Devon Archer Transcript proves Joe had the Ukrainian prosecutor fired to help end the investigation into his son's energy firm Burisma

[Hodad]

32 minutes ago, West said:

Of course they will say that when they are being bribed lol. 

And I never said the entire Western world. Just the man threatening to withhold billions of dollars from the Ukraine unless they allowed his son to continue to collect bribes from shady energy firms

No, I'm aware that you didn't say "the entire Western world."

I said it, as a reminder of just how utterly preposterous this entire line of accusation is.

The UK wanted Shokin fired - particularly for stonewalling their Burisma investigation. The EU wanted Shokin fired. The US government -- Democrats and Republicans wanted Shokin fired. The IMF wanted Shokin fired. Ukrainian watchdog groups wanted Shokin fired. The Ukrainian people wanted Shokin fired.

You think all of them are doing a favor for Hunter Biden? Lol

Oh, and you know who DIDN'T want Shokin fired? Burisma. As Devon Archer testified, they were told that Shokin was handled. And he had shelved the investigation. 

 

[West]

54 minutes ago, Hodad said:

No, I'm aware that you didn't say "the entire Western world."

I said it, as a reminder of just how utterly preposterous this entire line of accusation is.

The UK wanted Shokin fired - particularly for stonewalling their Burisma investigation. The EU wanted Shokin fired. The US government -- Democrats and Republicans wanted Shokin fired. The IMF wanted Shokin fired. Ukrainian watchdog groups wanted Shokin fired. The Ukrainian people wanted Shokin fired.

You think all of them are doing a favor for Hunter Biden? Lol

Oh, and you know who DIDN'T want Shokin fired? Burisma. As Devon Archer testified, they were told that Shokin was handled. And he had shelved the investigation. 

 

What's preposterous is you trying to whitewash the obvious logical explanation.

And NO AS IVE ALREADY POINTED OUT TO YOU AND AS ARCHER HAS ALREADY SAID BURISMA HAD PLACED SEVERAL PROMINENT "WESTERN FRIENDLY" FOLKS ON THEIR BOARD. INCLUDING THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF POLAND

They were buying buying influence in exchange for people doing their biding. Hunter and Joe were just one of many.. a big fish connected to the second highest political office in the most powerful country in the world. 

A prime example of CRONY CAPITALISM that plagues the Democrats and their allies

Edited August 27, 2023 by West

[robosmith]

11 hours ago, West said:

Shokin thoroughly debunked Joe's claims that he was fired for not looking into burisma and confirmed Joe was likely taking bribes from Burisma

Lefties have no credibility and support a con man

Both Shokin and Trump are CON MEN YOU SUPPORT. Duh

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, ironstone said:

Crack and hookers are probably pretty expensive. 

As for his "art':

https://nypost.com/2023/07/24/hunter-biden-sold-1-3m-in-art-and-buyers-include-dads-appointee/

Hunter sold art to Biden donor who was given an impressive commission appointment – HotAir

So can you explain how someone can buy "art" from private citizen Hunter Biden magically ends up with a plum government appointment?

I can explain why anything you read in the NYPost is no more credible than the National Enquirer. LMAO

6 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Is this behavior of yous, a family trait?

Yes, KNOWING ABOUT, previously citing, AND calling out your IGNORANCE is an admirable trait.

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, West said:

Of course they will say that when they are being bribed lol. 

And I never said the entire Western world. Just the man threatening to withhold billions of dollars from the Ukraine unless they allowed his son to continue to collect bribes from shady energy firms

So you're claiming that Hunter didn't deliver the "influence" for which he was being paid, and therefore NO EVIDENCE of corruption on Joe's part. Thanks for that admission. LMAO

1 hour ago, West said:

What's preposterous is you trying to whitewash the obvious logical explanation.

And NO AS IVE ALREADY POINTED OUT TO YOU AND AS ARCHER HAS ALREADY SAID BURISMA HAD PLACED SEVERAL PROMINENT "WESTERN FRIENDLY" FOLKS ON THEIR BOARD. INCLUDING THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF POLAND

They were buying buying influence in exchange for people doing their biding. Hunter and Joe were just one of many.. a big fish connected to the second highest political office in the most powerful country in the world. 

A prime example of CRONY CAPITALISM that plagues the Democrats and their allies

"Buying influence" is not PROOF ANYTHING was delivered. Duh

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

I can explain why anything you read in the NYPost is no more credible than the National Enquirer. LMAO

Yes, KNOWING ABOUT, previously citing, AND calling out your IGNORANCE is an admirable trait.

I feel for your family...

[robosmith]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

I feel for your family...

It's really weird what you choose to "feel" about.

You SHOULD feel embarrassed about completely missing a major news story because it wasn't covered on FOS LIES, AND was discussed EXTENSIVELY HERE. See thread titled "FOX LIES internal emails SHOW." Duh

Strange that you have no excuse for that. Best that you completely ignore it cause you're good at that.  LMAO

[Nationalist]

33 minutes ago, robosmith said:

It's really weird what you choose to "feel" about.

You SHOULD feel embarrassed about completely missing a major news story because it wasn't covered on FOS LIES, AND was discussed EXTENSIVELY HERE. See thread titled "FOX LIES internal emails SHOW." Duh

Strange that you have no excuse for that. Best that you completely ignore it cause you're good at that.  LMAO

My sympathies...

[West]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

So you're claiming that Hunter didn't deliver the "influence" for which he was being paid, and therefore NO EVIDENCE of corruption on Joe's part. Thanks for that admission. LMAO

"Buying influence" is not PROOF ANYTHING was delivered. Duh

It is when your daddy threatens US aid in exchange for a benefit to the company. 

Only gullible fools think a company like burisma would pay out millions in bribes for no return on investment

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

Both Shokin and Trump are CON MEN YOU SUPPORT. Duh

Wrong. Joe's son was bagging money on Joe's behalf. Duh

[Hodad]

3 hours ago, West said:

What's preposterous is you trying to whitewash the obvious logical explanation.

And NO AS IVE ALREADY POINTED OUT TO YOU AND AS ARCHER HAS ALREADY SAID BURISMA HAD PLACED SEVERAL PROMINENT "WESTERN FRIENDLY" FOLKS ON THEIR BOARD. INCLUDING THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF POLAND

They were buying buying influence in exchange for people doing their biding. Hunter and Joe were just one of many.. a big fish connected to the second highest political office in the most powerful country in the world. 

A prime example of CRONY CAPITALISM that plagues the Democrats and their allies

The obvious logical explanation is that the Vice President of the United States, was given a foreign policy objective aligned to expressed interests of the US and our allies. All done publicly, transparently in plain sight.

The janky conspiracy you folks have cobbled together is so thoroughly undermined by facts on record and basic reason that you sound crazier every time you repeat it.

[West]

48 minutes ago, Hodad said:

The obvious logical explanation is that the Vice President of the United States, was given a foreign policy objective aligned to expressed interests of the US and our allies. All done publicly, transparently in plain sight.

The janky conspiracy you folks have cobbled together is so thoroughly undermined by facts on record and basic reason that you sound crazier every time you repeat it.

?.. 

It's not normal for your son to be on the board of a firm under investigation while you are pressuring their government. 

Stop trying to whitewash obvious corruption

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, West said:

?.. 

It's not normal for your son to be on the board of a firm under investigation while you are pressuring their government. 

Stop trying to whitewash obvious corruption

You keep IGNORING that Shokin's "investigation" had already ENDED when Hunter was put on the Board.

The FACT that you believe Shokin's story (actually Rudy's) just demonstrates how naive you are.

[robosmith]

7 hours ago, West said:

It is when your daddy threatens US aid in exchange for a benefit to the company. 

Burisma did NOT want Shokin fired. And you have ONLY Shokin's story as evidence.

7 hours ago, West said:

Only gullible fools think a company like burisma would pay out millions in bribes for no return on investment

Of course, they would GAMBLE chump change on a return. STILL NOT EVIDENCE they got ANYTHING.

7 hours ago, West said:

Wrong. Joe's son was bagging money on Joe's behalf. Duh

ZERO EVIDENCE of ^this. Joe made huge bucks from his books and had NO REASON to get money from Ukraine.

[West]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Burisma did NOT want Shokin fired. And you have ONLY Shokin's story as evidence.

Of course, they would GAMBLE chump change on a return. STILL NOT EVIDENCE they got ANYTHING.

ZERO EVIDENCE of ^this. Joe made huge bucks from his books and had NO REASON to get money from Ukraine.

?.. here we go again. 

Sure bud. The REAL corruption is not the energy firm PAYING OFF politician's family members but those looking into that energy firm selling illegal gas. 

You have zero evidence that shokin is corrupt other than Joe Biden, who's son was accepting bribes on his behalf, saying so ?

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

You keep IGNORING that Shokin's "investigation" had already ENDED when Hunter was put on the Board.

The FACT that you believe Shokin's story (actually Rudy's) just demonstrates how naive you are.

It didn't. That's just what Democrats claim when they try and whitewash the corruption. 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, West said:

?.. here we go again. 

Sure bud. The REAL corruption is not the energy firm PAYING OFF politician's family members but those looking into that energy firm selling illegal gas. 

You have zero evidence that shokin is corrupt other than Joe Biden, who's son was accepting bribes on his behalf, saying so ?

It didn't. That's just what Democrats claim when they try and whitewash the corruption. 

? Zero evidence?

What is wrong with you? The evidence has been shared extensively since at least 2019--including a handful of quotes from multiple sources (not Democrats) t hat I provided just a few posts ago.

I hope that you're just too lazy to read them. Otherwise, you're a dim and clumsy liar, not fooling anyone.

[Nationalist]

6 hours ago, Hodad said:

? Zero evidence?

What is wrong with you? The evidence has been shared extensively since at least 2019--including a handful of quotes from multiple sources (not Democrats) t hat I provided just a few posts ago.

I hope that you're just too lazy to read them. Otherwise, you're a dim and clumsy liar, not fooling anyone.

Joe Biden is dead in the water.!

[Rebound]

21 hours ago, West said:

What's preposterous is you trying to whitewash the obvious logical explanation.

And NO AS IVE ALREADY POINTED OUT TO YOU AND AS ARCHER HAS ALREADY SAID BURISMA HAD PLACED SEVERAL PROMINENT "WESTERN FRIENDLY" FOLKS ON THEIR BOARD. INCLUDING THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF POLAND

They were buying buying influence in exchange for people doing their biding. Hunter and Joe were just one of many.. a big fish connected to the second highest political office in the most powerful country in the world. 

A prime example of CRONY CAPITALISM that plagues the Democrats and their allies

You are trying to turn one fact into two facts:

Claim One: Burisma appointed several Westerners to their board. This is fact. We agree  

Claim Two: These Westerners corruptly influenced political organizations. This is not a fact. It may have happened, but we have no evidence of it.  Your “evidence” consists of “They hired him because his father was VP of the US (true) and therefore he MUST have committed crimes on their behalf (not true).”

Edited August 28, 2023 by Rebound

[West]

7 hours ago, Hodad said:

? Zero evidence?

What is wrong with you? The evidence has been shared extensively since at least 2019--including a handful of quotes from multiple sources (not Democrats) t hat I provided just a few posts ago.

I hope that you're just too lazy to read them. Otherwise, you're a dim and clumsy liar, not fooling anyone.

What do you think hunter was on the board of Burisma for anyway lol

Lemme guess you think his macaroni paintings are worth more than a Picasso painting as well and that's no evidence of anything lol

[Rebound]

3 minutes ago, West said:

What do you think hunter was on the board of Burisma for anyway lol

Lemme guess you think his macaroni paintings are worth more than a Picasso painting as well and that's no evidence of anything lol

In your mind, Hunter Biden illegally influenced the U.S. government. In reality, he did not. 
 

Most retired congressmen work for lobbying firms. That is a far more direct example of the conduct you’re implying. Former congressman calls his ex-colleagues to influence them to favor a bill or a policy. He opens the doors and gets his clients meetings with US House and Senate members.  And all these Congressmen blathering on about Hunter Biden expect to do exactly that one day, and they work with ex-Congressmen lobbyists every day, because I help you & you help me. I might be voted out in two years and looking for a job.  

[West]

11 minutes ago, Rebound said:

In your mind, Hunter Biden illegally influenced the U.S. government. In reality, he did not. 
 

Most retired congressmen work for lobbying firms. That is a far more direct example of the conduct you’re implying. Former congressman calls his ex-colleagues to influence them to favor a bill or a policy. He opens the doors and gets his clients meetings with US House and Senate members.  And all these Congressmen blathering on about Hunter Biden expect to do exactly that one day, and they work with ex-Congressmen lobbyists every day, because I help you & you help me. I might be voted out in two years and looking for a job.  

Lol.. still denying reality and defending a senile old crook I see.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, West said:

What do you think hunter was on the board of Burisma for anyway lol

One word: PRESTIGE. Also an APPEARANCE of influence with American government.

Appearances have DECEIVED YOU.

1 hour ago, West said:

Lemme guess you think his macaroni paintings are worth more than a Picasso painting as well and that's no evidence of anything lol

It MAY BE evidence that someone ELSE was TRYING to buy influence. 

You're ALL SMOKE and MIRRORS.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, West said:

Lol.. still denying reality and defending a senile old crook I see.

^STILL ZERO EVIDENCE, WE SEE.

Shokin (& Rudy): I was fired to help Hunter Biden

Everyone else: Shokin was fired for CORRUPTION and NOT doing his job.

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, West said:

What do you think hunter was on the board of Burisma for anyway lol

Lemme guess you think his macaroni paintings are worth more than a Picasso painting as well and that's no evidence of anything lol

I'm sure he was there because they thought they could make use of his influence. Turns out they couldn't and Shokin got fired anyway. Not a great investment.

Remember, Shokin was protecting Burisma. They wanted to keep him in place. That's what the UK experienced first hand. That's what the Ukraine watchdog groups said. That's what Devon Archer said they were told at the board level. 

Shokin now says "No, I was good," and you swallow it whole.

 

Edited August 28, 2023 by Hodad

[West]

6 minutes ago, Hodad said:

I'm sure he was they because they thought they could make use of his influence. Turns out they couldn't and Shokin got fired anyway. Not a great investment.

Remember, Shokin was protecting Burisma. They wanted to keep him in place. That's what the UK experienced first hand. That's what the Ukraine watchdog groups said. That's what Devon Archer said they were told at the board level. 

Shokin now says "No, I was good," and you swallow it whole.

 

Was that "Ukrainian watchdog" one of Joe's hand selected people? 

Democrats lie consistently on domestic related issues. Not a stretch to believe they lie internationally as well

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, West said:

Was that "Ukrainian watchdog" one of Joe's hand selected people? 

Democrats lie consistently on domestic related issues. Not a stretch to believe they lie internationally as well

You think Democrats are an international organization, controlling policy for the UK, EU, IMF, and Ukraine? 

And they're all doing it to get Hunter Biden a relatively insignificant amount of money--the whole package is less than 10% of what Joe can earn in a year.

And the guy who was internationally reviled for enabling corruption is one you should trust?

^^ If you believe that, you're a damn lunatic.

Edited August 28, 2023 by Hodad