The election prospects

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

I don't choose Trudeau. He is forced on us because the CPC drives anyone competent out of the party. Anderson, Brison, Raiatt, Charest. How long are they going to let Chong hang around?

Your definition of a 'competent' conservative seems to be "a liberal".

Nobody drove raitt or anderson out of the party. And Brison served for 25 frakkin years and was a cabinet minister before he left politics for a MUCH more lucritive job in the private sector!   My god - if it takes 25 years to drive someone out of the party they're not trying very hard.

Charest was never part of the party.  He left the PC party to become a liberal and the CPC didn't want him back.

you ABSOLUTELY choose trudeau.  You absolutely do.  If you didn't like trudeau you'd have voted against him and he'd be gone and the libs would have a new leader right now.  And the cpc would have had Erin in - who put forward a budget that could easily have come from the liberal party.

 

You are a liberal - you are a trudeau supporter - and you can't say "oh the conservatives are not liberals so i'm FORCED to vote for trudeau".  That's not how it works.

[myata]

11 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You are a liberal - you are a trudeau supporter - and you can't say "oh the conservatives are not liberals so i'm FORCED to vote for trudeau".

Except there's another option, the normal, sane one. One doesn't have to choose between two sorts of sh*t. There's no such obligation.

[Queenmandy85]

24 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

They are the same thing.  Why do we have high interest rates? To fight inflation.  Why do we have inflation? Mostly due to the gov'ts policies.

Why WOULDN"T you blame the gov't for both?

The opposite is true. We hare HEAVILY taxed now, if taxes was all it took we'd have the best service ever.  What he wants to do is cut spending on USELESS programs and focus our efforts on core services to make them better. Less "arrivecan" apps, more border guards to process people. And that IS the correct answer.

ANd it should cost less and we should be able to fund our programs.  But we don't - because people like you choose trudeau who is corrupt and wasteful because that's what your echo chamber tells you to do.

Learn to think for yourself, man.

I envy your innocence. If Pp actually believed what he is saying, I would be worried. However, he has been in cabinet before, so I trust he understands the score. Remember the grits promise to get rid of the GST? Historically, the liberals have been the ones who reduced deficits and the PC’s and later the CPC increased the deficit. The current liberal government is an anomaly. 
If you believe we are heavily taxed, you should visit the Mother Country or Norway.

If you think inflation is high in Canada, check out the Mother Country.

My point is if Mr. Poilievre was Prime Minister now, you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference. By saying it would be is dishonest and hypocritical.
 

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

I looked back and never mentioned unauthorized fishing. Feeling guilty?

No, amused at how poorly you misunderstand the issues you're trying to speak to.

If you didn't mean un-authorized then what and who did you mean when you said;

21 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

we were talking about fishermen that had local autonomy but screwed it up so bad the feds had to step in.

It seems you can't grasp the simple fact that over fishing is the flip side of mismanagement. When fisheries managers tell fishermen to Go Fish, that's what they do.
 

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What I said is that you east coast fishermen caused your own problems with over fishing.

 

I'm on the west coast but you missed that which speaks again to how poorly you misunderstand the issues you're trying to weigh in on here.

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Then you whined and the government closed you down to allow replenishment of the stock and you continue to whine, as you are doing. Looking for someone to blame and it was always you.

As I've pointed out the blame starts with the managers who decide when to say Go Fish.

The only way it could happen the way you say is if someone lobbied and pressured or influenced the managers to allow over-fishing.  Some 'fishermen' are in fact that powerful, maybe to the point of near autonomy, and there's little that powerless disgruntled fishermen can do but whine when they can see its wrong and damaging.  I've tried pointing this out but you seem utterly indifferent to the darker side of lobbying.  It's your resource though, if this is how you want it managed then who am I to say otherwise?

Go Fish.

[ExFlyer]

14 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No, amused at how poorly you misunderstand the issues you're trying to speak to.

If you didn't mean un-authorized then what and who did you mean when you said;

It seems you can't grasp the simple fact that over fishing is the flip side of mismanagement. When fisheries managers tell fishermen to Go Fish, that's what they do.
 

I'm on the west coast but you missed that which speaks again to how poorly you misunderstand the issues you're trying to weigh in on here.

As I've pointed out the blame starts with the managers who decide when to say Go Fish.

The only way it could happen the way you say is if someone lobbied and pressured or influenced the managers to allow over-fishing.  Some 'fishermen' are in fact that powerful, maybe to the point of near autonomy, and there's little that powerless disgruntled fishermen can do but whine when they can see its wrong and damaging.  I've tried pointing this out but you seem utterly indifferent to the darker side of lobbying.  It's your resource though, if this is how you want it managed then who am I to say otherwise?

Go Fish.

Give it up fisherman.

I will no longer entertain your whining.

Have a good day.

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Give it up fisherman.

I will no longer entertain your whining.

Have a good day.

You too.

[Queenmandy85]

44 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Your definition of a 'competent' conservative seems to be "a liberal".

Nobody drove raitt or anderson out of the party. And Brison served for 25 frakkin years and was a cabinet minister before he left politics for a MUCH more lucritive job in the private sector!   My god - if it takes 25 years to drive someone out of the party they're not trying very hard.

Charest was never part of the party.  He left the PC party to become a liberal and the CPC didn't want him back.

you ABSOLUTELY choose trudeau.  You absolutely do.  If you didn't like trudeau you'd have voted against him and he'd be gone and the libs would have a new leader right now.  And the cpc would have had Erin in - who put forward a budget that could easily have come from the liberal party.

 

You are a liberal - you are a trudeau supporter - and you can't say "oh the conservatives are not liberals so i'm FORCED to vote for trudeau".  That's not how it works.

I am a proud Red Tory. How can you call that being a Liberal? Sir John A. was a Red Tory. Diefenbaker and Clark were Red Tories. Most Conservative Prime Ministers were Red Tories. 
I have never voted liberal in my life. I have worked on campaigns for Jim McFarlane, Allan McKinnon, Don Ravis, Joe Clark, Scott Wallace, Darryl Warren, Erik Nielsen, and John DeWolfe. I supported Scott Briton in his leadership Campaign to lead the Progressive Conservative Party, only to witness the Judas, Peter MacKay, sell out the party to Socialist Credit. I supported Jean Charest to lead the CPC in hopes we could make it a Conservative Party again to defeat the grits.I ran for the Progressive Conservatives in BC when Scott Wallace was leader. 
fyi- Charest was pressured to lead the Quebec Liberals because he was best able to defeat the separatist government. 

I have never voted for the CPC either. I lived under those thieving communist scoundrels in BC for 25 years. 

Edited August 23, 2023 by Queenmandy85

[Nefarious Banana]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

The chances of electing another zero are pretty even.

What makes you think PP is not an 'image' too?  His advertisements are re-making an image for him.

My opinion is that when Harper left, the Conservatives should have kept Rona Ambrose. She would have wiped the floor with Justin.

Pierre Poilievre has taken the time to answer 'hard' questions on camera with direct answers.  All archived  for your viewing pleasure . . . no surprises there.  Your 'boy' Justin cannot answer any direct question without diving into his 'canned' monologue of climate change.

Take a chance on Pierre Poilievre . . . . cannot be any worse than your 'boy' Justin . . . .

Texted Ms. Ambrose asking if she'd consider throwing her hat in the ring . . . . she thanked me for asking and said that her family was more important.

 

[ExFlyer]

31 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Pierre Poilievre has taken the time to answer 'hard' questions on camera with direct answers.  All archived  for your viewing pleasure . . . no surprises there.  Your 'boy' Justin cannot answer any direct question without diving into his 'canned' monologue of climate change.

Take a chance on Pierre Poilievre . . . . cannot be any worse than your 'boy' Justin . . . .

Texted Ms. Ambrose asking if she'd consider throwing her hat in the ring . . . . she thanked me for asking and said that her family was more important.

 

PP has not answered anything. He is just spouting rhetoric and fluff.

Justin is far far from "my man" LOL

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, myata said:

Except there's another option, the normal, sane one. One doesn't have to choose between two sorts of sh*t. There's no such obligation.

Very true - you can get off the couch and work with your parties of choice to influence policy and who the leader is.

But - right now there is only one way to get rid of trudeau and that's to vote him out.

[Nefarious Banana]

14 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

PP has not answered anything. He is just spouting rhetoric and fluff.  So says you . . .

Justin is far far from "my man" LOL  Your 'boy' ? . . . .  Ahhh,  yeah ok.

 

[Moonlight Graham]

How about a leader who isn't a wimpy wet noodle, but also not an ignorant nutter?  How about just a normal human being and not an ideologue?

Could use some ethics as well.

That means Trudeau, PP, and Singh are disqualified.

[Queenmandy85]

47 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

right now there is only one way to get rid of trudeau and that's to vote him out.

What will that accomplish? Mr. Poilievre will continue the same policies as Prime Minister Trudeau with a few cosmetic tweaks that will only appease the base for a short time. 

Only one person has ever defeated a Trudeau. Joe Clark. It was the CPC that betrayed their word and put Pierre Trudeau back in office. Apparently, eliminating the deficit, supporting Israel, and privatizing the state owned oil company went against their goals. The CPC has a history of attacking free enterprise, and bloated deficits. Prime Minister Harper was sort of an exception. He did clamp down on corruption within the party and went against the party's anti sementic history. 

Both Trudeau and Poilievre treat the voters with distain. They both are strangers to the truth. But the blatant lying by Mr. Poilievre shows a total contempt for the voters intelligence to a much higher degree than his liberal opponent. I have nobody to vote for. I love my right to cast a ballot, but unless something changes, I have no one to vote for. I'll likely sit this one out.

 

[myata]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

and work with your parties of choice to influence policy and who the leader is.

But there's no "parties" - we've been at it already. The word is the same though.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

there is only one way to get rid of trudeau and that's to vote him out

There's a more important cause: to preserve the democracy. You forgot I know.

[Army Guy]

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

The chances of electing another zero are pretty even.

Trudeau or Scheerr??

Trudeau or O'Foole??

Trudeau or PP??

Trudeau or Trudeau??

What makes you think PP is not an "image" too?? His advertisements are re-making an image for him

My opinion is that when Harper left, the conservatives should have kept Rona Ambrose. She would have wiped the floor with Justin.

It sounds like you've already made a choice...here you have discounted everything Justin has done in 8 plus years, you've set the slate back to zero...Justin/ PP and are now saying to both of them want my vote impress me...

I think everyone's thinking that Justins colors are going to change, are fooling themselves, they will get 4 more years of what we have already been shown...He has proven over and over that he does not deserve to be this nations leader, almost every dept is broken or not working very well...

I liked Ambrose as well , but she is refusing the office becasue it is not worth the effort. And now we have to play the hand we have been dealt... Justin....PP....and the others are really just spoilers....One we already know what to expect, more lies and deceit, scandals', and trips to the ethics office, oooppps that office is empty for some reason, and has been for many many months...

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

I envy your innocence. If Pp actually believed what he is saying, I would be worried. However, he has been in cabinet before, so I trust he understands the score. Remember the grits promise to get rid of the GST? Historically, the liberals have been the ones who reduced deficits and the PC’s and later the CPC increased the deficit. The current liberal government is an anomaly. 
If you believe we are heavily taxed, you should visit the Mother Country or Norway.

If you think inflation is high in Canada, check out the Mother Country.

My point is if Mr. Poilievre was Prime Minister now, you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference. By saying it would be is dishonest and hypocritical.
 

Stop it...The facts are staring you right in the face... 8 years of Justin has gotten us where exactly...no where, give us readers some positive acts or accomplishments that Justin is responsible for...all of those are facts... now show me all this evil that PP has done that confirms your comments that he is going to be same....you can't...your not will to take a leap of faith, then your other choices are vote Justin and get nothing... or stay home and not vote at all, same result......

Look it is your vote, use it what every way you want...vote for Justin if PP scares you that bad...just don't be surprise when we get 4 more years of what we already have...NOTHING... 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

I am a proud Red Tory. How can you call that being a Liberal? Sir John A. was a Red Tory. Diefenbaker and Clark were Red Tories. Most Conservative Prime Ministers were Red Tories. 

Sorry - not true.  diefnbaker maybe   Clark wasn't, and sir john? You must be insane to think that

And you're not a red tory, you're a liberal. Unless you've been putting on an act here so far and don't mean the things you say.  It's possible you're on the right end of the liberal spectrum - but you are DEFINITELY left of center.

It's hilarious how many liberals today feel the need to be ashamed of being liberals. I've yet to meet one who admits to voting for trudeau (except maybe the first time and then they claim they were tricked and never did it again )

29 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Only one person has ever defeated a Trudeau. Joe Clark. It was the CPC that betrayed their word and put Pierre Trudeau back in office.

The cpc didn't exist.  You need to brush up on your history.

And the vast majority of prime ministers only get beaten by one person.  Some dont' even get that - nobody ever beat chretien.

And this isn't 1970 anymore, when the west was so small they barely counted as a tiebreaker.  Now the west has more votes than quebec.  You don't HAVE to be left wing or corrupt to appeal to ontario any more   LOL Harper woudl have won his majority without a single seat in quebec.

Your boy justin will be gone next election and PP will LIKELY have a majority. And you liberals will have to have  a sit down and really think about the corruption in the party and what kind of leader you want next.  Of course - it'll probably be about 2 leaders before you get in again so i guess if you want to go with a throw away for the next one it makes sense.

 

[CdnFox]

53 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

What will that accomplish? Mr. Poilievre will continue the same policies as Prime Minister Trudeau with a few cosmetic tweaks that will only appease the base for a short time. 

Well that's a boldfaced lie and we both know that. Whether you like him or not PP will have VERY different policies than trudeau.

And for a guy who claims he thinks trudeau is the worst - you rush to insist we should keep him in power and there's no point in replacing him pretty fast   LOL  You should be ashamed of that kind of hypocrisy.

We will elect PP, and when we do things will get better.  Just as they did the last time we replaced a trudeau.

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

It sounds like you've already made a choice...here you have discounted everything Justin has done in 8 plus years, you've set the slate back to zero...Justin/ PP and are now saying to both of them want my vote impress me...

I think everyone's thinking that Justins colors are going to change, are fooling themselves, they will get 4 more years of what we have already been shown...He has proven over and over that he does not deserve to be this nations leader, almost every dept is broken or not working very well...

I liked Ambrose as well , but she is refusing the office becasue it is not worth the effort. And now we have to play the hand we have been dealt... Justin....PP....and the others are really just spoilers....One we already know what to expect, more lies and deceit, scandals', and trips to the ethics office, oooppps that office is empty for some reason, and has been for many many months...

No, I have not made a choice and yes, Justin and PP are now playing to the voters.

Justin never changes colour but he (or his handlers) have a way of attracting voters with promises.

I believe Ambrose was playing the party line as a faithful party player.

I am truly waiting for PP to say stuff of substance.

[Queenmandy85]

If PP doesn't follow the same policies, he will run into problems. By the next election, inflation should be back under control, but that is in the Bank of Canada's jurisdiction. I would hope that PP will curtail immigration drastically and start building dozens of nuclear power plants, but I've been in the rodeo enough that all the promises that are made are swept away by events. 

Spikes in inflation follow every calamitous plague and war. They are global in scope. It happened in the 1350's, and so on into the "roaring" twenties.

The housing crisis will take decades to resolve. We have more people than homes. That drives up the prices. We are running out of land in urban centres where people want to live. It is cheaper to pay people to leave the country than to spend a trillion dollars to build massive apartment buildings to house people. They are called projects. Dens of crime. But no government can get away with paying people to leave in order to drive down the population.

51 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Sorry - not true.  diefnbaker maybe   Clark wasn't, and sir john? You must be insane to think that

You don't believe Clark is a Red Tory? He brought in measures to privatize the state owned oil company and support Israel. His budget to eliminate the deficit he inherited from Trudeau, failed because the Ralliement Creditiste under Real Caouette(what you call the CPC or Social Credit) broke their promise to support the budget.

MacDonald was not afraid to have the government involved in free enterprise when the CPR was being built. 

Pierre Polievre will win the next election. It is easy to perform infront of reporters yelling "I want to go to work have get homes for people." Sure. He will magically axe the carbon tax and yet come up with a trillion dollars to build 1.5 million homes in Toronto and Vancouver. Of course pouring that kind of money into a system where we don't have enough trades people won't be inflationary. Is he planning to pave over our wilderness, the very thing that defines Canada? His promises are so unrealistic that it is obvious deception. These are the things the grits are going to call him out on in the next election.

What specifically do you believe he will do differently than Trudeau?

 

[myata]

2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

But no government can get away with paying people to leave in order to drive down the population.

How would it look from the outside I wonder? One great Canadian government pays the third world to move in; the next one, pays them still more to move out? How would that make any sense to the folks outside like must be some great thinking there, right?

[CdnFox]

10 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

I envy your innocence.
 

I mourn your low  IQ

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If Pp actually believed what he is saying, I would be worried. However, he has been in cabinet before, so I trust he understands the score.

That's WHY he believes what he's saying.

 

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Remember the grits promise to get rid of the GST?

And didn't? Because it was working to get rid of the deficit? Yeah - i remember.  Grits lie, nothing new there.

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Historically, the liberals have been the ones who reduced deficits and the PC’s and later the CPC increased the deficit.

Nope - historically the other way around.  And the libs are pretty good at the smoke and mirrors game.  For eample - many people think cretien ran surpluses.  But in reality he cut EI benefits severely then raided the EI trust fund for 70 billion dollars-  and that was pretty much all his surpluses. His spending didn't actually give us surpluses.

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The current liberal government is an anomaly. 

The current liberal gov't is the SECOND trudeau to do this to us - and the second liberal gov't to destroy the economy within 40 years.

 

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If you believe we are heavily taxed, you should visit the Mother Country or Norway.

They've got their own problems right now.  BUt - this isn't norway This is canada.  And we are heavily taxed.  If you think we're not you should visit the us.  See how stupid it is to compare countries like that.

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If you think inflation is high in Canada, check out the Mother Country.

If you think we aren't you should visit Japan.

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My point is if Mr. Poilievre was Prime Minister now, you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference. By saying it would be is dishonest and hypocritical.

Well then your point is you're a m0ron with no understanding whatsoever of politics.

The difference would be the same as comparing harper to justin. They are not the same in the slightest. Justin to PP would also not be the same in teh slighest.

Any credibility you might have had in political discussions you just flushed down the toilet trying to claim PP and Justin are exactly the same with no discernable differences in policy or skill.

Fortunately you're going to get a chance to see how wrong you are, in less than 3 years.

[myata]

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The difference would be the same as comparing harper to justin. They are not the same in the slightest. Justin to PP would also not be the same in teh slighest.

Have no interest in changing one bobblehead for another and back again. Zero, no make it negative!

[Queenmandy85]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

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If Pp actually believed what he is saying, I would be worried. However, he has been in cabinet before, so I trust he understands the score.

That's WHY he believes what he's saying.

So lets take one issue, housing, that PP has promised to fix and fix it now. How does he plan to do that? He says housing has doubled in price under the current government. How does he plan to correct that?

He points out we have a lot of people who need homes. How does he plan to fix that with out adding to inflation or the tax burden. Where will we find the trades people?

And for the record, I have never denied that I am a m0ron. ?

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, myata said:

Have no interest in changing one bobblehead for another and back again. Zero, no make it negative!

Well don't worry - the adults will handle this and we'll tell you when it's safe for you to come out again.