Army Guy Posted June 10, 2025 Report Posted June 10, 2025 2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: There is a lot more to "arming" the Coast Guard than just giving the crewmen a gun. You know that very well. Installing weapons on the boats (as opposed to ships) and spending a lot of time to teach their usage. As well, Coast guard vessels are not warships and not intended to be. The Canadian Coast Guard is not and never has been and never will be anything like the American Coast Guard. They are lighthouse keepers and a few ice breakers and not much more. The are not and never will be warriors. If they can teach a bunch of navy wogs, how to operate a C-9, or C-6 i'm sure CG personally will be fine.... And i'm sure if the Army can train the RCMP, Air force, and Navy on how to operate C-7 rifles they can train any one to use them effectively...enough for them to take non traditional navy jobs off our Navy's plate and giove the CG more roles to play, which might even play into more investment into the CG... They may not have been designed for war ships, but 3 NFLDS in a row boat armed with shotguns is a war ship...and while i don't think they will ever get to see naval warfare....they can be used to patrol for drugs , illegal fishing, other criminal activity that the Navy does right now... And while the liberals are considering arming the CG, nothing has been decided as of yet, They may not be warriors, but they sure can be another arm of law enforcement... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
ExFlyer Posted June 10, 2025 Report Posted June 10, 2025 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Army Guy said: If they can teach a bunch of navy wogs, how to operate a C-9, or C-6 i'm sure CG personally will be fine.... And i'm sure if the Army can train the RCMP, Air force, and Navy on how to operate C-7 rifles they can train any one to use them effectively...enough for them to take non traditional navy jobs off our Navy's plate and giove the CG more roles to play, which might even play into more investment into the CG... They may not have been designed for war ships, but 3 NFLDS in a row boat armed with shotguns is a war ship...and while i don't think they will ever get to see naval warfare....they can be used to patrol for drugs , illegal fishing, other criminal activity that the Navy does right now... And while the liberals are considering arming the CG, nothing has been decided as of yet, They may not be warriors, but they sure can be another arm of law enforcement... I think you overestimate the Coast Guard capability and operations. As I mentioned, have done a lot with the Coast Guard and a lot of it was hoist training and, as a military SAR, we supported them when they were ....above their head. I also think you overestimate what the coast guard personnel are willing to be trained for and do. Yes, they do have small arms onboard but not for offensive actions. They are a special operating agency of Fisheries and Oceans Canada to ensure safe and accessible waterways for Canadians. If you want the Coast Guard to do those things, it will require an entire operational change and legislation . Shifting responsibility from one department to another is one thing but it will not make them "Defence" in any way. https://www.ccg-gcc.gc.ca/index-eng.html Edited June 10, 2025 by ExFlyer 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
herbie Posted June 10, 2025 Report Posted June 10, 2025 2 hours ago, Army Guy said: True, but Canada has taken great care NOT to arm the coast guard, and pretty much limit their role in what they do One of my closest school buddies was a BOSO that became totally disillusioned with his Coast Guard career once he suddenly has to carry a sidearm and spend his days writing tickets rather than teach people about boating safety. Claimed everything fell apart when they removed it's association with the Armed Forces. And then continued being involved in the same damn thing, drug and refugee interceptions, search and rescue, etc. He was one of those guys that really needed the structure, the clear rules and guidelines inherent of military life, and totally fell apart once he was early retired. Excluding the cost of the Coast Guard from 'military expenditures' only made Canada look even worse when most other countries did. 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted June 10, 2025 Report Posted June 10, 2025 3 hours ago, ExFlyer said: I think you overestimate the Coast Guard capability and operations. As I mentioned, have done a lot with the Coast Guard and a lot of it was hoist training and, as a military SAR, we supported them when they were ....above their head. I also think you overestimate what the coast guard personnel are willing to be trained for and do. Yes, they do have small arms onboard but not for offensive actions. They are a special operating agency of Fisheries and Oceans Canada to ensure safe and accessible waterways for Canadians. If you want the Coast Guard to do those things, it will require an entire operational change and legislation . Shifting responsibility from one department to another is one thing but it will not make them "Defence" in any way. https://www.ccg-gcc.gc.ca/index-eng.html No one is talking about making them part of the offensive chain, at this time, what i was talking about is them doing the law enforcement chain like fisheries patrol, maritime drug indication, stuff the navy does right now that is traditionally not Navy tasking but rather RCMP, and fisheries...And you don't need a huge naval gun to do that look at the AOP's it does the same missions but it does not have a huge main gun... It is simple then is it not, job descriptions and job skills change all the time, people adapt or find a new line of work...I'm sure like the Military there are tonnes of support roles that will not require any firearms training or more law enforcement taskings. not all CG personal just want to tend buoys for the rest of their career.... Liberals are studying just that as they have said, looking at arming the CG...no timeline nothing else was mentioned... Then you only prove this was done to enhance accounting measures only...a way to increase our GDP % without doing anything of real value....But the liberals did say they are considering arming them and giving them added responsibilities...which could be taking a active role in fisheries patrols, drug interdiction, perhaps even getting more investments into the department...and in order for them to do that they will be asked to step up.... CG is already part of the security apparatus, in the future they may play a bigger part, nobody is suggesting they be part of the NAVAL kill chain. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted July 6, 2025 Report Posted July 6, 2025 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted July 11, 2025 Report Posted July 11, 2025 Just a while we talked about Canadian patriotism and how canadians showed their patriotism in a quiet manner...and when asked about serving their nation in a conflict here is what they said...and only if they agreed for the reason for the conflict... "which screams patriotic", i get visions of flags in front of every house, people proud to be Canadian, if they agree with everything if not not so much....I guess that is why they have conscription...for those that are not so much into patriotism....it is one thing to say yes i'm a proud Canadian, and then when asked would you defend the nation...aaahhh only if i agreed with the the reason for the conflict... It is hard to get excited about Canada as a whole when less than half are even willing to defend it...Yes they love everything that Canada can give to them...but once asked more than half will turn their backs on the nation... Quote A new Angus Reid survey found 49% of Canadians would be willing to fight for their country in the event of an armed conflict, but most say they would only do so if they “agreed with the reasons for fighting.” The poll said the most willing to enlist are those older than age 54 (55%) while those in the 18- to 34-year-old range most likely needed to fill recruitment gaps are less likely (43%). Half of Canadians willing to fight for Canada if they agree with reasons for combat: Survey Quote The poll found those who voted Conservative in April are more likely to say they would volunteer for the military in the event of an armed conflict (59%) than those who voted Liberal (47%), NDP (36%) or Bloc Québécois (35%). A majority of the latter two groups of voters say instead they would not put their hand up. These numbers explain a lot of things...it shows where patriotism really lies in this country.... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
BeaverFever Posted July 16, 2025 Author Report Posted July 16, 2025 RCN is getting into the drone boat business 1 Quote
BeaverFever Posted July 24, 2025 Author Report Posted July 24, 2025 (edited) Finally! Canada getting rid of the useless Kingston Class MCDV ships! Looking forward to what the multi-mission Corvettes will bring to the table although AFAIK that project is just an exploration and hasn’t gotten the full green light to advance to procurement and we might see them replaced by drones and other capabilities instead RCN to Pay Off Kingston-class Maritime Coastal Defence Vessels In the fall of 2025, the Royal Canadian Navy (RCN) will begin paying off the Kingston-class Maritime Coastal Defence Vessels (MCDVs). The term “paying off” refers to the British practice of paying a crew their wages once a ship has completed its voyage. In the RCN, the tradition continues with the term paying off referring to the formal ceremony where the naval jack, ensign, and commissioning pennant are hauled down, the crew departs a ship for the last time, and the ship is then no longer referred to as His Majesty’s Canadian Ship (HMCS). This fall, eight of the twelve Kingston-class ships will be paid off during formal naval ceremonies to recognize and celebrate their long and distinguished service. These ceremonies will take place in Halifax for HMC Ships Shawinigan, Summerside, Goose Bay, Glace Bay and Kingston. Ceremonies in Esquimalt, B.C. will be held for HMC Ships Saskatoon, Whitehorse and Brandon. Canadian Multi-mission Corvette project has been created by the Department of Defence (DND) to replace the Royal Canadian Navy’s existing 12 Kingston-class MCDVs that are approaching 30 years of service. MCDVs are multi-role minor war vessels with a primary mission of coastal surveillance and patrol including general naval operations and exercises, search and rescue, law enforcement, resource protection and fisheries patrols. READ: Team Vigilance article to get an update on their offering to the Canadian government and learn more about the Vigilance-class vessel. READ: Feature Interview with Vice-Admiral Angus Topshee for updates regarding the CMC Project. The RCN’s four remaining operational Kingston-class vessels will consolidate under Canadian Fleet Atlantic in Halifax, N.S. As such, HMCS Moncton will remain based in Halifax, HMC Ships Yellowknife and Edmonton recently transferred to the east coast, and HMCS Nanaimo will transit to Halifax later this year. This will support current operational commitments, and efficient maintenance and crewing of the remaining Kingston-class vessels and the broader RCN fleet. While looking forward to the introduction of new, modern warships to its fleet, the RCN has a robust plan in place to facilitate this transition, while maintaining excellence in training and operational capability. There is no loss of capability for the RCN as a result of the divestment of the Kingston-class – their missions and tasks will be redistributed to other existing ships and assets, and taken on by new platforms, capabilities and systems being introduced by the RCN. https://canadiandefencereview.com/royal-canadian-navy-to-pay-off-kingston-class-vessels/ Edited July 24, 2025 by BeaverFever 2 Quote
paxamericana Posted July 25, 2025 Report Posted July 25, 2025 Canada simply lack the ability to defend its entire land mass. The best you can hope for is nuclear deterrence. While Canada is a near nuclear state, it does not officially have fully assembled nuclear bomb and a delivery method. Quote
CdnFox Posted July 25, 2025 Report Posted July 25, 2025 1 hour ago, paxamericana said: Canada simply lack the ability to defend its entire land mass. The best you can hope for is nuclear deterrence. While Canada is a near nuclear state, it does not officially have fully assembled nuclear bomb and a delivery method. Everybody thinks they can beat Canada right up until they try 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ExFlyer Posted July 25, 2025 Report Posted July 25, 2025 On 7/5/2025 at 8:36 PM, Army Guy said: Interesting to hear him now but there were crickets from him before. We all know, or should know, the Chiefs of Defence Staff, are not Military but pure politicians, anointed by party in power (like all Generals) and play politics for the governing party. Last CDS with any balls was Lewis McKenzie and he did not last long Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Army Guy Posted July 25, 2025 Report Posted July 25, 2025 6 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Interesting to hear him now but there were crickets from him before. We all know, or should know, the Chiefs of Defence Staff, are not Military but pure politicians, anointed by party in power (like all Generals) and play politics for the governing party. Last CDS with any balls was Lewis McKenzie and he did not last long Didn't think i would be saying anything good about the air force, but here it is, He was not my favorite CDS, but he did accept the position and did what he could for those serving, what we don't know is what he had to sacrifice while CDS.......thats needs to be recognized... I think we all know just how much power our politicians have here, CDS is a public service servant, and does what he is told. thats drilled into every service person, mission first , and obey all legal orders, I think like any promotion or position you do what you can to make little improvements to the service... In the CDS case he would have been told what his job was and what was the arcs of fire, or what he could do and could not do, and i think the could not do was a much longer list... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted September 3, 2025 Report Posted September 3, 2025 More of the same old news, Latvia gets priority over everything our military does, and yet it is starving for spare parts and other things...I hope Carney is going to fix this but as of today nothing....One can only imagine what the state of our military is here in Canada... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted September 4, 2025 Report Posted September 4, 2025 5 hours ago, Army Guy said: More of the same old news, Latvia gets priority over everything our military does, and yet it is starving for spare parts and other things...I hope Carney is going to fix this but as of today nothing....One can only imagine what the state of our military is here in Canada... Told ya. 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
BeaverFever Posted September 5, 2025 Author Report Posted September 5, 2025 On 9/3/2025 at 7:47 PM, Army Guy said: More of the same old news, Latvia gets priority over everything our military does, and yet it is starving for spare parts and other things...I hope Carney is going to fix this but as of today nothing....One can only imagine what the state of our military is here in Canada... It’s in the works The wallet is being opened you will soon see, fall budget is coming soon 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted September 5, 2025 Report Posted September 5, 2025 56 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: It’s in the works The wallet is being opened you will soon see, fall budget is coming soon We'll see. I think you'll find that's not going to go quite the way you think it is. But maybe im wrong, 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
BeaverFever Posted September 5, 2025 Author Report Posted September 5, 2025 6 hours ago, CdnFox said: We'll see. I think you'll find that's not going to go quite the way you think it is. But maybe im wrong, You’re clearly wrong. They literally just returned from touring a German submarine factory and extending their commitment in Latvia meanwhile Joly just finished hosting a Canadian defence industry summit. Before that Joly was in Sweden touring Saab defence facilities. We’ve signed on to ReArm Europe which is a pay-to-play program. There was just a massive pay raise and bonus announcement. They’ve made massive increases to defence a prominent centrepiece of their economic and foreign policy. Of course there is going to be massive spending increases. There have been many many public statements announcing increases to meet the NATO 2% this year and 5% in the next few years. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted September 5, 2025 Report Posted September 5, 2025 1 hour ago, BeaverFever said: You’re clearly wrong. They literally just returned from touring a German submarine factory and extending their commitment in Latvia meanwhile Joly just finished hosting a Canadian defence industry summit. Before that Joly was in Sweden touring Saab defence facilities. We’ve signed on to ReArm Europe which is a pay-to-play program. There was just a massive pay raise and bonus announcement. They’ve made massive increases to defence a prominent centrepiece of their economic and foreign policy. Of course there is going to be massive spending increases. There have been many many public statements announcing increases to meet the NATO 2% this year and 5% in the next few years. A few posters seems concerned over Canadian involvement in Latvia. We are doing what is required for our NATO allies. Fact is "Canadian troops have been there since 2017 to strengthen the defence of Europe's eastern flank and to deter Russia from invading Baltic countries, through what many call a "trip wire." The current authority for the mission ends in March 2026, but Carney said he plans to extend that by another three years." "Canada leads the NATO Multinational Brigade in Latvia, a formation of approximately 3,000 personnel from 14 NATO Allies. During their meeting, the prime ministers underscored the importance of NATO, of ending Russia's war of aggression, and of securing a just and lasting peace for Ukraine." 1 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
CdnFox Posted September 5, 2025 Report Posted September 5, 2025 4 hours ago, BeaverFever said: You’re clearly wrong. LOL wow that sounded desperate Quote They literally just returned from touring a German submarine factory and extending their commitment in Latvia meanwhile Joly just finished hosting a Canadian defence industry summit. Before that Joly was in Sweden touring Saab defence facilities. We’ve signed on to ReArm Europe which is a pay-to-play program. There was just a massive pay raise and bonus announcement. They’ve made massive increases to defence a prominent centrepiece of their economic and foreign policy. Of course there is going to be massive spending increases. There have been many many public statements announcing increases to meet the NATO 2% this year and 5% in the next few years. Sounds like they've done a lot of talking and touring. That's nice. About the only thing i'd expect to go through is the pay raises. But i think you'll see a lot of the other 'military spending' doesn't wind up where you think. You're so gullable. 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
BeaverFever Posted September 5, 2025 Author Report Posted September 5, 2025 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: Sounds like they've done a lot of talking and touring. That's nice. That’s how it’s done. The submarine contenders were narrowed down to 2 finalists and they’ll be visiting the Korean facilities soon. 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: About the only thing i'd expect to go through is the pay raises. But i think you'll see a lot of the other 'military spending' doesn't wind up where you think. You're so gullable. No, you’re just so extremely biased you can’t discern reality. Lets just recap that they’ve held numerous full court press conferences on the international stage to unveil these military spending initiatives, announced by the PM himself while standing beside foreign leaders and citing very specific measures and hard numbers, and have reinforced and repeated those statements in virtually every public appearance. Sure, Governments don’t always keep all of their promises but most people understand that they sure wouldn’t ever make such a public commitment to the public and to other heads of state central to their entire agenda if they had no intention of following through. Most people understand the promises they walk away from are the ones that are vague, brief, distanced from the PM and senior cabinet members, and rarely mentioned in public But if you’re someone who believes every single member of the liberal party and anyone who’s voted for them boils and eats babies while raping their own grandmother then there’s no convincing you. 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted September 5, 2025 Report Posted September 5, 2025 15 hours ago, BeaverFever said: It’s in the works The wallet is being opened you will soon see, fall budget is coming soon I really hope so....before it is to late... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
suds Posted September 5, 2025 Report Posted September 5, 2025 I've always supported the procurement of decent submarines to protect Canadian waters. But lately, I'm not so sure anymore. In 5 or 10 years once AI really kicks in, what risk will be assessed to manned submarine crews against underwater killer drones? Even today, Hamas has some sort of them at their disposal. Will they be effective enough to make manned submarine crews obsolete? Maybe we could become leaders in anti submarine drone warfare technology and fill our waters with hundreds of them. Something to consider in my opinion. Quote
BeaverFever Posted September 6, 2025 Author Report Posted September 6, 2025 4 hours ago, suds said: I've always supported the procurement of decent submarines to protect Canadian waters. But lately, I'm not so sure anymore. In 5 or 10 years once AI really kicks in, what risk will be assessed to manned submarine crews against underwater killer drones? Even today, Hamas has some sort of them at their disposal. Will they be effective enough to make manned submarine crews obsolete? Maybe we could become leaders in anti submarine drone warfare technology and fill our waters with hundreds of them. Something to consider in my opinion. Unmanned drones will be a supplement rather than a replacement for a lot of manned vehicles but especially submarines. The ability to communicate with submerged submarines is very limited so data links needed for proper oversight I can’t see us allowing aan AI powered sub just sail wherever it feels like sailing and kill whoever it feels like killing Especially when talking about subs with ballistic and cruise missile launch capabilities. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted September 6, 2025 Report Posted September 6, 2025 10 hours ago, BeaverFever said: That’s how it’s done. The submarine contenders were narrowed down to 2 finalists and they’ll be visiting the Korean facilities soon. No spending money is how it's done. Quote No, you’re just so extremely biased you can’t discern reality. LOL pot, meet kettle. Kettle, pot. kId the bias is yours. We've heard these kind of announcements from the liberals a billion times. They're always 'looking into'. There always "in discussions with'. 10 years ago they promised they would hold a competition and by new fighters because the f35 that harper wanted was no good. How many new fighters do we have? None. How many have we committed to actually buy? 13. And that's apparently up in the air. You're a fool. And there's no point having this discussion with you while you've got your blinders on. If the military keeps on buying this crap then they deserve what they get, which will be next to nothing. 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
suds Posted September 6, 2025 Report Posted September 6, 2025 20 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Unmanned drones will be a supplement rather than a replacement for a lot of manned vehicles but especially submarines. The ability to communicate with submerged submarines is very limited so data links needed for proper oversight I can’t see us allowing aan AI powered sub just sail wherever it feels like sailing and kill whoever it feels like killing Especially when talking about subs with ballistic and cruise missile launch capabilities. I can understand your concerns. But, for example... under DARPA initiatives, Northrup Grumman has developed the Manta Ray drone. An uncrewed underwater vehicle (UUV) with almost full autonomy. A 'fire and forget' weapon that has only one task... to try and sink its target whether ship or submarine. If unsure about it's target, it communicates near the surface via satellite with a controller that gives it the ok. After its task is completed its usefulness is terminated. Israel is also working on something quite similar known as the 'blue whale' system. And this I'm afraid is only the beginning. Quote
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