Canadian Defence News

[herbie]

Just repeatedly deny climate change is real.
Act like people wanting to anything about it want to switch the lights out overnight,

Go out of their way to reverse every environmental policy ever made.
Discredit and abandon entire new industries  tp maintain the status quo.
Tout the glory of the worker, while doing everything possible yo disempower them and nleed them dry.
 

[CdnFox]

30 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It's a hoax...a scam.

 

It is a hoax and a scam as we have demonstrated many times.  "we can TAX the climate problem away, honest!"  Yeah no.  

But that is not the same as claiming that if we do something productive about climate change that it will destroy the economy. It only points out that you and your friends make false statements in suggest fake solutions that achieve nothing harm the economy and line their pockets for no results.

Which is pretty much the definition of a scam   That's why so few people nowadays have climate changes their number one priority having seen the effect of left-wing climate policy to date and recognizing it for what it is

[eyeball]

45 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

"we can TAX the climate problem away, honest!"

Don't forget that was a conservative market-based solution the vast majority of economists and fossil fuel companies applauded.

[Legato]

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Don't forget that was a conservative market-based solution the vast majority of economists and fossil fuel companies applauded.

until it was found to have serious flaws and abandoned it.

Then the Trudeau egged on by the Carney doubled down on the idiocy and made it into a staple diet.

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Don't forget that was a conservative market-based solution the vast majority of economists and fossil fuel companies applauded.

Nope.  It was originally explored by the conservatives as a potentially good idea.  It sounds good on paper after all, But pretty quickly they realized it was a failure of an idea and the dropped it. 

And no the 'majority' didn't particularly think it was a good idea and pointed out the flaws.  The gov't CLAIMED the 'majority' liked it but in reality the only ones who did were either working for the gov't or 'environmental' orgs directly or in directly. 

It's failure is on you. Conservatives and the same people knew long before it was introduced but it could not work due to problems with the elasticity of energy spending. And the liberals didn't even bother to make an estimate as to how effective it would be or put anything in place to track it. They knew it would be a failure day one.

[Army Guy]

Afghan war memorial a bust, more about a photo op for other groups, NO veteran groups invited, not one vet in the crowd according to the media...

 

[BeaverFever]

On 5/24/2026 at 4:59 PM, Army Guy said:

WOW....a couple of buildings, 7 jets....I'm sure those on the pointy end of the stick are awe struck....

Let’s be honest, no matter how much it is and how quickly it come you will claim without any evidence whatsoever that conservatives would have done more and faster.  The jets and space contracts in particular were lightning fast. The apartment building in Esquimalt was closed within 5 weeks.   You’re just trolling. 

 

On 5/24/2026 at 5:02 PM, I am Groot said:

Why is there no project to just build our own armed drones? Is the technology too complex?

There are many drone projects underway in the military.The military doesn’t even knew what it wants in a drone yet. Not all drones are equally capable. You act like they’re trying to buy something and carney won’t let them  

The military branches STILL have yet to define their drone requirements and there are numerous active drone projects throughout the CAF  

You guys all being blue-collar types really have zero appreciation for the analysis and planning amd high-level decisions that have to go into things  You folks just want to do shit on impulse and make it up as you go and you have completely unrealistic expectations about when it will be finished (because you don’t do planning) and that’s how you get into shitshow quagmires like the Iran fiasco. 
 

On 5/24/2026 at 5:02 PM, I am Groot said:

Yes, I'm sure those are issues. But they don't become issues until we PLACE A BLOODY ORDER!

No they are issues now because you have to decide if a specific product’s backlog is worth the wait. Should you accept a 5-year delivery delay to get exactly what you want or should you settle for something that does 85% of what you want but is available years sooner?  
 

8 hours ago, Army Guy said:

May not have been in weeks but it was a thousand times faster than any normal purchasing, funny when government wants something it can move pretty fast, like the PM plane, or those 7 new leer jets for VIP transport.

You cant buy an entire fleet on UOR. All of those Afghanistan purchases were very limited small quantity purchases   
 

Also the Globals ate not Learjets (LEAR was a specific brand of small bizjet that is no longer made ). And like the Airbus they are transport and medevac not just VIP. One of the 7 is exclusively a defence R&D testbed   
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

until it was found to have serious flaws

Not by the vast majority of economists.

It was only you people who had a problem. Fossil fuel companies have pivoted and seem happy to side with you now. They prefer tax credits and subsidies too.

[User]

4 hours ago, herbie said:

Just repeatedly deny climate change is real.
Act like people wanting to anything about it want to switch the lights out overnight,

Go out of their way to reverse every environmental policy ever made.
Discredit and abandon entire new industries  tp maintain the status quo.
Tout the glory of the worker, while doing everything possible yo disempower them and nleed them dry.
 

No way. What we do is, we ship all the coal and industrial base over to China, where they don't give a shit, and then we can brag about how amazing we are and what we did to stop climate change!

 

[BeaverFever]

On 5/24/2026 at 5:05 PM, Army Guy said:

You mean the last time that pledge as you called it was signed was by justin....he made a great big deal out of it, then he flew back to Canada and told the world he had no intention of upholding any of it...Why even go there if you had not intention of upholding any of it....

Every nation that signed that new pledge has said they would honor it...including Canada....non binding or not, Carney has said to the world we will honor it...his and our nations reputation depend on them keeping their word...but i get it liberals have a long establish history of just saying F88k it....

Well it was originally made by Harper who then cut defence spending to below 1%.  What do you make of that

Trudeau did increase it significantly just not to 2% and he probably had no intention of ever doing so and probably did tell the head of NATO that  

But we are ar 2% now no matter how much you want to deny it anf make up your own definitions instead of the NATO definition  

 

[BeaverFever]

On 5/23/2026 at 5:08 PM, I am Groot said:

We haven't ordered anything of substance yet.

The problem is you have a juvenile definition of “substance”. SATCOM is of substance. Renovating and acquiring housing is of substance. Increasing pay is of substance. Highest recruitment in 30 years is of substance. Building the hangars and the ranges and the training and maintenance facilities and all the other infrastructure that needs to be in place BEFORE the new aircraft and vehicles arrive is of substance  

[Legato]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Not by the vast majority of economists.

It was only you people who had a problem. Fossil fuel companies have pivoted and seem happy to side with you now. They prefer tax credits and subsidies too.

Economists recognize that unilateral carbon taxes can hurt domestic businesses competing globally. Without strict "border carbon adjustments" to level the playing field, these taxes risk shifting production and emissions to countries with lax climate laws (carbon leakage).

[BeaverFever]

8 hours ago, User said:

 

Reminder of what a cowardly, lying, POS @BeaverFever is:

 

So pathetic and desperate for my attention to validate your tiny existence. Jealous that Im responding to others and making you wait your turn. You are my b1tch. You will wait your turn and I will get to you when I get you, And when I do, you will respond to me immediately. Got that, b1tch?

[User]

2 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

So pathetic and desperate for my attention to validate your tiny existence. Jealous that Im responding to others and making you wait your turn. You are my b1tch. You will wait your turn and I will get to you when I get you, And when I do, you will respond to me immediately. Got that, b1tch?

So interesting that for all the shit talk you sit here doing, it never seemed to have crossed your mind that you are still responding to me... which makes you just as much my b1tch as you think I am yours. The fact that it takes you so long only shows how much I am living in your head rent-free as you dwell on that. 

I don't need you to respond; hell, I am not even asking you to anymore. I am just calling you out for what you are. 

[BeaverFever]

On 5/23/2026 at 6:03 PM, CdnFox said:

There's nothing on your list that actually resolves our issues and nothing that carney can't cancel and most of it hasn't actually been firmed up

All of that addresses our issues.  
 

And what are you talking about “there’s nothing carney can’t cancel”. Any government can cancel any order at any time so you’re trying to give yourself a license to permanently claim no order ever counts ever. Your argument is so stupid. How about waiting until an order actually gets canceled then?

On 5/23/2026 at 6:11 PM, CdnFox said:

How many freaking times have they bought and then unbought the f-35s? 

Trudeau cancelled Harper’s order. Chretien canceled Mulroneys order. They have not canceled their own order that I can think of. 

 

On 5/23/2026 at 6:03 PM, CdnFox said:

What are you talking about you twat? I never went to France with anything.

That was your little buddy, trying to rescue you from your “barrels of gasoline” gaffe. He was trying to say with a straight face that you were actually referring to natural salt caverns filled with natural gas, which of course you were right? 😉

 

On 5/23/2026 at 6:03 PM, CdnFox said:

So again it's all lies. He says that we spent our NATO commitment last year and we didn't. From an accounting point of view he can make it look like that but the Americans and everybody else with half a brain can take one look and see that we didn't. We spent about what we always do. And no planes ordered no submarines ordered no tanks ordered and we have the same order for vehicles except we gave 50 of them away already.

And all you post is crap that some day we might order something (but not enough even if it's true) All you're doing is proving us right. You're a freaking joke

Thatbis all bullshit I honestly can’t tell when you’re deliberately lying and when you’re so worked up you truly believe your nonsense 

 

We are at 2% of NATO spending per the NATO definition. You can whine that 2% is not enough  You can whine that NATO’s definition is inadequate  Fair game  But we are at 2% and that is a FACT

You are also a liar that the announcements are simply “crap we might buy some day” That’s EXACTLY what a purchase looks like:   a signed contract, a binding financial commitment and a public announcement  What else are you expecting?  You don’t even know  Because you know nothing and you’re not afraid to just completely make shit up  

On 5/23/2026 at 6:03 PM, CdnFox said:

You're a complete fraud. You have no clue about what you're saying. 

OMG that is hilarious you’re the WORST bullshitter on this site!  Worse all the other RWNJs who just repost conservative propaganda because you ate the only one who will shamelessly MAKE UP NONSENSE and pretend to know what youare talking about. Like your barrels of gasoline and your Bush balanced the budget and your “Carney admitted to being an acquaintance of Epstein” and tour “the left supported Hitler” and when you claimed the article titled ‘Debunked 2000 Mules Video Contains No Evidence’ was actually trying to tell readers 2000 mules presented compelling evidence. You are shameless. 

[BeaverFever]

On 5/23/2026 at 1:37 PM, BeaverFever said:

You guys don’t know what you’re talking about. Are you trying to suggest that EVERY gas plant is located above a cavern?  It has NOTHING TO DO with the tpoic you guys are just down a rabbit hole trying to defend whatever you said last while having completely lost the point of the discussion   Do you even remember the context of the original argument?

To  recap:  I posted an article about a new battery storage site in Ontario that will massively increase the amount of electricity available to the community during peak demand.  Energy will be generated when it is in low demand and cheap to produce, and then supplies peak power to the grid when electricity is in high demand and expensive to produce. This MASSIVELY increases the amount of electricity available at peak times without increasing the number of generators required, as supply is coming from you EXISTING generators. 

@User

 

Read it, b1tch. 

[BeaverFever]

On 5/23/2026 at 6:08 PM, CdnFox said:

They do, and you've proven yourself to be a complete ignorant twat. 

Here's the bottom line, seeing as you don't seem able to comprehend anything more than that. 

You cannot store electricity economically in enough volume to be there when you need it. 

You can store oil or gas economically in enough volume to be there when you need it. 

So any system where you must store electricity for future use because it can't be made on demand is useless as a primary power source. At best it's secondary or support. 

IF you can't understand that very simple and easily verified fact, then you need to fire your elementary school teacher and apply for remedial courses. 

LMAO WTF are you babbling about?  You seriously are making up your own fake arguments  

Look:  this is what Grid battery storage  - WHICH IS REAL AND IS ALREADY IN USE ALL OVER THE WORLD - is for:

Imagine a community that uses so much electricity during peak demand hours every day that its near the capacity of local generator (e.g gas plant).  But outside of peak demand hours there is very little use and the gas plant is practically idle  How do you get more electricity during peak hours without having to build a whole new plant just for a few hours a day?

NO AMOUNT OF “BARRELS OF GASOLINE” or “stored oil and gas” or “salt caves” bullshit or whatever nonsense you are spewing addresses that. THAT IS WHERE BATTERIES COME IN. 
 

At night when demand is low:  generator charges battery. During peak hours when demand is high: town gets electricity from BOTH the generator AND the battery. Still only 1 generator plant but now double the available electricity during peak hours.
 

DO YOU GET IT NOW?

AND if you connect it to wind and solar it saves power generated by wind and solar for when the wind isn’t blowing and when the sun isn’t shining 

How is that so fukin hard for you to understand. Seriously. 

And it’s not a theory battery storage is already a thing in mass production and widespread use. You are like someone in 1945 still claiming airplanes will never be able to fly. . 

Just now, BeaverFever said:

LMAO WTF are you babbling about?  You seriously are making up your own fake arguments  

Look:  this is what Grid battery storage  - WHICH IS REAL AND IS ALREADY IN USE ALL OVER THE WORLD - is for:

Imagine a community that uses so much electricity during peak demand hours every day that its near the capacity of local generator (e.g gas plant).  But outside of peak demand hours there is very little use and the gas plant is practically idle  How do you get more electricity during peak hours without having to build a whole new plant just for a few hours a day?

NO AMOUNT OF “BARRELS OF GASOLINE” or “stored oil and gas” or “salt caves” bullshit or whatever nonsense you are spewing addresses that. THAT IS WHERE BATTERIES COME IN. 
 

At night when demand is low:  generator charges battery. During peak hours when demand is high: town gets electricity from BOTH the generator AND the battery. Still only 1 generator plant but now double the available electricity during peak hours.
 

DO YOU GET IT NOW?

AND if you connect it to wind and solar it saves power generated by wind and solar for when the wind isn’t blowing and when the sun isn’t shining 

How is that so fukin hard for you to understand. Seriously. 

And it’s not a theory battery storage is already a thing in mass production and widespread use. You are like someone in 1945 still claiming airplanes will never be able to fly. . 

@User read it, b1tch

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Not by the vast majority of economists.

 

Yes By the vast majority of economists, and it turns out they were right

That's why I only left-wing governments believe in it

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

All of that addresses our issues.  
 

And what are you talking about “there’s nothing carney can’t cancel”. Any government can cancel any order at any time so you’re trying to give yourself a license to permanently claim no order ever counts ever. Your argument is so stupid. How about waiting until an order actually gets canceled then?

Trudeau cancelled Harper’s order. Chretien canceled Mulroneys order. They have not canceled their own order that I can think of. 

 

That was your little buddy, trying to rescue you from your “barrels of gasoline” gaffe. He was trying to say with a straight face that you were actually referring to natural salt caverns filled with natural gas, which of course you were right? 😉

 

Thatbis all bullshit I honestly can’t tell when you’re deliberately lying and when you’re so worked up you truly believe your nonsense 

 

We are at 2% of NATO spending per the NATO definition. You can whine that 2% is not enough  You can whine that NATO’s definition is inadequate  Fair game  But we are at 2% and that is a FACT

You are also a liar that the announcements are simply “crap we might buy some day” That’s EXACTLY what a purchase looks like:   a signed contract, a binding financial commitment and a public announcement  What else are you expecting?  You don’t even know  Because you know nothing and you’re not afraid to just completely make shit up  

OMG that is hilarious you’re the WORST bullshitter on this site!  Worse all the other RWNJs who just repost conservative propaganda because you ate the only one who will shamelessly MAKE UP NONSENSE and pretend to know what youare talking about. Like your barrels of gasoline and your Bush balanced the budget and your “Carney admitted to being an acquaintance of Epstein” and tour “the left supported Hitler” and when you claimed the article titled ‘Debunked 2000 Mules Video Contains No Evidence’ was actually trying to tell readers 2000 mules presented compelling evidence. You are shameless. 

None of that addresses the issues at all. Simply stating it does and repeating a lie doesn't make it true

And you admit that carney can easily cancel it and never have to actually fulfill the order. Which we've seen many times in the past from the liberals.

And yes absolutely the liberals are absolutely famous for canceling orders as you say.

No, what I said and what everyone else said was correct and what you said was absolutely stupid

Until we have a container that it stores electricity as easily as we store gasoline or fuel it will be nothing but a secondary or tertiary electrical supply. Everybody else got that, you wound up looking like the biggest turd in the entire universe trying desperately to argue that very simple and obvious fact is wrong

And yes it's an accounting trick. Sorry to burst your bubble but 15 billion that we were already spending on coast guard does not become military spending just because you change the stamp at the top. 2 billion entry planting that was designed to save the environment does not become military just because you swap the label

We aren't at 2% of actual military spending and the Americans are quite aware of it

and no,  a purchases when you give somebody money and they give you goods. It's not when you promised one day that maybe you'll give somebody some money in exchange for goods possibly maybe we'll see

As you yourself said the liberals are famous for canceling purchase agreements. Or just giving them to other countries

Kid you are a complete 100% fraud and it's not just me saying that here. Carney hasn't improved the military substantially at all. He promised that procurement would happen faster than any other point in history and it's at a crawl. He's spending money on everything except the military and claiming it's military spending. 

You're a fraud and a liar and a sap and it's just disappointing as hell to see

 

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

LMAO WTF are you babbling about?  You seriously are making up your own fake arguments  

Oh  look who wants to look like a twat again 🙄🙄🙄

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Look:  this is what Grid battery storage  - WHICH IS REAL AND IS ALREADY IN USE ALL OVER THE WORLD - is for:

Everybody knows what batteries are for dumbass

The point we were discussing back in the day is that you cannot replace fuel driven electricity with solar or wind because the cost of storing the energy is insanely High

And it is. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Compare that to fuel which is extremely cheap and easy to store. And can be converted into electricity at a moment's notice

That is a simple fact that anyone Beyond grade three can figure out. Electrical storage is insanely expensive, it requires massive amounts of land for the amount of electricity you store, and it is impractical on a large scale.

Fuel storage is cheap and easy and you can scale it to whatever size you need

Which is why you can't replace it with wind or solar. It would not be financially possible to store up enough electricity and batteries to last you through the winter for example. At best you can use it to offset or supplement your other energy creation and that is true in every single part of the world currently

You could replace fuel with water, you can replace fuel with nuclear, but you can't do it with wind or solar because even a toddler can figure out that you cannot store electricity in the quantities necessary economically or feasibly and nobody on this planet is doing so on any kind of serious scale. 

And I even went over all the numbers with you at the time. Your denial is legendary  

But I appreciate you taking the time to look like a complete twat again  always good to relive the oldies when it comes to your stupidity   

 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Let’s be honest, no matter how much it is and how quickly it come you will claim without any evidence whatsoever that conservatives would have done more and faster.  

Carney was the one who said he would do more and faster and he has failed to do so.

Worse it doesn't look like anything's going to change next year either. Maybe a few more trees?

Not looking great for the year after that either

You're defending the indefensible

[BeaverFever]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Carney was the one who said he would do more and faster and he has failed to do so.

Worse it doesn't look like anything's going to change next year either. Maybe a few more trees?

Not looking great for the year after that either

You're defending the indefensible

We are doing more and faster, that’s a fact. Your expectation that the subs equipment and aircraft should already be delivered or else ”he’s done nothing” is ridiculous. 

[BeaverFever]

13 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Everybody knows what batteries are for dumbass

Everybody except you, clearly. 
 

14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The point we were discussing back in the day is that you cannot replace fuel driven electricity with solar or wind because the cost of storing the energy is insanely High

That is false. Building a whole second gas plant just to provide a few peak hours of electricity is more expensive than adding a battery to an existing gas plant

In Ontario especially there is lots of Nuclear power, abundant hydro is highly “dispatchable” (meaning it can be turned up or down) and plenty of electricity import options are available.   That means batteries can work very well to absorb surplus power supply overnight and store it to help with peaks and reduce gas peaker use

Meanwhile battery costs continue to fall as companies like Tesla, Hyundai and Volkswagen expand into the space, stacking large numbers of batteries for more than just “peak” electricity becomes more and more affordable. 

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Legato said:

Economists recognize that unilateral carbon taxes can hurt domestic businesses competing globally.

Not the vast majority of them. Most know the long term gain is worth the short term pain.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

We are doing more and faster, that’s a fact.

We haven't done anything. And that's a fact.  No new gear, no 'raise' that wasn't clawed back, no better prepared than before, 

So we're dong' 'nothing ' faster than ever before? Great.