myata Posted August 30, 2023 Author Report Posted August 30, 2023 43 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: Which parties are you referring to? How were they denied an honest and fair opportunity? Look, let's not be funny and use funny words, ok? If you have real parties in the real normal meaning of the word, parliamentary parties, many of them, there's only one fair to compare them: based on their total vote, the full count of votes given to them by the citizens. The one with most votes, not some funny tokens distributed in some funny way, wins the election. Fair and clear. These would be real parties. And if you have funny management corporations splitting vote between themselves in a funny way sure. Just don't use the same word. Be grown up and honest about it. Seriously, in this age the funny wordplay cannot fool anybody. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Army Guy Posted August 30, 2023 Report Posted August 30, 2023 There are many rumors flying around that the Liberals MP are not that happy with their leader, Liberal voters well a large portion of them think Justin should step down.. Which brings this question, If Justin steps down, who is going to step up, who would stand a chance to gain ground lost in polls by your boy Justin... I personally hope Justin ego gets the best of him and he stays on...That being said anything could happen and the liberals find a super hero that stands a chance... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Queenmandy85 Posted August 30, 2023 Report Posted August 30, 2023 12 minutes ago, myata said: If you have real parties in the real normal meaning of the word, parliamentary parties, many of them, there's only one fair to compare them: based on their total vote, the full count of votes given to them by the citizens. The one with most votes, not some funny tokens distributed in some funny way, wins the election. Fair and clear. These would be real parties. I don't know what you mean by funny tokens. A federal general election in Canada is actually 338 different elections. You are electing a Member of Parliament in your riding. So, the parties who nominated them, unless they are independents, receive votes from the electors in that riding. So, their total votes determine who will sit in Parliament for that riding. I am not sure what you mean by "based on their total vote, the full count of votes given to them by the citizens." That is how it works now. How is that different from what you are advocating? 22 minutes ago, myata said: let's not be funny and use funny words, If you can let us know what the "funny words" are, I will endeavour to avoid them if I can. Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
Queenmandy85 Posted August 30, 2023 Report Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Army Guy said: There are many rumors flying around that the Liberals MP are not that happy with their leader, Liberal voters well a large portion of them think Justin should step down.. Which brings this question, If Justin steps down, who is going to step up, who would stand a chance to gain ground lost in polls by your boy Justin... I personally hope Justin ego gets the best of him and he stays on...That being said anything could happen and the liberals find a super hero that stands a chance... I believe he will step down. He will want to go out a winner. As a replacement, the first name that comes to mind would be Minister Freeland, but, for some reason, women do not fair well in federal politics. All the best ones are in the CPC. I hear Minister Champagne wants it. Personally, if I were a grit, I would sit this leadership campaign out. Mr. Poilievre is going to win and who ever is leading the Liberals will have a short term in the leader's office. Historically the Liberals wind up with a person they cannot resist, a sure fire winner who quickly fizzes out. John Turner and Paul Martin spring to mind. I don't see anyone in cabinet who can right the ship. Sometimes, someone comes to the surface we never expected. Better stock up on popcorn. Edited August 30, 2023 by Queenmandy85 Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
myata Posted August 30, 2023 Author Report Posted August 30, 2023 21 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: A federal general election in Canada is actually 338 different elections. funny 21 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: You are electing a Member of Parliament in your riding funny 21 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: So, the parties funny word, explained 22 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: So, their total votes determine funny counting bs 22 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: I am not sure what you mean by "based on their total vote It means the total vote received from the voters in the election, that fair and accurate representation should reflect. Not some funny old and far from innocent gimmicks. 24 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: That is how it works now. That's what was said. Much funny nonsense that can fool nobody in this time and century. 24 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: How is that different Very much. Just think a bit more and you'll see it, clearly. 25 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: If you can let us know what the "funny words" are Happy to oblige. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
myata Posted August 30, 2023 Author Report Posted August 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Queenmandy85 said: Better stock up on popcorn. Your best hope. Others discuss meaningful change, progress and advancement. Real democracy means and can do that, not the show one though. Noooo, such a can of worms yawn yawn. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Queenmandy85 Posted August 30, 2023 Report Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, myata said: Your best hope. Others discuss meaningful change, progress and advancement. Real democracy means and can do that, not the show one though. Noooo, such a can of worms yawn yawn. 15 minutes ago, myata said: funny funny funny word, explained funny counting bs It means the total vote received from the voters in the election, that fair and accurate representation should reflect. Not some funny old and far from innocent gimmicks. That's what was said. Much funny nonsense that can fool nobody in this time and century. Very much. Just think a bit more and you'll see it, clearly. Happy to oblige. Your flippant response tells me you are not serious. I really won't lable anyone a troll, but your lack of respect and tendency to pretend to respond in pretend riddles makes it difficult to take you seriously. I have patiently tried to help you but it is late and the Bluejays are behind 5-2. Edited August 30, 2023 by Queenmandy85 2 Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
myata Posted August 30, 2023 Author Report Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: makes it difficult to take you seriously I'm not at all worried or disappointed because you won't take anything seriously. Preserving the grotesquely outdated, ineffective as can be observed in any number of conundrums soon to develop into crises, and grossly inefficient management system is the only correct answer. We know it's the only answer that is allowed and we proved it again, hurray! Have your wish. It comes with a cost though, you know. Dinosaurs know. Edited August 30, 2023 by myata Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
ExFlyer Posted August 30, 2023 Report Posted August 30, 2023 10 hours ago, Army Guy said: There are many rumors flying around that the Liberals MP are not that happy with their leader, Liberal voters well a large portion of them think Justin should step down.. Which brings this question, If Justin steps down, who is going to step up, who would stand a chance to gain ground lost in polls by your boy Justin... I personally hope Justin ego gets the best of him and he stays on...That being said anything could happen and the liberals find a super hero that stands a chance... There are others that agree with you. Joe Oliver: Shh! Was that the Liberal leadership race getting underway? https://ca.yahoo.com/finance/news/joe-oliver-shh-liberal-leadership-100054296.html Quote It can be dangerous to believe things just because you want them to be true. - Sagan
myata Posted August 30, 2023 Author Report Posted August 30, 2023 The blue or the read one, the race is on! Will he/she/they or will not? Don't think, jump and cheer. Have you bought popcorn it's fun! The entertainment democracy" ritual for the lazy and complacent. Pleasant surprises are rare and far in between in such cases . Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Army Guy Posted August 30, 2023 Report Posted August 30, 2023 4 hours ago, ExFlyer said: There are others that agree with you. Joe Oliver: Shh! Was that the Liberal leadership race getting underway? https://ca.yahoo.com/finance/news/joe-oliver-shh-liberal-leadership-100054296.html I think we can all see the writing on the wall, Liberals are down in the polls, cabinet shuffle, some infighting going on, failed after failed policies, i think Canadians are tired of Justin and his gang, i think the polls say it all... I'd be curious to what the liberal voters are thinking right now, is Justin the best candidate for the job, or are they going to jump ship for a fresh face...and who would that face be... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
TreeBeard Posted August 30, 2023 Report Posted August 30, 2023 Trudeau doesn’t have to be the best leader. He just has to be better than PP. I don’t think the Cons are doing themselves any favours by saddling themselves with social conservative tomfoolery. The election is still 2 years away. And if social conservatism is what the Cons will be focused on, they’re going to lose all this momentum. https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/politics/2023/8/29/1_6539246.amp.html 1 Quote
myata Posted August 30, 2023 Author Report Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) Between forced goodness of the Liberals and bobblehead, substance-free opposition there may not be a better choice. Binary politics has run its course, is detrimental to the interests of the society and a danger to the democracy. Edited August 30, 2023 by myata Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Army Guy Posted August 30, 2023 Report Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Trudeau doesn’t have to be the best leader. He just has to be better than PP. I don’t think the Cons are doing themselves any favours by saddling themselves with social conservative tomfoolery. The election is still 2 years away. And if social conservatism is what the Cons will be focused on, they’re going to lose all this momentum. https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/politics/2023/8/29/1_6539246.amp.html It is true conservatives have always found a way to screw up and hand Justin the keys to the country...but will the NDP continue to hold up the liberals, and if they do what will it cost them ? ...Most Canadians have had enough of Justin and his merry band....It is unlikely that Justin is going to find the the magic wand to fix all his woes, in the next 2 years... another question would be perhaps Justin does want to go our a winner of sorts, and maybe he will step down... if thats the case who is going to pick up the torch...Freeland? Edited August 30, 2023 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
TreeBeard Posted August 30, 2023 Report Posted August 30, 2023 20 minutes ago, Army Guy said: It is true conservatives have always found a way to screw up and hand Justin the keys to the country...but will the NDP continue to hold up the liberals, and if they do what will it cost them ? ...Most Canadians have had enough of Justin and his merry band....It is unlikely that Justin is going to find the the magic wand to fix all his woes, in the next 2 years... another question would be perhaps Justin does want to go our a winner of sorts, and maybe he will step down... if thats the case who is going to pick up the torch...Freeland? Justin doesn’t need to fix his woes. He just needs to convince people that PP will be worse. Not hard to do given his pro-trucker, anti-science silliness. If he does step down, I think the Libs probably win again. The NDP is losing nothing by supporting the Libs. This is the most effectual they’ve been maybe ever, despite having a completely lacklustre leader. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted August 31, 2023 Report Posted August 31, 2023 41 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: uJstin doesn’t need to fix his woes. He just needs to convince people that PP will be worse. Not hard to do given his pro-trucker, anti-science silliness. That window is closed. First off - right now it's hard to convince anyone that anything's worse than justin. The public has already decided justin is horrible. Second - PP has already made a favorable impression and continues to rise every month in popularity AND percieved competence. So - there will be no 'convincing' people otherwise, they've already got their impressions. It would require something bad to happen (like PP gets caught actually eating a baby) for that impression to be seriously altered. So that's largely slipped out of justin's hands. PP is already polling at a majority and justin is falling to a potential major collapse, perhaps returning the libs to third place for the second time. What should be worrying them the most is the slow and steady climb of PP. For a year now he's gotten a little more popular every month, even through the usually quiet summer. IF this keeps up at the same pace, by the time we hit mid 2024 PP will be looking at a super majority - not just the most seas but more than 50 percent of the popular vote. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
myata Posted August 31, 2023 Author Report Posted August 31, 2023 And another bobblehead will rule like a king in this 21st century. And on, and on. Do the same thing, over and again, that led you to mediocre, or even miserable results and hope for a different outcome? Nope. Never worked that way. And never will. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Army Guy Posted August 31, 2023 Report Posted August 31, 2023 14 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Justin doesn’t need to fix his woes. He just needs to convince people that PP will be worse. Not hard to do given his pro-trucker, anti-science silliness. If he does step down, I think the Libs probably win again. The NDP is losing nothing by supporting the Libs. This is the most effectual they’ve been maybe ever, despite having a completely lacklustre leader. How is that working out for him, he has been trailing in the polls for the last year or so, and as time passes he is bleeding out more votes.... With who as leader ? I do like the enthusiasm though, But the good money is saying that perhaps the liberals are in their final moments. Sure if your happy with the NDP calling the shots... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Queenmandy85 Posted August 31, 2023 Report Posted August 31, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, CdnFox said: First off - right now it's hard to convince anyone that anything's worse than justin. The public has already decided justin is horrible. You seem to have an irrational hatred of the Prime Minister. It almost looks like a fetish. Why would you hate someone? He has been unable to get an effective response to deal with climate change, but that is partly due to having a large swath of uneducated citizens. His government has dealt effectively with the American attempt to wreck NAFTA by getting support from the CPC and the provincial governments. The government also built a similar team to deal with Covid 19 that likely saved 10's of thousands of lives. That isn't a bad record but the credit belongs to the team, not just one man. Nobody deserves the kind of personal hatred you appear to project on the Prime Minister. I have to wonder what he could have done to twist your prospective in this manner. Note: I should not be singling out CdnFox. He is not the only one who feels this way. Edited August 31, 2023 by Queenmandy85 spelling / disclaimer Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
Queenmandy85 Posted August 31, 2023 Report Posted August 31, 2023 The election is likely two years away. The writs will drop about six months after the American Presidential election. Even if President Trump does not win, that campaign, and its aftermath, will have a significant impact on Canadian voters. Mr. Poilievre faces a tricky road map to navigate his way to victory. He will have to assure the anti-Trump electorate that he is nothing like President Trump while the Liberals will be doing everything they can to paint him as President Trump's Mini-Me. 1 Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
myata Posted August 31, 2023 Author Report Posted August 31, 2023 30 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: He will have to assure the anti-Trump electorate that he is nothing like President Trump while the Liberals will be doing everything they can to paint him as President Trump's Mini-Me. And I would like nothing less than distance myself from this witless dilemma as far as possible. Two bads cannot and won't make any good. Here, the proof. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Nationalist Posted August 31, 2023 Report Posted August 31, 2023 31 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: The election is likely two years away. The writs will drop about six months after the American Presidential election. Even if President Trump does not win, that campaign, and its aftermath, will have a significant impact on Canadian voters. Mr. Poilievre faces a tricky road map to navigate his way to victory. He will have to assure the anti-Trump electorate that he is nothing like President Trump while the Liberals will be doing everything they can to paint him as President Trump's Mini-Me. TDS strikes again. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Queenmandy85 Posted August 31, 2023 Report Posted August 31, 2023 28 minutes ago, Nationalist said: TDS strikes again. There is a lot of it going about. I am pretty certain President Trump will be elected in 2024. It would be inappropriate for a Canadian to tell Americans whom they should vote for. In retrospect, his impact on Canada was some what positive. 1 Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
myata Posted August 31, 2023 Author Report Posted August 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: am pretty certain President Trump will be elected in 2024 Not commenting on the personalities or possibilities; but such a trust in the omnipotence of a system with multiple obvious flaws is both ridiculous and scary. Look it cannot fail, no no it never failed wait what's that can it oops! Failure of intelligence and will to adapt and renew can hardly be cured. A human horror comedy, about to play out again? Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
TreeBeard Posted August 31, 2023 Report Posted August 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: With who as leader ? I do like the enthusiasm though, No idea. Probably Freeland. She seems to be pretty competent. But, if Justin stays PM, he still has 2 years before an election. That’s a long time yet. 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: Sure if your happy with the NDP calling the shots... I am. I didn’t vote Liberal and don’t like Justin as PM. All things considered, this is probably an ideal scenario. Having parties in the House have to compromise is a good thing. Better the government needs to compromise with the NDP on dental care than with PP on whether getting a vaccine is a good thing. Quote
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