastating bomb blast.

Making guns harder to find doesn't reduce murder rates. Illegal guns are abundant.

36 minutes ago, robosmith said:

That's why soldiers don't go to war with ONLY knives.

They also wouldn't use hand guns in a firefight.

[reason10]

10 hours ago, NYLefty said:

Fat white boy full of hate. Goes out buys readily available type large cap mag, semi auto guns that can help him fulfill his twisted fantasy of killing these people. What is wrong with this freakin country when we can let twisted hateful freaks such as this guy fulfill his dreams so easily

You are a RACIST SON OF A BICCCH.

What about it being easy for blacks to kill whites?

Or for that matter, why doesn't it bother you that most black murders are perpetrated by blacks.

Crawl back under your rock, you ignorant puddle of scum.

[NYLefty]

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

It’s not about the culture war.  
The people who perpetrate these random mass shootings are mentally disturbed.  

Nobody disputes that and its abundantly obvious 

[robosmith]

42 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Not necessarily. Would just make a mass killing much harder.

Killing one is ALWAYS easier than killing many, no matter what instrument is used.

Cause once people are dying the others put up defenses.

42 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Honestly, murder is quite easy with something as simple as a hunting knife or brass knuckles.

Much easier with a gun, cause you don't have to get CLOSE and incur as much risk of being attacked yourself.

42 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

I mean, I could and have found easy pipe bomb recipes online on the dark web. Mostly made with ingredients you could walk into a store and find.

Much easier to use a gun and just buy the bullet.

42 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Nails, metal shards, and you have an incredibly devastating bomb blast.

Where do you walk into a store and buy such a bomb off the shelf?

42 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Making guns harder to find doesn't reduce murder rates. Illegal guns are abundant.

Making guns harder to BUY makes illegal guns scarcer since many illegal guns are stolen from legal owners.

42 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

They also wouldn't use hand guns in a firefight.

They would if they had nothing else.

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

Not necessarily. Would just make a mass killing much harder.

Honestly, murder is quite easy with something as simple as a hunting knife or brass knuckles.

I mean, I could and have found easy pipe bomb recipes online on the dark web. Mostly made with ingredients you could walk into a store and find.

Nails, metal shards, and you have an incredibly devastating bomb blast.

Making guns harder to find doesn't reduce murder rates. Illegal guns are abundant.

They also wouldn't use hand guns in a firefight.

Except the statistics are ultra obviously painfully clear that people with semiautomatic weapons kill a LOT more people in mass shootings.  
 

The last US bombing I recall was the terrible Boston Marathon bombing, which killed three people. Horrible, but nothing compared to gun deaths.  Before that was the very unique Oklahoma City bombing, and we put restrictions and monitoring on sales of the raw ingredients used in that attack and we fortunately haven’t had one since. 
 

You’re denying reality by saying that the easy availability of semiautomatic weapons hasn’t lead to a massive increase in gun related deaths. It absolutely has. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Where do you walk into a store and buy such a bomb off the shelf?

I won't state ingredients for obvious reasons, but can be found even easier than a gun.

Building a pipe bomb is insanely easy.

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Making guns harder to BUY makes illegal guns scarcer since many illegal guns are stolen from legal owners.

Good luck getting that passed in the US. You would have to almost ban guns.

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

in mass shootings

Look up murder rates with hand guns. Last time I checked, far more people die this way in the US.

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

Horrible, but nothing compared to gun deaths

Mostly handgun deaths. Those who fear monger want to ban guns that don't kill most Americans. 

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

You’re denying reality by saying that the easy availability of semiautomatic weapons hasn’t lead to a massive increase in gun related deaths. It absolutely has

No, I like asking deeper questions. What is driving these people to want to kill people.

You're blaming McDonald's. But somewhere along the way, a person decided to drive down a block and order two big mac meals, daily.

You would have to outright ban guns, to stop the issue.

Or accept this isn't a gun problem. That's too easy a finger to point. Its a cultural problem.

[Rebound]

9 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

I won't state ingredients for obvious reasons, but can be found even easier than a gun.

Building a pipe bomb is insanely easy.

Good luck getting that passed in the US. You would have to almost ban guns.

Look up murder rates with hand guns. Last time I checked, far more people die this way in the US.

Mostly handgun deaths. Those who fear monger want to ban guns that don't kill most Americans. 

No, I like asking deeper questions. What is driving these people to want to kill people.

You're blaming McDonald's. But somewhere along the way, a person decided to drive down a block and order two big mac meals, daily.

You would have to outright ban guns, to stop the issue.

Or accept this isn't a gun problem. That's too easy a finger to point. Its a cultural problem.

Answer this simple question then:

If the availability of guns has no impact on gun-related deaths, homicides, suicides and mass shootings, and it is purely mental health, then what mental health factor causes America to have such a drastically higher rate of gun-related deaths, homicides, suicides and mass shootings? How are we different from Norwegians or Germans or Canadians? 

[Guest]

42 minutes ago, Rebound said:

How are we different from Norwegians or Germans or Canadians? 

In so many ways o_O

The US is a highly riotous country for starters. Its part of your DNA.

Also insanely litigious.

Confrontation is literally your military history.

What would be a few choice words in traffic in Canada, far too often is a deadly shooting in the US.

Its cultural.

Canada had just over 890 homicides last year. Our population is over 30 million. 

This is not a lack of guns. This is a different culture.

So many other countries with tons of guns don't even come close to your numbers.

53 minutes ago, Rebound said:

If the availability of guns has no impact on gun-related deaths, homicides, suicides and mass shootings

No, you're twisting my words. I made it insanely clear. Handguns kill many Americans, every year. I openly stated this.

What I am refuting, is the claim that semi automatic rifles are somehow a threat. It isn't even remotely close to being factual and is fear mongering.

You would require as I said, to fully ban firearms, if you genuinely wanted to put a curb to gun violence.

Am not denying the reality of this fact. Am denying the reality that your elected officials will never allow this to happen, because those who pull their strings require the sales of guns to continue as if nothing happened.

[CdnFox]

14 hours ago, NYLefty said:

Fat white boy full of hate. Goes out buys readily available type large cap mag, semi auto guns that can help him fulfill his twisted fantasy of killing these people. What is wrong with this freakin country when we can let twisted hateful freaks such as this guy fulfill his dreams so easily

Are you related to Myata? I remember when you weren't so emotionally damaged and could speak coherently.

What the hell are you even talking about?

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

I won't state ingredients for obvious reasons, but can be found even easier than a gun.

I've built a pipe bomb and know the ingredients. It's much easier to buy bullets off the shelf and hit a human target.

2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Building a pipe bomb is insanely easy.

Not easier than shooting a loaded gun.

2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Good luck getting that passed in the US. You would have to almost ban guns.

Severe liability for your gun's use in a crime would go a long way. As would mandated biometric locking.

[CdnFox]

22 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Not easier than shooting a loaded gun.

Sure it is.  In fact most shootings that arent cirminal miss their targets or dont' wind up killing people unless the person has a decent amount of training.

Take for example the oklahoma bombing vs the las vegas shootings.  In one case- 10 very expensive guns each modified with thousands of roudns of ammo, hundreds of rounds fired from a static position at a croud that was almost impossible to miss.  60 dead, some of whom were trampled not shot.

It would have taken a lot of time to earn hte money to buy all those guns - and a lot of time to buy them, modify them, get them into place etc and a fair bit of time to train to shoot at least half assed decent,

Oklahoma - ONE bomb, fairly easy to make, cheap to buy, no experience necessary to set it off,  168 dead.  More wounded too.

 

So there you go.

Edited August 28, 2023 by CdnFox

[robosmith]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Sure it is.  In fact most shootings that arent cirminal miss their targets or dont' wind up killing people unless the person has a decent amount of training.

Take for example the oklahoma bombing vs the las vegas shootings.  In one case- 10 very expensive guns each modified with thousands of roudns of ammo, hundreds of rounds fired from a static position at a croud that was almost impossible to miss.  60 dead, some of whom were trampled not shot.

It would have taken a lot of time to earn hte money to buy all those guns - and a lot of time to buy them, modify them, get them into place etc and a fair bit of time to train to shoot at least half assed decent,

Oklahoma - ONE bomb, fairly easy to make, cheap to buy, no experience necessary to set it off,  168 dead.  More wounded too.

 

So there you go.

In reality, there were MULTIPLE BARRELS of ammonium nitrate in that TRUCK, and as a result of that bombing it is NOW much harder to obtain that chemical in bulk. BTW, McVeigh HAD HELP.

Oh, and the LV shooter could have been much more effective if he wasn't shooting from hundreds of yards away.

Acquiring those guns was much EASIER than building that huge bomb.

[Aristides]

Amurica, a country that actually sanctions mass killings by making the means to carry them out available to all. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Severe liability for your gun's use in a crime would go a long way. As would mandated biometric locking

Good luck getting this passed country wide.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

In reality, there were MULTIPLE BARRELS of ammonium nitrate in that TRUCK, and as a result of that bombing it is NOW much harder to obtain that chemical in bulk. BTW, McVeigh HAD HELP.

Nope. Easy as hell.  You can build a very effective pressure cooker bomb with fireworks.  Ask these people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Marathon_bombing

Lots of easy ways to make a bomb

Swing and a miss there kiddo

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Oh, and the LV shooter could have been much more effective if he wasn't shooting from hundreds of yards away.

Nope. That's not how guns work.  He had the calculations for the distance, he'd sited in for that (this was discovered in his stuff),  And he was very close, he was just above them.

ANd he wasn't hundreds of yards away. He was about 300 ft away.  32nd floor - very close to the venue.  So MAYBE 100 yards to the far end, and most of that down hill.   THat gives him a decent angle to hit mutliple people (which he did). As anyone who hunts will tell you 100 yards is nothing at all, and that bullet barely slows down at that range especially downhill.  You MIGHT argue he'd have hit more from the 14th floor - but distance wasn't a factor.

You know nothing of guns. Your excuses are pathetic.

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Acquiring those guns was much EASIER than building that huge bomb.

Nope.  Takes more work more time and a lot more money.

[TreeBeard]

Right-wing violence, and threats, are rampant in the USA.   There is no equivalent on the far left, is there?

https://ktul.com/news/local/were-not-scared-week-of-bomb-threats-shakes-oklahoma-parents-urge-calm#
 

https://insidethemagic.net/2023/06/nazis-and-white-supremacists-swarm-walt-disney-world-jnw1/
 

https://patch.com/massachusetts/woburn/neo-nazi-group-holds-anti-immigrant-rally-woburn

 

[CdnFox]

16 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Right-wing violence, and threats, are rampant in the USA.   There is no equivalent on the far left, is there?

https://ktul.com/news/local/were-not-scared-week-of-bomb-threats-shakes-oklahoma-parents-urge-calm#
 

https://insidethemagic.net/2023/06/nazis-and-white-supremacists-swarm-walt-disney-world-jnw1/
 

https://patch.com/massachusetts/woburn/neo-nazi-group-holds-anti-immigrant-rally-woburn

 

Sure.

https://www.christianpost.com/news/the-covenant-school-transgender-killer-and-her-6-victims.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/colorado-springs-suspect-identifies-nonbinary-uses-pronounces-defense-rcna58499

https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/14/homepage2/james-hodgkinson-profile/index.html

And of course the attacker of nancy pelosi's husband was a left wing hemp dealer who was a nudist activist (might be more of an issue of being crazy tho    Just sayin'. )

 

There are many others  but you'll notice an interesting thing. If a mass shooter is found to have right wing beliefs - that will be plastered all over the news story and you'll get 'TRUMP SUPPORTER KILLS PEOPLE".  But - if they turn out to be left wing supporters - that fact is rarely broadcast.  It'll get a mention if at all very deep in the story and not come up again as a rule.

 

People are just people.  Left wing right wing - they all can be crazy and violent and both sides constantly use rhetoric to work the other people up. 

Sorry if you thought it was just a republican thing.  Don't watch so much cnn  

[Aristides]

 

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And of course the attacker of nancy pelosi's husband was a left wing hemp dealer who was a nudist activist (might be more of an issue of being crazy tho    Just sayin'. )

 

And of course, a Trump supporter.

https://news.yahoo.com/know-david-depape-suspect-attack-180905966.html