Canadian Defence News

[User]

40 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Or as the know-nothing MAGA troll-twats on here would say, “more trees”

Just facts. Why you have to be so obstinate and dishonest about it is beyond me. 

 

[Reg Volk]

48 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Whats funny is that the Carney Derangement Crowd

What is the "Carney Derangement Crowd"?  Carney is a giant piece of human garbage.  Canada is in the economic dumper.  Our national defence is a joke, thanks to 11 years of horrible Liberal rule.  Canada is an international embarrassment.  It all starts with our loser Liberal government.

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Great! Name these new weapons systems, please.

Why have we not already ordered new anti-aircraft and anti-armor missile systems for the army? What about new artillery? Tanks? Armored vehicles? Anti-drone systems? Why haven't we ordered new subs yet? Have we done anything to speed up the construction of the world's most costly frigates? 

Or is most of this new spending going to be on non-military 'support' infrastructure' or things like incorporating fishery patrol ships into the military?

The Army is still finalizing their requirements for all of those. It is sitting with them not the elected government  As a general statement the CAF appears to now be disfavouring small urgent operational procurements of special kit just for the troops overseas and now instead wants large orders with the troops at home having the same gear and systems as those overseas albeit less urgently (GBAD as I note below is an exception). Here is what i have read:

Indirect Fires Modernization Program: (artillery) specs have basically been written to match the German RCH155 as it is the only system on the market that fire while moving. The RFI was sent out to industry last year  There is also apparently interest studying whether it can be mounted on a LAV platform as the Swiss are working on that with a vehicle that is a distant relative of the LAV 

Long Range Precision Strike:  American HIMARS is basically a done deal. Depending upon what source you trust the point of no return has already been passed but I have not seen any formal announcement

Heavy Direct Fire Modernization Program: existing tank refurbishment and upgrade program is already actively underway with expected completion 2033 due to massive backlogs in Germany with expected service life until 2035.  A new tank purchase program is also being pursued, with the Army planning to “identify and begin procurement” in 2030 and have a targeted full operational capability in 2037 

Medium Cavalry program: tracked combat vehicles- army apparently is still contemplating exactly what capabilities they want but rumoured contenders are Swedish CV90, German Lynx, and Korean Redback  Target is 250+ vehicles and project has been accelerated to target 2029-2031 delivery instead of the original 2035  

LAV 6/ACSV:  variants continue to roll off the assembly line, although first deliveries were only in 2019, army is apparently discussing major design changes with the manufacturer 

Ground-based air defence program: Army reset the program back in October and broke it up into separate projects for different systems. The army originally drafted their requirements in 2017 and has decided they are no longer fit for purpose for today’s threat environment.  An urgent operational requirement for Latvia only is being accelerated but unfortunately the brass sent it back to the drawing board  

Drone/counter drone:  ICYMI they just announced a new drone tech hub to be based in Ottawa. There are drone projects of every size and shape going on right now. It’s almost like there are too many to evaluate and most are startup companies   But sounds like something should happen soon

 

Subs:  I can’t believe you’re complaining about this, thisnis the fastest moving procurement of all of them which is astounding considering the absolutely astronomical size of it. This is the biggest procurement in Canadian history I believe and it’s already down to the final 2 contenders, bids just got locked in a couple weeks ago and a contract will be awarded this year. It’s unheard of for any major procurement to move even half this fast let alone the largest ever. 
 

You know buying major military systems isn’t like picking up groceries at the store. These are some of the biggest, most expensive and most complex purchases anyone can make. 

[BeaverFever]

9 hours ago, User said:

Just facts. Why you have to be so obstinate and dishonest about it is beyond me. 

 

You have the headline of an article you can’t read and then made-up narratives you have invented in your own mind. Your false claim is not based on the facts. Your claim is based on the fictions you have invented to tie the facts together into a false narrative. 

[BeaverFever]

10 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

HOLY DEFENCE SPENDING BATMAN!

Make that FIVE major spending announcements since this dumb argument started last week, McGuinty is pulling a doubleheader tomorrow!  IMT makes large munitions like artillery, mortars, tank rounds, etc. Likely it’s to announce adding a new munitions production line which is in addition to an expansion and new lines that were added barely 18 months ago in 2024  

 

Or as the know-nothing MAGA troll-twats on here would say, “more trees”

Department of National Defence to make an announcement on investments in ammunition production

From: National Defence

Media advisory

March 17, 2026 – Ottawa, ON – National Defence / Canadian Armed Forces

The Honourable David J. McGuinty, Minister of National Defence, will host a news conference on investments in ammunition production in Canada.

• When: Wednesday, March 18, 2026
• Time: 10:00 a.m. EST
• Where: IMT Precision, 347 King St W, Ingersoll, ON, N5C 3K6

 

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/news/2026/03/department-of-national-defence-to-make-an-announcement-on-investments-in-ammunition-production.html

 

 

Yep confirmed   That’s billion with B, not billion trees, billion dollars  

 

Ottawa spending $1.4-billion to ramp up domestic ammunition production capacity

 

Ottawa is spending $1.4-billion to bolster Canada’s domestic ammunition production capacity through the establishment of new facilities to manufacture supplies such as artillery shells and nitrocellulose, a compound used in a range of military munitions.

Defence Minister David McGuinty said the funds will be divided between two companies: IMT Precision, based in Ingersoll, Ont., and General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems – Canada in Repentigny, Que., a subsidiary of the U.S. defence company. Both companies are part of Canada’s Munitions Supply Program, which was created in the 1970s and protects producers from competition. 

The federal government is making the investment under itsnew Canadian Defence Industry Resilience program, which it announced in February as part of its $6.6-billion Defence Industrial Strategy. The funding announced Wednesday is included in that total.
 

…

Ottawa will give General Dynamics up to $642-million to build a new manufacturing facility dedicated to loading, assembling and packing NATO-standard 155-millimetre high-explosive projectiles, such as those used in howitzers. It will also provide up to $57.9-million to establish Canada’s first facility capable of loading, assembling and packing M231/232 charges, a type of propelling charges also used in 155mm artillery.

By 2028, General Dynamics’ facilities should be able to process 12,744 projectiles annually. By 2029, the goal is to scale up to 12,000 a month.

 

In Ingersoll, IMT Precision will receive a $305.4-million direct investment, also per a contribution agreement with Ottawa, to manufacture the empty metal shells used in 155-millimetre artillery. 

The new facility will be ready for production in roughly 2½ years, and reach full capacity in four years. Once complete, it will be capable of producing 144,000 M795 shells a year.

The facility for domestic supply will add to the company’s existing production lines for the U.S. Army. In October, 2024, the U.S. Army hosted a ribbon-cutting ceremony at the company’s Ingersoll facility, celebrating its anticipated production of 15,000 shell bodies a month.

The new Canadian facility is expected to create at least 75 full-time jobs, with the possibility of employment reaching 400 at full production.
 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/economy/article-ottawa-spending-14-billion-domestic-ammunition-production-capacity/

 

Edited March 18 by BeaverFever

[John Stone]

On 3/16/2026 at 4:50 PM, Venandi said:

What if the dingbats and stone brained magats had left Iran to fester?

Had it gone sideways, the same folks doing the name calling now would be holding those self same dingbats and stone brained magats responsible for not acting in a timely manner. 

Those with a time machine would surely have pointed to 2026 as the year to get er done.... it followed record domestic production and Iran was still at 60% with (at least) a portion of their stocks depleted. 

At times (mostly after reading some of the nonsense here), a perverse part of me almost longs for the chance to watch enrichment crack 80% (where non-missile options start) and then move to missile purity at about 90%. I can imagine Herb hatching kittens on the kitchen floor as all of the non-dingbats sarcastically ask why the magats failed to act decisively when they had the chance?

This was damn sure going to happen sooner or later; and if you think sooner is messy I'd invite you to conjure up the spectre of later.

So, for all y'all doing the name calling, did you think Iran was going to have a sudden epiphany and change their ways or would you really have rather rolled the dice, waited until 90% purity and hoped for the best?

Since I see only two options, do it now and take the pain, or do it later and suffer agony, I'm wondering what the smart folks here consider the peaceful third option to be and how the epiphany that created it as a viable option would come to be.   

While you're thinking about it, here's a link to proper tree planting in case you want to participate in Canada's quest for 2%:

https://www.vintagetreecare.com/proper-tree-planting-steps

The road to hell is paved with good intentions? 

 World opinion quickly came to the conclusion that Trump fk'd up royally. OMG - what a maroon. 

That said, it might be time for the U.S. to receive global support in getting Hormuz opened.

Trump needs to sit in the corner and lick his nutz. Silence is  golden but duct tape is silver. 

Should be said that opening the Strait does not mean hostilities will end - likely the contrary. 

Additionally, the Persian Gulf is far more that simply the Strait of Hormuz.  

 

 

[ironstone]

Canada(Carney) is donating armored vehicles to Ukraine.

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/news/2026/03/minister-mcguinty-highlights-armoured-vehicles-donation-to-ukraine-visits-roshel-facility-in-brampton.html

Have to protect those Brookfield assets in Ukraine right?

[User]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

You have the headline of an article you can’t read and then made-up narratives you have invented in your own mind. Your false claim is not based on the facts. Your claim is based on the fictions you have invented to tie the facts together into a false narrative. 

Such a sad, pathetic person you are. I quoted the first paragraph of the article, not the headline. You can't argue the facts, so this is all you are left with. A better person would have just admitted they were wrong days ago. 

This is the headline:

Department of National Defence is planting trees at military housing sites

This is the fisrt paragraph I quoted:

The Department of National Defence will plant nearly 14,500 trees on military housing sites over the next five years as part of the federal government’s two billion trees program.

https://www.nationalobserver.com/2022/08/09/news/department-national-defence-planting-trees-military-housing-sites



 

[I am Groot]

12 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

The Army is still finalizing their requirements for all of those

So here's what you do. You call in the army CoS and say "Tell me what you want this week and I'll order it through a sole source contract. No, we're not going to wait five years to 'identify' and begin procurement of a new tank. There are realistically only two on the market anyway. The Leopard, which will take forever, given the backlog, or the Panther. They're still 'contemplating' what they want for medium tracked combat vehicles? You have a week to contemplate and then tell me so I can buy it. If you can't, pack your bags and I'll appoint someone else to your job. You don't know what you need for infantry anti-armor? Well figure it out within a week or I'll ask the British and US what they use and buy one of those.

Subs? There's only two in the running and everyone knows the Korean one is better for us and can be delivered faster. They're delaying in hopes of extracting more economic benefits by twisting their arms to try and get an auto factory here. 

12 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

You know buying major military systems isn’t like picking up groceries at the store. These are some of the biggest, most expensive and most complex purchases anyone can make. 

There is no time for this bullshit. Do sole-source contracts immediately.

[CdnFox]

17 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

HOLY DEFENCE SPENDING BATMAN!

Make that FIVE major spending announcements

Why not TEN major annoucements?!   TWENTY even?!!?!

Announcements are easy.  Where's the gear?  When are our new fighters or subs or aa systems or drones showing up?  I hear we''ve already got the trees... 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

So here's what you do. You call in the army CoS and say "Tell me what you want this week and I'll order it through a sole source contract.

To be clear what carney did was higher one of his Banker Buddies an annual salary of a million dollars a year plus benefits and perks such as travel allowance etc claiming that this would allow for extremely fast and efficient purchases of new equipment

So we had no problem quickly adding guy who's supposed to get something done for massive amounts of money but nothing's actually been done.

And this is becoming the norm. He absolutely set up a new entire bureaucracy and hired expensive people to get major projects done and not a single major project has been done that wasn't on the books already. He's paid millions to hire people to expedite the purchase of new military equipment but no military equipment has been purchased (nice trees tho)

He's traveled all around the world to build trade and launch trade announcements and yet we actually had a bigger trade deficit than normal in 2025

What the hell does it take for people to wake up?

[BeaverFever]

And the hits keep on coming!

$32 million for our space surveillance program, a unique capability we provide to NATO and Five Eyes. But that $400k for a handful of trees on military bases is somehow still a scandal!

 

Defence Investment Agency announces new contract for Surveillance of Space 2 project 

From: Defence Investment Agency

News release

March 18, 2026 - Richmond, British Columbia           

The world is changing rapidly. The international rules‑based order is under strain, and technological change is expanding the fields of conflict, including into space. That’s why the Government of Canada, through the Defence Industrial Strategy, is focusing on rebuilding, rearming and reinvesting in the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) to meet these emerging challenges.

Today, the Honourable Stephen Fuhr, Secretary of State (Defence Procurement), announced that the Defence Investment Agency has awarded a $32‑million contract to MDA Space of Richmond, British Columbia, to deliver ground-based optical capability for the Surveillance of Space 2 project. The contract is expected to create or support close to 80 jobs annually and contribute approximately $9 million to Canada’s gross domestic product annually over the next six years.

Through this contract, by 2028, MDA Space will establish three remotely operated telescope sites in Alberta, Manitoba and New Brunswick. These telescopes will provide persistent, reliable space surveillance from the ground, and are an important component of Canada’s broader space‑surveillance architecture.

Space-based assets are critical to all Canadians. From banking to communications, navigation, agriculture and weather monitoring, we rely on secure, protected space-based capabilities every day.

This investment demonstrates how the Defence Investment Agency is advancing Canada’s Defence Industrial Strategy by leveraging Canadian innovation and expertise to deliver advanced capabilities for the CAF, while strengthening the broader defence industrial ecosystem.

The procurement was streamlined through a well‑designed competitive process that leveraged existing internal approval authorities, enabling the project to advance more quickly than under a traditional procurement approach.

Canadian innovation and expertise in space-related infrastructure are essential in defending and protecting Canadian space capabilities, while providing vital data to our allies through shared networks. This infrastructure represents a significant contribution to Canada’s partnership in the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) and reinforces Canada’s role as a founding member of Multinational Force – Operation Olympic Defender, a coalition of like-minded nations committed to space domain awareness and protect-and-defend mission sets.

Canada’s space sector continues to experience strong growth, contributing an estimated $3.4 billion to Canada’s GDP in 2023. The value of the global space economy is projected to reach approximately $2 trillion by 2040. Investing in sovereign capabilities in this domain will ensure that Canadian businesses are well positioned to benefit from this growth for decades to come.

As part of a long‑term, whole‑of‑government approach to security and economic resilience, Canada is strengthening its defence industrial base through its first-ever Defence Industrial Strategy. By aligning long‑term defence investments with Canadian industrial capability, the Strategy supports domestic supply chains, creates good‑paying jobs and will deliver equipment to the CAF faster.

The Defence Investment Agency is modernizing defence procurement by streamlining decisions, centralizing expertise and accelerating the delivery of mission-critical equipment.

Together, the Defence Investment Agency and the Defence Industrial Strategy are making generational investments in Canada’s defence ecosystem, transforming how Canada equips its military, strengthening  our defence industrial base, and ensuring the CAF has the equipment it needs to keep Canada safe and sovereign.

 

https://www.canada.ca/en/defence-investment-agency/news/2026/03/defence-investment-agency-announces-new-contract-for-surveillance-of-space-2-project.html

[User]

8 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

And the hits keep on coming!

Have you figured out if you are meeting your NATO spending obligations yet?

 

[BeaverFever]

4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

So here's what you do. You call in the army CoS and say "Tell me what you want this week and I'll order it through a sole source contract.

LMAO it doesn’t work like that anywhere in the world. You can’t spend billions of dollars on something soldiers lives rely on harms just like you are picking up a case of beer on the way home from work. The military needs to have a doctrine a defined capability set a thorough understanding of how it will be used by Canadian Forces given the other equipment we have.
 

Like we don’t just want tracked armoured vehicles because other armies have them and we want them to think we are cool. We want them because we think we have a  new doctrine that has a gap tracked armour can best fill and now they have to understand what’s available on the market, what’s in development, will they buy a proven platform that could become obsolete sooner or a new generation platform in development that could have cost and delivery overruns and underperform?  Keeping in mind that nothing perfectly meets our needs,  they have to consider what could best be optimized for our needs given the tradeoffs. And then you have to look at the requirements and costs of maintenance and sustainment. This all requires a lot of consideration and analysis. You massively oversimplify the situation.

 

4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Subs? There's only two in the running and everyone knows the Korean one is better for us and can be delivered faster. They're delaying in hopes of extracting more economic benefits by twisting their arms to try and get an auto factory here. 

Not accurate   In fact muxh is the opposite. The reason that there are only 2 in the running NOW is because Carney fast-tracked the program and the others were eliminated without deep negotiation. And the final bids from each have been submitted and locked in, there’s no more negotiation happening  Thats massively fast  And a contract is expected to be awarded this year  That is massively fast. Especially for a project this size  

 It’s also not objectively true that the Korean sub is “better”  The German/Norwegian sub is stealthier and more technologically advanced, is non-magnetic (relevant to stealth and mines), has baked-in NATO compatibility and will be used by at least 2 other NATO allies  That said the Korean sub is not without its own advantages  But again you oversimplify  

5 hours ago, I am Groot said:

There is no time for this bullshit. Do sole-source contracts immediately.

To whom? For what?  Most of the delay is figuring out WHAT you should buy not who to buy it from

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Why not TEN major annoucements?!   TWENTY even?!!?!

Announcements are easy.  Where's the gear?  When are our new fighters or subs or aa systems or drones showing up?  I hear we''ve already got the trees... 

Procurement announcements are not easy these are costs that are booked and orders that are placed. Your politically motivated criticism attempt to exploit the fact that projects and deals happen in stages, whether it’s a military spend or a trade deals like critical minerals, you basically complain that all stages don’t happen at once 

1) STRATEGY ANNOUNCED:  “That just an empty promise they’ll never follow through”

2) SIGNED MOU SIGNED WITH GOVERNMENTS/ COMPANIES ANNOUNCED: “It’s a non-binding agreement, more empty promises nothing is going to happen!”

3)BINDING CONTRACT SIGNED AND ANNOUNCED:  “I don’t see anyone exchanging bags of money or workers working on the project during that press conference so SOMEHOW this is nothing!”

4) WORKERS WORKING INVESTORS INVESTING AND FUNDING BEING SPENT:   “There’s no press conference or announcement so nothing must be happening I told you nothing would happening!

5) PROJECT IS FINISHED AND DELIVERED: “Big deal that was all previously announced they’re not doing anything new” OR “I don’t recall government having anything to do with this”

1 hour ago, User said:

Have you figured out if you are meeting your NATO spending obligations yet?

 

As I said you will know when the FUNis over in a couple of weeks 

[User]

2 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

As I said you will know when the FUNis over in a couple of weeks 

You just gonna ignore this? Figures...
 

 

[BeaverFever]

7 hours ago, ironstone said:

Canada(Carney) is donating armored vehicles to Ukraine.

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/news/2026/03/minister-mcguinty-highlights-armoured-vehicles-donation-to-ukraine-visits-roshel-facility-in-brampton.html

Have to protect those Brookfield assets in Ukraine right?

You are insane   Your ridiculous claim fails every test of logic

[BeaverFever]

8 minutes ago, User said:

You just gonna ignore this? Figures...
 

 

I have addressed that several times. You just going to ignore my response?

TO REPEAT:

1) 14,500 trees is not 2 billion trees

2) 14,500  trees over 5 years is a tiny number of trees and a tiny cost. . A mid sized city might do 10,000 trees in a single year. .

3)  14,500 trees over 5 years is a normal number of trees for one of the largest landowners in Canada to plant on the land in manages coast to coast.

How many times you gonna make me repeat myself?

Edited March 18 by BeaverFever

[User]

1 minute ago, BeaverFever said:

I have addressed that several times. You just going to ignore my response?

TO REPEAT:

1) 14,500 trees is not 2 billion trees

2) 14,500  over 5 years is a tiny number of trees and a tiny cost. . A mid sized city might do 10,000 trees in a single year. .

3) therefore 14,500 trees over 5 years is a normal number of trees for one of the largest landowners in Canada to plant on the land in manages coast to coast.

How many times you gonna make me repeat myself?

Typical pathetic Beaver response. You accused me of only using the headline. I show you that I, in fact, quoted from the article. 

Instead of responding to that and admitting you were wrong, you change the subject. 

Also, you tried to claim that these trees were just normal landscaping and not part of the 2 billion trees, when it was, I showed you it was, so instead you argue some irrelevant point that 14,500 trees is not 2 billion. 

Once again your prove how pathetically dishonest you are willing to be to avoid admitting you were wrong. 

All that is left now is for you to run away and then bring this up months later like you won the argument and frame it dishonestly again. 

[ironstone]

26 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

You are insane   Your ridiculous claim fails every test of logic

Typed in a search engine "brookfield asset management assets in ukraine under threat from russia"

The result: 

Search Assist

Brookfield Asset Management, like many investors, faces significant risks in Ukraine due to the ongoing conflict with Russia, which has severely impacted the country's economy and investment climate. 

They are involved with the nuclear reactors in Ukraine as well.

Search Assist

Yes, Brookfield Asset Management is involved in a strategic partnership with Westinghouse Electric Company, which supplies nuclear fuel to Ukraine's reactors. 

Westinghouse, which Carney has shares in. From a purely financial point of view, I understand why Carney wouldn't want any of these assets to fall under Russian control.

Carney also has a big stake in the rebuilding of Ukraine whenever that may occur. And when more Ukrainian territory is lost to Russia, that will cost Carney future earnings.

[Army Guy]

8 hours ago, John Stone said:

The road to hell is paved with good intentions? 

 World opinion quickly came to the conclusion that Trump fk'd up royally. OMG - what a maroon. 

That said, it might be time for the U.S. to receive global support in getting Hormuz opened.

Trump needs to sit in the corner and lick his nutz. Silence is  golden but duct tape is silver. 

Should be said that opening the Strait does not mean hostilities will end - likely the contrary. 

Additionally, the Persian Gulf is far more that simply the Strait of Hormuz.  

 

 

Yes it is and there is a lot of pavement in the world today...All that is needed for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing....that's Canada right now...

So you were ok with the status quo, being good with Iranian government slaughtering their citizens, spreading terrorism around the region, and killing thousands...and now holding the world hostage as they have a hissy fit over being forced to comply ......and this is the country you think should have a nuke....Not sure why I'm asking even Carney can not make up his mind who's side he is on...and his government certainly does not know either...

If we are not going to assist in opening the strait then we forfeit the right to complain about how high the fuel prices get... No we will sit back on our asses and wait until someone else does it....

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

To be clear what carney did was higher one of his Banker Buddies

To be clear all personal appointments to government are people known and trusted by the PM or Minister make the appointment they don’t put a want ad in the local PennySaver. Stephen Harper’s roster of appointees was full of Conservative party fundraisers and failed election candidates. The only difference between Carney and his predecessors is that Carney chose people with proven and extensive private sector management experience and extensive industry contacts rather than party hacks. 

 

 

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

nothing's actually been done.

Categorically false  

 

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

not a single major project has been done that wasn't on the books already. He's paid millions to hire people to expedite the purchase of new military equipment but no military equipment has been purchased

Also false 

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

He's traveled all around the world to build trade and launch trade announcements and yet we actually had a bigger trade deficit than normal in 2025

Are you clueless enough to believe that you sign a trade deal with a country on a Monday and your trade increases on a Tuesday?  Most trade is conducted by BUSINESSES NOT GOVERNMENT  Governments primarily create the trade environment but businesses have to find customers and suppliers and make their own deals  

Let’s be clear that the overall trade deficit increased in 2025 because Trump tariffs decreased exports to US. Let’s also be clear that Non-US trade has actually increased. 

[BeaverFever]

27 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Typed in a search engine "brookfield asset management assets in ukraine under threat from russia"

The result: 

Search Assist

Brookfield Asset Management, like many investors, faces significant risks in Ukraine due to the ongoing conflict with Russia, which has severely impacted the country's economy and investment climate. 

They are involved with the nuclear reactors in Ukraine as well.

Search Assist

Yes, Brookfield Asset Management is involved in a strategic partnership with Westinghouse Electric Company, which supplies nuclear fuel to Ukraine's reactors. 

Westinghouse, which Carney has shares in. From a purely financial point of view, I understand why Carney wouldn't want any of these assets to fall under Russian control.

Carney also has a big stake in the rebuilding of Ukraine whenever that may occur. And when more Ukrainian territory is lost to Russia, that will cost Carney future earnings.

Dude every western ally including Trump is supporting Ukraine and Canada has been supporting Ukraine since 2014 with the full support of the conservative government 

So you’re a nutjob to suggest that somehow Carney is doing something inappropriate or different and you’re a nutjob for suggesting just because he had a real job before he beca PM every single policy and decision he makes is motivated by a desire to reward his former employer.  You have zero evidence for either 

 

And this is an especially hilarious act of hypocrisy on your part considering how many BILLIONS your hero trump is ACTIVELY raking in from a number different sketchy schemes he has running with mysterious anonymous partners. Which you don’t seem bothered by at all. 

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

LMAO it doesn’t work like that anywhere in the world. You can’t spend billions of dollars on something soldiers lives rely on harms just like you are picking up a case of beer on the way home from work. The military needs to have a doctrine a defined capability set a thorough understanding of how it will be used by Canadian Forces given the other equipment we have.
 

Like we don’t just want tracked armoured vehicles because other armies have them and we want them to think we are cool. We want them because we think we have a  new doctrine that has a gap tracked armour can best fill and now they have to understand what’s available on the market, what’s in development, will they buy a proven platform that could become obsolete sooner or a new generation platform in development that could have cost and delivery overruns and underperform?  Keeping in mind that nothing perfectly meets our needs,  they have to consider what could best be optimized for our needs given the tradeoffs. And then you have to look at the requirements and costs of maintenance and sustainment. This all requires a lot of consideration and analysis. You massively oversimplify the situation.

 

Not accurate   In fact muxh is the opposite. The reason that there are only 2 in the running NOW is because Carney fast-tracked the program and the others were eliminated without deep negotiation. And the final bids from each have been submitted and locked in, there’s no more negotiation happening  Thats massively fast  And a contract is expected to be awarded this year  That is massively fast. Especially for a project this size  

 It’s also not objectively true that the Korean sub is “better”  The German/Norwegian sub is stealthier and more technologically advanced, is non-magnetic (relevant to stealth and mines), has baked-in NATO compatibility and will be used by at least 2 other NATO allies  That said the Korean sub is not without its own advantages  But again you oversimplify  

To whom? For what?  Most of the delay is figuring out WHAT you should buy not who to buy it from

The military already has defined all the capabilities, remember this equipment is replacing our old and obsolete equipment...very few are new capabilities....the Military still runs and operates on doctrine for high intensity warfare....all thats change is the equipment is updated....

We ran a complete competition on track IFV years ago, the only thing that has changed is there is a few new players in the market and some products have been updated...the need is still there...Doctrine remains the same, and we have what we have in inventory right now is because it was chosen by politicians...not because it was cool or the military wanted a specific item (which happens rarely) Government needs and the military need rarely align, and government needs always win...I could give dozens of examples of equipment that was purchased by government that turned out to be crap, LSVW, MLVW, TAPV, LAV III, as just a few...but also lets add to that all the stuff we kept well past they due date....9MM pistols, F-18's, Frigates, leopard tanks, the list goes on and on, only because we were to cheap to buy new stuff...Most if not all of the equipment we buy is already been on the market for years...and the so has everything you need to know about sustainment and maintenance for a wide variety of countries that would be willing to share that info....

There are a few examples of procurement moving at light speed...when needed, C-17 transport aircraft, Leopard IIA4M /6M purchase or lease, G wagons, M777 purchase so the blue print is there...and if ever there was a case it would be now, our equipment is well past it's due date of it numbers are way to low...There is no reason, that if the government wanted to it could lite a fire under DND ass, and there could be contracts signed in the near term...As much of the research has already been done by Canada or by other closer allies...The sub program is an example of how fast we can go....that and the current subs being retired soon is also a huge motivator... 

In our case we know what we need , almost everything....and in a good majority of the cases we have dozens of allies that already operate this equipment, with many being artic nations as we are....we could cut the red tape and use this info to guide us into making sound decisions....sounds a lot better than letting politicians pick equipment out due to kick backs 

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1 hour ago, User said:

Typical pathetic Beaver response. You accused me of only using the headline. I show you that I, in fact, quoted from the article. 

Instead of responding to that and admitting you were wrong, you change the subject. 

Also, you tried to claim that these trees were just normal landscaping and not part of the 2 billion trees, when it was, I showed you it was, so instead you argue some irrelevant point that 14,500 trees is not 2 billion. 

Once again your prove how pathetically dishonest you are willing to be to avoid admitting you were wrong. 

All that is left now is for you to run away and then bring this up months later like you won the argument and frame it dishonestly again. 

I cited all the facts in that article BEFORE you posted that link. The original baseless accusation by you and CdnFox was that the entire 2 billion trees program was rolled into defence budget by Carney wasn’t the result of that article and in fact is directly disproven by it. 
 

FROM THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS ARGUMENT ON BOTH THREADS I have said repeatedly that the military is only planting 14,500 trees as a normal part of its housing program and that is supported by the article. 
 

Your article also confirms what I already said multiple times, which is that 2 Bn tree program is simply including the trees planted by other federal programs towards in its 2bn tree goal. 

You have gone so far down the rabbit hole you can’t even clearly articulate what you think the impropriety is.