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[BeaverFever]

On 5/31/2026 at 5:57 PM, CdnFox said:

So your argument now is that the only manufacturing jobs out there are low-skilled factory jobs?

Is that your final answer? I wanted to give you a chance to change your opinion before you wind up looking stupid again

The ones we were chasing were largely low skill. We have historically had a problem with trying to keep those kinds of jobs when the whole fame chaned in the 90s to a knowledge and IP-based economy. 
 

But don’t take my word fornit. You like Jordan Peterson right?  Right wing anti-woke type?  I know you short attention span and poor comprehension but chexk out this interview he did with Jim Balsille   Here’s a short version for your short attention span  

 

 

Heres the long one if you can have someone watching it and explain it to you with sock puppets

 

 

Edited June 2 by BeaverFever

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

The ones we were chasing were largely low skill. 

 

Absolute bullshit.

There were numerous high-value manufacturing jobs the Canadian industry was pursuing, including the manufacturing of pipeline pipes and components.

Not to mention biotech. We had a world leading biotech company in Alberta that was respected around the world. When covid hit they provided a plan to the government that showed they could easily produce mnra Vaccines similar to moderna very quickly and in enough numbers to absolutely satisfy all of Canada's needs, eliminating Reliance in other countries. All they needed was a small purchase order from the Canadian government so they could get the investment to go ahead or a director investment if the government preferred. We're talking like 10 million dollars or something tiny.

The government laughed and ran them out of business and invested $175 million in a Montreal company that operated out of china that we never saw a single dose from

That company has since moved to the states.

There are tons of high value manufacturing jobs in Canada that should still be here or should have been created but weren't because of bad policies from the liberals. We absolutely could have competed globally in that realm in many examples and circumstances including drone manufacture. Civilian drones were basically invented in Canada

Peterson is not a economist, and I've never ever said that I like him. So I'm not going to watch through 15 minutes of the show just to find out why you're wrong and completely took something out of context if you can't even articulate it yourself.  Pretty pathetic kiddo

 

[User]

Reminder of what a cowardly, lying, POS @BeaverFever is:
 

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Nope, it was Slick Willie who pitched it. He quite explicitly argued that integrating China into the global trading system would push it toward Western ideals like economic freedom, human rights, and democratic openness.

 

 

So not cozying up, but simply doing business with them.

Well I do appreciate that you took the time to admit that you were lying even though it was by trying to rewrite what you said  

As always your dishonesty comes out within a post or two

 

Wheeee, look at you go  

[Army Guy]

Well it looks like the US has reversed it's decision on the E-7...US had to do something aging E-3 forced their hands Competition wise E-7 is the best aircraft despite its problems....

Canada on the other hand has decided to go with NOT the current Global 6500, but the 3 rd version, that has not been tested yet, New Radar with much longer range, plus is 360 degree coverage vice the current one which has only 300 degree....plus other changes including air to air refueling...

I wonder how this is going to reflect on Canada's decision, now that the E-7 is back for the US air force, and maybe NATO who knows ....will Carney reverse his decision....or at least throw the program back to the competition phase , if a competition was actually held  ? or was this a ploy to punish the US again....

https://breakingdefense.com/2026/05/hegseth-says-e-7-wedgetail-has-a-future-reversing-planned-cancellation/

https://www.flightglobal.com/archive/2026/05/pentagon-chief-reverses-course-on-e-7-now-supports-us-air-force-acquisition/

Edited June 2 by Army Guy

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

The largest single reason for shrinking labour force is aging population   The boomers were age 51-69 in 2015 and mostly still working, they’re a decade older now and retired.

We imported more people of working age than have retired. You've actually got it backwards

Canada's age pyramid 2015

Population of Canada 2015 - PopulationPyramid.net

Canada's age pyramid 2025

Canada population pyramid 2026 - Demographics of Canada - Wikipedia

Trudeau launched mass immigration of mostly working age people and students

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

But look  this is that thing you do that I pointed out:  see how you biased your response is:

Facts aren't bias kiddo  

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

The Harper recession ended in 2010, unemployment STILL hadn’t recovered when he left office 5 years later “it’s not his fault there was a recession”.

Well it had recovered substantially from it's time in recession.  But it's true that you don't recover from a global recession in just a few years 

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

But now that Carney is Pm “it’s his fault that there is a recession”.  

So, lets compare the two. 

The harper recession was brought on by a global recession that was triggered from the sub prime mortgage collapse and crashed the entire world banking system.  Canada did BETTER than everyone else

Carney's recession is ONLY in canada, most of the rest of the world is doing pretty decent and is no where near a recession. Canada is doing WORST 

Harper - didn't run on dealing with a recession, he just had to live with it and did well

Carney - ran on being able to handle trump and avoid a recession and has done poorly.

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

You blame Carney for economic crisis he didn’t cause and hold him exclusively responsible

Hold on there tiger. You're putting words into my mouth. 

I have never said i blame him exclusively. In fact i've said many times that our current weak economic situation goes back to the trudeau liberals and their follies.  But... he WAS an adviser there and it IS the same liberals in power.  So yes even tho carney has been the pm for just over a year he and his party have to take ownership of our situation. He was part of it, and the party was part of it. 

Further, Carney RAN on delivering the 'fastest growing economy in the g7".  That was his PROMISE.  he knew what was coming, he knew what the situation was (which is more than harper got).  And he promised that he'd deliver so it's 100 percent on him when he fails having known what he was getting into. 

Now, only a jerk would say that the tariffs etc didn't play a role and make the job hard.  Of course it did. It's not the same as a world wide recession but it's still bad. 

But he promised that he'd make canada strong despite that. 

So of COURSE he's going to be held to it. 

Now - if we only had SLOW growth he MIGHT have a leg to stand on. But we're falling into recession. A week ago he was saying we were strong and doing great. 

[BeaverFever]

Canada to buy Polish drones, deepen defense ties by leveraging EU SAFE funds
 

 

M ILAN — Canada and Poland are deepening their military-industrial ties through a new agreement that will leverage the EU’s Security Action for Europe(SAFE) initiative to fund joint projects.

The Letter of Intent was signed on Tuesday by the Canadian National Defense Minister, David J. McGuinty, and his Polish counterpart, Władysław Kosiniak-Kamysz, during the latter’s visit to Ottawa.

“Minister McGuinty highlighted opportunities to strengthen bilateral defense industrial cooperation, including collaboration under SAFE, potential joint projects involving emerging technologies, and talks on the establishment of ammunition production capacity in Canada,” a statement from the Canadian Department of National Defense said. 

In December, Canada became the only non-European country to gain entry into the €150 billion SAFE defense borrowing and procurement scheme. 

The new preliminary document, the first of its kind to be signed between the two countries, further outlines Ottawa’s planned procurement of Polish-made drones, according to Poland’s state-owned news agency Polska Agencja Prasowa. 

The national media outlet quoted Kosiniak-Kamysz as stating after the signing ceremony that the purchase would involve the “best Polish equipment,” including the Warmate loitering munition, the FlyeEye mini-drones, and the Gladius strike and reconnaissance drones — all manufactured by the Polish company WB Group.

In March, Ottawa rolled out a $900 million investment plan as part of the country’s new Defence Industrial Strategy, in part to create a new drone innovation hub. The approach is based on a “build, partner, buy” model that seeks to manufacture military equipment locally. 
 

…Over the winter, Canada also announced a $1.4 billion plan to expand its domestic ammunition production capacity, including over $300 million to build new manufacturing facilities for 155mm artillery shells in partnership with Ontario-based company IMT Precision

 

https://breakingdefense.com/2026/05/canada-to-buy-polish-drones-deepen-defense-ties-by-leveraging-eu-safe-funds/

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Canada to buy Polish drones, deepen defense ties by leveraging EU SAFE funds
 

 

 

M ILAN — Canada and Poland are deepening their military-industrial ties through a new agreement that will leverage the EU’s Security Action for Europe(SAFE) initiative to fund joint projects.

The Letter of Intent was signed on Tuesday by the Canadian National Defense Minister, David J. McGuinty, and his Polish counterpart, Władysław Kosiniak-Kamysz, during the latter’s visit to Ottawa.

“Minister McGuinty highlighted opportunities to strengthen bilateral defense industrial cooperation, including collaboration under SAFE, potential joint projects involving emerging technologies, and talks on the establishment of ammunition production capacity in Canada,” a statement from the Canadian Department of National Defense said. 

In December, Canada became the only non-European country to gain entry into the €150 billion SAFE defense borrowing and procurement scheme. 

The new preliminary document, the first of its kind to be signed between the two countries, further outlines Ottawa’s planned procurement of Polish-made drones, according to Poland’s state-owned news agency Polska Agencja Prasowa. 

The national media outlet quoted Kosiniak-Kamysz as stating after the signing ceremony that the purchase would involve the “best Polish equipment,” including the Warmate loitering munition, the FlyeEye mini-drones, and the Gladius strike and reconnaissance drones — all manufactured by the Polish company WB Group.

In March, Ottawa rolled out a $900 million investment plan as part of the country’s new Defence Industrial Strategy, in part to create a new drone innovation hub. The approach is based on a “build, partner, buy” model that seeks to manufacture military equipment locally. 
 

…Over the winter, Canada also announced a $1.4 billion plan to expand its domestic ammunition production capacity, including over $300 million to build new manufacturing facilities for 155mm artillery shells in partnership with Ontario-based company IMT Precision

 

https://breakingdefense.com/2026/05/canada-to-buy-polish-drones-deepen-defense-ties-by-leveraging-eu-safe-funds/

…and in keeping with our deal to buy the latest Polish military technology they have also offered to install screen doors on our new submarines 😂

Edited June 2 by BeaverFever

[eyeball]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So not cozying up,

Western leaders have been buddy buddy with some of the very worst the world has to offer for decades.

 

 

[I am Groot]

On 5/31/2026 at 9:54 AM, eyeball said:

We didn't drive industry away, we encouraged it to seek cheaper pastures decades and decades ago.

Where were you then?

Here, complaining about it.

[User]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

…and in keeping with our deal to buy the latest Polish military technology they have also offered to install screen doors on our new submarines 😂

You know what else they have in Poland?

Underground gas storage. 

Keep running, coward. 

 

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, eyeball said:

Western leaders have been buddy buddy with some of the very worst the world has to offer for decades.

 

 

Doing a photo op just not make someone buddy buddy. Doing business with someone doesn't mean you're cozying up to them.

You're taking basic diplomatic relations and trying to twist them into something that never happened to suit your agenda. It's trite and childish.

 

[eyeball]

47 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You're taking basic diplomatic relations and trying to twist them into something that never happened to suit your agenda.

I'm not twisting anything, I'm underscoring my disgust.

My agenda remains the same as it's been for 50 years or more. No truck nor trade with human rights abusers.

Full stop.

[BeaverFever]

News that had been known for a while has finally beet confirmed. Purchased back in JANUARY. WELL AHEAD OF THE ORIGINAL 2030-2032 SCHEDULE. As I said previously the HIMARS and a few other things like helicopters are uniquely available from the US with no alternative meeting our requirements 

 

Canada confirms purchase of 26 HIMARS rocket launchers from U.S. government

DND says decision made after 'a rigorous evaluation process'

 

A little over a month after the Pentagon revealed it had ordered a batch of M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) for several allied countries, including Canada, the Liberal government has now publicly acknowledged the purchase.

Defence Minister David McGuinty, in a statement on Tuesday, said 26 of the highly sought artillery systems will be acquired for the Canadian Army.

The $2.6-billion purchase is being made directly from the U.S. government and includes a preliminary operational stock of munitions, spare parts, training and support services.

Delivery of the weapons system is expected to begin in 2029.

CBC News was the first to report on May 1 that Canada had agreed to the purchase last January, but not announced it. 

The U.S. Department of War, on its contracting website in late April, said it had signed a $1.1-billion US contract with Lockheed Martin to manufacture HIMARS for the U.S. Army, U.S. Marine Corps, Australia, Canada, Estonia, Sweden and Taiwan.

Prime Minister Mark Carney, in last year's federal election, promised to diversify where Canada purchased its military equipment, noting that it was unacceptable that upwards of 70 cents of every Canadian defence procurement dollar was being spent in the United States.   

In the statement on Tuesday, the Department of National Defence said the decision to buy the HIMARS through a sole-source contract in the U.S. was made following "a rigorous evaluation process" and that the system "was identified as the only solution that best met Canada's operational and technical requirements."

The statement said that there is currently no Canadian manufacturer for the HIMARS launcher system or associated long-range missile capability.

Lockheed Martin, as part of the contract, will "undertake meaningful business activities and invest in Canadian industry to support the growth of Canada's defence sector," the statement said.

"Canada's Armed Forces must have the capabilities required to meet today's threats and tomorrow's challenges," McGuinty said in a statement. "The long-range missile capability is a critical step in supporting our military so it remains ready and equipped to protect Canadians and support our allies and partners when needed."

Industry Minister Mélaine Joly said the federal government will require the company to invest directly in Canada's economy by strengthening the industrial base and integrating Canadian firms into global supply chains.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/army-artillery-defence-canada-us-9.7221033
 

 

Wait wait don’t tell me “SOMEHOW IT STILL DOESN’T COUNT !  DELETE MEMORY! DELETE MEMORY!

 

Edited June 2 by BeaverFever

[User]

5 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Wait wait don’t tell me “SOMEHOW IT STILL DOESN’T COUNT !  DELETE MEMORY! DELETE MEMORY!

Reminder of what a cowardly, lying, POS @BeaverFever is:

 

[BeaverFever]

On 6/2/2026 at 1:02 AM, CdnFox said:

We imported more people of working age than have retired. You've actually got it backwards

A lot of those immigrants were students though so not in the labour force and even though offsetting the ageing population was the primary reason for throwing open the immigration door you people screamed and howled so much that the door has been slammed shut 

 

 

[BeaverFever]

On 6/2/2026 at 11:45 AM, User said:

You know what else they have in Poland?

Underground gas storage. 

Keep running, coward. 

 

You mean “barrels of gasoline “?  And during peak electricity demand they bust out the barrels and plug their laptops into them, right?

Just a reminder Fox brought up “barrels of gasoline” because he didn’t understand what battery storage was as for or what gas plants were fueled by or how they recorded their fuel  You tried to insert yourself into the argument by pretending “barrels of gasoline” is the same as underground storage and somehow helps the gas plants produce more electricity during peak times because their pipelines can’t produce fuel power…or something…you guys often don’t have a point when you argue you just try disagree with whatever was said last 

Now answer me, b1tch. And don’t you dare think you can keep me waiting like I keep you waiting on me.  

Edited Sunday at 12:22 AM by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

Ottawa's mixed fleet of F-35s and Gripens could total more than 100 aircraft, sources say

GlobalEye supply chain could be used for major Gripen project as negotiations continue
 

The federal government is looking at expanding the military's fighter fleet beyond its original plan for 88 jets, according to industry and government sources.

Negotiations are underway for the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) to acquire a larger mixed fleet of American-made Lockheed Martin F-35s and Saab Gripen-E fighters built in Canada, the sources said.

Sources said the recently announced plan to buy the Swedish firm's GlobalEye surveillance aircraft was a "first step" in negotiations to partner on the Gripen project. But some in the military have strong reservations with the deal, as Ottawa remains adamant that military spending needs to boost Canada's tariff-battered industrial sector.

According to various sources, the federal government would still be looking at a fleet of 72 to 88 F-35s, even if it moves forward with the Gripen.

Several sources said Ottawa is exploring a purchase of 72 Gripens, which would create up to 9,000 jobs and be the largest defence industrial project in Canada.

Saab is continuing to refine its business plan to build Gripen fighters in Canada, notably by using the supply chain that will be put in place for the GlobalEye production, sources said.

"There could easily be a fleet of 140 aircraft," says a source with knowledge of discussions between Saab and Ottawa.

CBC News granted confidentiality to several sources directly involved in the file to allow them to provide details on private discussions.

…

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/f-35-gripen-saab-lockheed-martin-canadian-armed-forces-9.7225549?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

 

IMO this is the way to go

[Legato]

59 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Ottawa's mixed fleet of F-35s and Gripens could total more than 100 aircraft, sources say

GlobalEye supply chain could be used for major Gripen project as negotiations continue
 

 

The federal government is looking at expanding the military's fighter fleet beyond its original plan for 88 jets, according to industry and government sources.

Negotiations are underway for the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) to acquire a larger mixed fleet of American-made Lockheed Martin F-35s and Saab Gripen-E fighters built in Canada, the sources said.

Sources said the recently announced plan to buy the Swedish firm's GlobalEye surveillance aircraft was a "first step" in negotiations to partner on the Gripen project. But some in the military have strong reservations with the deal, as Ottawa remains adamant that military spending needs to boost Canada's tariff-battered industrial sector.

According to various sources, the federal government would still be looking at a fleet of 72 to 88 F-35s, even if it moves forward with the Gripen.

Several sources said Ottawa is exploring a purchase of 72 Gripens, which would create up to 9,000 jobs and be the largest defence industrial project in Canada.

Saab is continuing to refine its business plan to build Gripen fighters in Canada, notably by using the supply chain that will be put in place for the GlobalEye production, sources said.

"There could easily be a fleet of 140 aircraft," says a source with knowledge of discussions between Saab and Ottawa.

CBC News granted confidentiality to several sources directly involved in the file to allow them to provide details on private discussions.

…

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/f-35-gripen-saab-lockheed-martin-canadian-armed-forces-9.7225549?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

 

IMO this is the way to go

Despite an original plan to acquire 88 F-35s and putting down payments on an initial batch, political friction and trade tensions forced Ottawa to review this strategy. The government has considered capping the F-35 order and purchasing Saab Gripen fighters instead. The RCAF is strongly opposed to this, for several reasons: 

Training & Personnel: A divided training regime for pilots and ground crews would further strain a Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) already navigating a severe personnel shortage. 

Supply Chains: The F-35 and the Gripen share very few interchangeable parts. This means maintaining two distinct supply lines for spare parts, mechanical equipment, and maintenance software. 

Interoperability: The F-35 is heavily optimized to share data seamlessly with American and NORAD fifth- and sixth-generation systems. Integrating a European-designed 4.5-generation fighter like the Gripen would severely complicate tactical communications and interoperability with allies. 

 

The GlobalEye vs. Boeing E-7

In a pivot away from total U.S. reliance, Canada chose to enter negotiations to procure the Saab GlobalEye (built using Bombardier Global 6500 jets) for airborne surveillance rather than the American Boeing E-7 Wedgetail. While the GlobalEye offers excellent technology, it presents unique logistical bottlenecks for the Canadian Armed Forces: [1, 2, 3, 4]

• No Air-to-Air Refueling: The current configuration of the GlobalEye cannot be refueled in mid-air, significantly limiting its time on station. During long missions in the Arctic, the aircraft would have to return to base frequently, leaving Canadian airspace temporarily without airborne warning and control coverage. 
• System Disconnects: Experts point out that the GlobalEye is not fully optimized to communicate and coordinate in real time with the U.S. and Canadian future F-35 interceptors, which are essential for northern NORAD operations
• The push to buy these two different types of aircraft boils down to a classic tug-of-war between military effectiveness and domestic industrial strategy. While a mixed-fleet and buying Swedish platforms creates thousands of jobs in Canada and diversifies away from Washington's orbit, top Canadian military officials have repeatedly warned that splitting up fleets heavily degrades operational efficiency and increases costs in the long run. 

The Carney debacles continue without a minutes let up.

[BeaverFever]

30 minutes ago, Legato said:

Training & Personnel: A divided training regime for pilots and ground crews would further strain a Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) already navigating a severe personnel shortage. 

Supply Chains: The F-35 and the Gripen share very few interchangeable parts. This means maintaining two distinct supply lines for spare parts, mechanical equipment, and maintenance software. 

Interoperability: The F-35 is heavily optimized to share data seamlessly with American and NORAD fifth- and sixth-generation systems. Integrating a European-designed 4.5-generation fighter like the Gripen would severely complicate tactical communications and interoperability with allies. 

And yet other countries currently manage mixed fighter fleets even with F35s and Canada has always had mixed fighter fleets historically prior to the cf-18 era. 
 

Gripen would not “severely complicate” anything  4th generation aircraft including Gripens are abundant in NATO and the US military and will still be for a while. 
 

37 minutes ago, Legato said:

No Air-to-Air Refueling:

Already being worked on

 

38 minutes ago, Legato said:

During long missions in the Arctic, the aircraft would have to return to base frequently,

“Frequently” is an exaggeration as the Global has good endurance. It can also use shorter runways than e7 so can operate from more northern airfields closer to the arctic 

41 minutes ago, Legato said:

System Disconnects: Experts point out that the GlobalEye is not fully optimized to communicate and coordinate in real time with the U.S. and Canadian future F-35 interceptors, which are essential for northern NORAD operations

Another exaggeration Globaleye can communicate and datalink with any aircraft in real time including F35. . Link 16 is the NATO standard. Granted it’s not as optimized as the new native datalink that f35 has and presumably US E7 will have but it’s not a showstopper if US refuses to allow Canadian Globaleyes to have the same link.  USA still uses 4th generation fighters and F16s in NORAD FFS

 

48 minutes ago, Legato said:

While a mixed-fleet and buying Swedish platforms creates thousands of jobs in Canada and diversifies away from Washington's orbit, top Canadian military officials have repeatedly warned that splitting up fleets heavily degrades operational efficiency and increases costs in the long run. 

The military isn’t responsible for political sovereignty and keeping Canada from becoming a puppet state so naturally it’s not a concern for them. It is however the responsibility of the elected government, who also ultimately decides what costs are worthwhile or not. 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

A lot of those immigrants were students though so not in the labour force and even though offsetting the ageing population was the primary reason for throwing open the immigration door you people screamed and howled so much that the door has been slammed shut 

 

 

Students work, and in fact many of them worked instead of attending schools. That was a big thing. And of course the tfw's are by definition workers. 

And a huge percent of 'students' go on to become citizens. 

So my original point is still completely valid. 

And no, the primary reason for throwing open the doors to over immigratoin was to mask the weakness in the economy by artificially boosting the base GDP  number. Now that this excessive immigration has been stopped we're seeing how weak we really are. To the point of recession. 

And we're still letting in very large amounts of immigrants so sorry, but you really don't have a leg to stand on in that regard. 

 

[I am Groot]

13 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

A lot of those immigrants were students though so not in the labour force and even though offsetting the ageing population was the primary reason for throwing open the immigration door you people screamed and howled so much that the door has been slammed shut 

Because every demographer and statistician has been saying for the last forty years that immigration can do almost nothing to offset an aging population.

Instead, it's made the problem worse by lowering the birthrate even more.

[BeaverFever]

49 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Because every demographer and statistician has been saying for the last forty years that immigration can do almost nothing to offset an aging population.

Instead, it's made the problem worse by lowering the birthrate even more.

Lol i don’t think any of that is true or makes sense. Other than the obvious that importing STUDENTS doesn’t immediately contribute to the labour for or birth rates it does over time. 

[BeaverFever]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Students work, and in fact many of them worked instead of attending schools. That was a big thing. And of course the tfw's are by definition workers. 

And a huge percent of 'students' go on to become citizens. 

Students are not counted in the labour force though, that’s what matters. What they might have eventually done in the future if they had stayed in Canada is also not counted in current statistics 

 

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And no, the primary reason for throwing open the doors to over immigratoin was to mask the weakness in the economy by artificially boosting the base GDP  number. Now that this excessive immigration has been stopped we're seeing how weak we really are. To the point of recession. 

And we're still letting in very large amounts of immigrants so sorry, but you really don't have a leg to stand on in that regard. 

Growing the economy by the growing the population is of course the whole point of immigration it is not an evil plot to hide anything. The Trudeau immigration plan shows there are limits to this however. Just lole children need to eat to grow and be healthy but if you feed them too much they get fat. The Trudeau government was just not sophisticated enough to pull it off. Before the Trudeau immigration the 3 fastest growing age demographics were all over 50. and the Trudeau policy changed 2 of those to under 40 but they were students or working lower wage jobs. 
 

Now the population is actually shrinking because of the immigration crackdown contrary to your claim and overall GDP is shrinking partially due to that along the Trumpflation and tariffs.
 

What’s funny is that when immigrants were technically growing the economy you were quick to point out that GDP growth doesn’t matter and GDP PER CAPITA matters. But now that GDP capita is up you claim the exact opposite:  that GDP per capita doesn’t matter its the “technical recession” because GDP “technically” shrank by a fraction of a percentage. 

[BeaverFever]

 

 

 

 

Posthaste: Recession, what recession? Canada's economy is doing better than it has in years by this measure

GDP per person is once again on the rise
 

….Luckily, economists say there is more to a recession than just two quarters of negative growth — namely the 3 Ds — depth, duration and dispersion.

This decline is not even close on depth — amounting to just 0.6 per cent annualized over the two quarters, “barely a scratch in GDP terms,” said Robert Kavcic, senior economist at BMO Capital Markets in a note.

In the past three Canadians recessions, outside the pandemic, the average decline at the weakest point was 5.3 per cent.

Nor is weakness widespread across the economy. The trade war has hit manufacturing, trade and real estate hard, but other sectors like finance, resources and health care are growing, said Kavcic.

Though exports are down, domestic demand has been climbing, and consumer spending has continued to rise.

Duration, he concedes, is getting close. The Canadian economy has been soft since the start of the trade war in early 2025, posting three negative quarters out of four.

However, there is one key variable in this equation that should not be overlooked and when viewed through its lens paints a very different picture of Canada’s economy, say economists — population.

Since the federal government cracked down on immigration after the post-pandemic boom, population has actually declined in Canada over the past two quarters.

So while the overall GDP reading is slipping, GDP per person is on the rise, a welcome change from a few years back when the per capita measure was nose-diving.

GDP per capita fell by almost 2.5 per cent in just over a year in 2022 and 2023, and plunged again in 2025, even as headline GDP was growing. The latest data showed GDP per person picked up by an annualized 0.9 per cent in the first quarter of 2026.

“That’s a better outcome for how individual households experience the economic backdrop compared to, for example, the ostensibly respectable GDP increases in 2023/2024 that actually represented persistent declines on a per-capita basis,” said Janzen.

 

Make no mistake, the Canadian economy remains fragile and faces more uncertainty in coming months as review of the Canada-United-States-Mexico Agreement gets underway.

But as economists at National Bank of Canada said Friday: “We are not ready to bandy about the ‘R’ word, at least not yet.”

 

https://financialpost.com/news/canada-recession-fears-overblown