Canada Day 2023 is May Day

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Good points all.  A time for courage indeed.  

in His ministry together, brother

no man nor office between us

just to find another true believer on the road to Calvary

feel good, do good, good things happen

miraculous things

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, Nefarious Banana said:

 

Liberal response: They should have the right to have a cigarette, if they want to...

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, SNOWFLAKE said:

I know you are just being obtuse, but the look is not good on you.

The entire OP is a dogwhistle. 

I see racists as monsters. 

I don't see it that way, but I do agree that letting people get away with crime and get out of jail just by virtue of the fact they are a visible minority, is both stupid and racist.

As a non-racist Canadian I expect courts to follow the letter of the law, but also that judges look at each person as an individual, and are free to make decisions on a case-by-case basis before determining a person's sentence or early release.

Determining the sentence by their race is racism, pure and simple. Not only is it dumb, since it would allow foul perpetrators to get off lightly and then can do it again but is like imposing a mandatory sentencing condition upon the court which the judge must obey regardless of their own opinion. 

So in addition to the blatantly racist logic of your views, mandatory sentencing takes power away from judges and puts it into the hands of government officials, and it doesn't even matter on the particulars. Consequently the "non-visible" person would do more jail time, because of his skin.

[OftenWrong]

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

The US Supreme Court seems to be upholding free speech for private businesses.  Canada is probably past the point of no return.

Again the situation is incomprehensible, in that Canada refuses to take its cues from our powerful neighbours, the UK and USA as we have done in the past. Instead we are headed on a self-destructive path as a country. 

I blame our PM, and believe it's intentional.

A post-national state has no history, no culture. There must be nothing to inspire national pride.

Edited July 1, 2023 by OftenWrong
Edit design ;)

[SNOWFLAKE]

37 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

I don't see it that way

But what a fool believes he sees
No wise man has the power to reason away
What seems to be
Is always better than nothing
(Doobie Brothers)

[OftenWrong]

51 minutes ago, SNOWFLAKE said:

But what a fool believes he sees
No wise man has the power to reason away
What seems to be
Is always better than nothing
(Doobie Brothers)

Calling me a fool is all you have.

[OftenWrong]

Anyway was a cool song and I saw them live once when I was a teenager. They played our highschool, was around 1985 or so.

You probably weren't even born yet.

[antiwoke]

5 hours ago, SNOWFLAKE said:

 

 I also don't wake up in the morning looking to blame this group or that group for my own failures. 

 

Tell that to the family of PC Hong and Dante Andreatta and the victims of 400 shootings per year in GTA. Hey, it's not your family so what do you care? By the way I'm of Indian decent from Africa, not white!

I just believe in fair justice.

9 police dying doesn't bother you.

Teenagers getting shot and killed doesn't bother you.

Cities turning into homeless encampments doesn't bother you.

It's funny to me to see white woke Canadian people not recognize oppression and bad government. Canada has overtly racist practice against whites and whites cheer! Police die and white Canadians call the police racist. You love Jagmeet Singh who openly says racist white Canadians are the biggest threat to Canada and whites vote for him!Your cities and schools crumble and you cheer for more destruction! 

You sound like a very good person.

Doesn't happen to you, so why care?

Edited July 1, 2023 by antiwoke

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

Again the situation is incomprehensible, in that Canada refuses to take its cues from our powerful neighbours, the UK and USA as we have done in the past. Instead we are headed on a self-destructive path as a country. 

I blame our PM, and believe it's intentional.

A post-national state has no history, no culture. There must be nothing to inspire national pride.

As though he were Castro’s son — I mean successor.

[herbie]

OMG see a post by a username like that and expect something other than a rant they're not racist yet breaks everything into race by race statements and claims we're all "anti-white"?

Yet another fascist malcontent lamenting the imagined days of lost 'greatness' and racial purity who'll undoubtedly deny that either is a dictionary definition of fascist belief, they're merely conservative.

On Canada Day yet, no sense of shame at all. Normal conservatives do, or they wouldn't be conservative.

If even is Canadian he'd be aware no one here ever strove for greatness, we strive to maintain just being the best.

[OftenWrong]

35 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

As though he were Castro’s son — I mean successor.

Trudeau Senior (Pierre) was noted for his belief in using dictatorship to rule a people, and for giving ordinary Canadians the finger while on tour through Canada's small towns.

I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

[antiwoke]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

OMG see a post by a username like that and expect something other than a rant they're not racist yet breaks everything into race by race statements and claims we're all "anti-white"?

Yet another fascist malcontent lamenting the imagined days of lost 'greatness' and racial purity who'll undoubtedly deny that either is a dictionary definition of fascist belief, they're merely conservative.

 

You invention stuffs I never said. Racial purity? Where did you read that? You are fake news! My point is public safety and equality in the laws . You are the fascist! Virtue signalling is so glorious.

[cougar]

11 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Canadians are asleep. Worse, they are on dope. The land of the lotus eaters.

What is your recommendation?  A conservative government?

Nothing will ever change for you and me.

The only change coming is the one the forest fires, floods and hurricanes will bring about to manage what the politicians never had the brains or the guts to manage.

[antiwoke]

All these attacks for my post? You make my point. Canada has had 9 police killed! That's a problem.

Canada cities are becoming tent cities.

Kids are killed.

Innocent citizens killed.

People burned alive on public transport.

No one will say anything except whites are racist!

The country is in trouble and it's the best country in the world....for now.

Till the woke desoy it

 

 

Edited July 2, 2023 by antiwoke

[OftenWrong]

8 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. So China is trying to "destroy Canada" and Trudeau is complicit?  Wow that's sure going to be a bombshell at the inquiry... 

2. But this means that Trudeau isn't actually woke.... He just pretends to be, to match the Chinese propaganda (which Canadians presumably don't agree with) and make them angrier

China already got caught donating several hundred-thousand to the Trudeau election campaign, which they quietly returned but only once they were outed.

2. Trudeau is a racist towards blacks (numerous blackface wearing incidents from his youth to adulthood) and has demonstrated a disparaging view towards the women around him.

He is not truly woke, in that he doesn't really care (for example his abuse of the natives) but he uses it to further his political image.

[herbie]

1 hour ago, cougar said:

The only change coming is the one the forest fires, floods and hurricanes will bring about to manage what the politicians never had the brains or the guts to manage.

But, but we can solve all that electing a gov't that pretends it doesn't exist!
Remember these guys Lord and idol suggesting if they'd only stop reporting the number of Covid deaths the problem would disappear? Or their insistence that scrapping the Carbon Tax is their Climate Policy.

I mean really, stubbornly insisting for years that the leader of a minority gov't is a dictator sort of defines their level of intelligence.

Edited July 2, 2023 by herbie

[SNOWFLAKE]

4 hours ago, antiwoke said:

Tell that to the family of PC Hong and Dante Andreatta and the victims of 400 shootings per year in GTA. Hey, it's not your family so what do you care? By the way I'm of Indian decent from Africa, not white!

I just believe in fair justice.

9 police dying doesn't bother you.

Teenagers getting shot and killed doesn't bother you.

Cities turning into homeless encampments doesn't bother you.

It's funny to me to see white woke Canadian people not recognize oppression and bad government. Canada has overtly racist practice against whites and whites cheer! Police die and white Canadians call the police racist. You love Jagmeet Singh who openly says racist white Canadians are the biggest threat to Canada and whites vote for him!Your cities and schools crumble and you cheer for more destruction! 

You sound like a very good person.

Doesn't happen to you, so why care?

IF black people freak you out, that is on you. 

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

1. China already got caught donating several hundred-thousand to the Trudeau election campaign, which they quietly returned but only once they were outed.

2. Trudeau is a racist towards blacks (numerous blackface wearing incidents from his youth to adulthood) and has demonstrated a disparaging view towards the women around him.

 

1. Are you talking about the Trudeau Foundation?  Please don't make me correct you on such things.  I don't like having to spend time doing that.

2. But... China is behind it?? ?

[OftenWrong]

52 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Are you talking about the Trudeau Foundation?  Please don't make me correct you on such things.  I don't like having to spend time doing that.

2. But... China is behind it?? ?

Here are the more detailed allegations:

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/frontburner/the-pierre-elliott-trudeau-foundation-controversy-explained-transcript-1.6812774

AYME POISSON: And I just will say for clarity, I know this donation was initially going to be 200 K to the foundation, but then they ended up coming through with 140 K, and that the money was actually part of a much larger donation, right, to to some other places too.

CATHERINE CULLEN: It was supposed to be in total $1,000,000. So a big chunk of it to the Trudeau Foundation, as you said, another big chunk of it to the Universite du Montreal, where apparently at Trudeau used to teach. Also, we should say that according to some of their reporting, we're now seeing the university didn't get all of that money either. And it too, is asking some questions about what's up here.

JAYME POISSON: All right. So that is what happened way back in 2016. I know there's been some pretty scathing criticisms recently about why the board of the Trudeau Foundation at the time would have ever accepted this donation, considering how it was embroiled in the cash for access scandal, considering that the opposition was criticizing it in the House of Commons. But things do die down. They obviously did accept it and things do die down. And then the controversy, I guess it's fair to say it gets a second life after the Globe and Mail and Global News start breaking all these stories that detail an alleged influence campaign mounted by the Chinese government to influence the 2019 and 2021 elections. A big allegation here is that the Chinese government wanted a minority Liberal government in 2021 and to see some conservative candidates defeated. You and I have talked about this on the podcast before, and we've also talked about how there's been reporting that this influence campaign began well before the 2019 elections. So there is this renewed scrutiny of the $140,000 donation to the Trudeau Foundation, and the Globe starts linking the donation to the wider alleged Chinese government influence campaign and just flesh that out for me a little bit more. How do they do that?

CATHERINE CULLEN: It gets worse because according to this reporting in The Globe and Mail, and you referenced it before, Jayme, the Globe and Global have done all this work on Chinese interference in the globe, in particular, speaking to a national security source who they have not named, someone who they say is at risk of prosecution for sharing some of this information publicly. The source tells the Globe and Mail that the Canadian Security Intelligence Service CSIS captured a conversation in 2014 between an unnamed commercial attache at one of China's consulates in Canada and that billionaire. Now, the source says that the diplomat tells Zhang to donate the million dollars to the Trudeau Foundation and the university and that the Chinese government is going to reimburse him for the entire amount. Of course, as we said, all of this is happening under this backdrop that we understand through reporting in the Globe and the Globe and Mail that China wants to see the liberals in power because they think they'll be less tough on Beijing.

 

[I am Groot]

19 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Black History Month 

 

As-salamu alaykum

There's barely enough black history in Canada to justify twenty minutes, never mind a month.

[I am Groot]

19 hours ago, SNOWFLAKE said:

Did you miss this line:

The government plan to protect people? Less jail for black and indigenous people because of racial equity. Look at bill c5. Look at gladue and Morris sentencing.

The results are more crime and less public safety. You get less jail time simply for being black.

Perhaps you can tell us what you take issue with in the above-quoted piece. It's demonstrably true. Government policy does indeed tell judges to take the accused's membership in a group that has historically suffered racism for granted in sentencing, and judges have interpreted this as a requirement for a lesser sentence in most cases.

19 hours ago, SNOWFLAKE said:

I see racists as monsters. 

People who see other people as monsters because of political/ideological reasons tend to become monsters. After all, if someone is a 'monster', they deserve no consideration. And any act of repression or violence is justified. Those who see others as monsters do monstrous things and do them while feeling good about themselves doing it.

[I am Groot]

11 hours ago, herbie said:

But, but we can solve all that electing a gov't that pretends it doesn't exist!
Remember these guys Lord and idol suggesting if they'd only stop reporting the number of Covid deaths the problem would disappear? Or their insistence that scrapping the Carbon Tax is their Climate Policy.

So it's your belief that spending tens of billions of dollars doing something that accomplishes absolutely nothing is better than just doing nothing? Because it seems to me that in the latter case, we're at least ahead by tens of billions of dollars.

 

Edited July 2, 2023 by I am Groot

[SNOWFLAKE]

27 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

After all, if someone is a 'monster', they deserve no consideration. And any act of repression or violence is justified.

Hence the treatment of aboriginals in Canada and much larger and longer jail sentences of blacks in the U.S.

I know you will argue for the sake or arguing, but stats have long proved that minorities are treated more harshly than the white population. I am white myself. So it's not like I am making excuses because I am a minority. 

Racists are monsters in terms of their attitude, and suggesting that I suggested repression or violence is a disingenuous strawman argument. If you can't debate on the substance and have to "put words in my mouth" then you knock yourself out. I am not about to go tit for tat with someone who uses such tactics.

 

[Zeitgeist]

51 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

There's barely enough black history in Canada to justify twenty minutes, never mind a month.

My understanding is that until the late 1970’s, Canada’s black population was in the tens of thousands, slavery was banned in Canada from its start and it was banned in Ontario from its start.  You couldn’t bring slaves into Upper Canada.  I don’t know about the other provinces. There were some remaining slaves in parts of the territory known today as Canada early on, but they were well under a 1000, perhaps under 100?  It was short-lived and a remnant of the British Empire in early colonial Canada. Slavery was banned in the empire in 1832. It’s also important to remember that blacks also kept blacks as slaves and traded slaves in parts of Africa.

There was some segregation in our schools and society early on   However, Ontario was called New Canaan in the Underground Railroad   It was the destination of freedom for slaves fleeing slavery in the US   The Northwest Coast Indigenous did keep slaves for thousands of years   It tapered off a couple of hundred years ago.

 

Edited July 2, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[Zeitgeist]

10 minutes ago, SNOWFLAKE said:

Hence the treatment of aboriginals in Canada and much larger and longer jail sentences of blacks in the U.S.

I know you will argue for the sake or arguing, but stats have long proved that minorities are treated more harshly than the white population. I am white myself. So it's not like I am making excuses because I am a minority. 

Racists are monsters in terms of their attitude, and suggesting that I suggested repression or violence is a disingenuous strawman argument. If you can't debate on the substance and have to "put words in my mouth" then you knock yourself out. I am not about to go tit for tat with someone who uses such tactics.

 

The problem with your position is that it fails to acknowledge your own biases and it assumes a high level of bias in the individuals that you judge as racist.  The reality is that everyone has some level of unconscious and in some cases conscious bias.  It’s actually part of our biology.  Our survival instinct makes us more comfortable with creatures who look, sound, and act as we do.  Bias is somewhat inevitable.  It’s how we deal with it that counts.

That’s why we must have fair, merit-based policies.  Race should never enter into the conversation unless one can cite the ways that he or she has been excluded because of it.  No doubt whiteness was an advantage for a long time, but that was also when there were much fewer visible minorities.  Now that there are more, and those people have grown into adults and joined the workforce, the workforce has changed, education levels and opportunities for minorities have increased, and equality is vastly improved.  Our policies are generally fair.

Affirmative action probably served a good purpose for a while.  It’s debatable.  Now, however, we do see many examples of anti-white racism, such as racialized-only job postings.  Discrimination is discrimination.  You can’t say it’s okay for some but not others.  

Edited July 2, 2023 by Zeitgeist