SCOTUS Ends Affirmative Action

[impartialobserver]

20 minutes ago, reason10 said:

Are you suggesting the ONLY way a university can get its numbers up is to violate the United States Constitution?

No but to base your admissions solely on the highest academic standards is going to lead to lower enrollment, less applicants, and such. As a result, less grant funding and less athletic revenues. These consequences get the admins fired and you can't be so naive as to think that they do not want to keep their jobs?

[reason10]

Just now, impartialobserver said:

No but to base your admissions solely on the highest academic standards is going to lead to lower enrollment, less applicants, and such. As a result, less grant funding and less athletic revenues. These consequences get the admins fired and you can't be so naive as to think that they do not want to keep their jobs?

How do you come up with that? Are you suggesting colleges cannot attract students? A college admission is not necessarily based on a SINGLE NUMBER grade, but rather the HIGHEST GRADES to earn entry.

This ruling means that RACE will not be a factor in doing that. It means ONLY SAT SCORES will matter.

Are you suggesting there are some RACES who are inferior and too stupid to be able to compete, grade wise? We know that is Biden's view.

[impartialobserver]

7 minutes ago, reason10 said:

How do you come up with that? Are you suggesting colleges cannot attract students? A college admission is not necessarily based on a SINGLE NUMBER grade, but rather the HIGHEST GRADES to earn entry.

This ruling means that RACE will not be a factor in doing that. It means ONLY SAT SCORES will matter.

Are you suggesting there are some RACES who are inferior and too stupid to be able to compete, grade wise? We know that is Biden's view.

How? Oh... because I worked in the accounting dept at a major university. Part of why it grew... relaxed academic standards. Yes, they will take race off the list of considered factors but it will continue to be a factor... just not explicitly. 

Its really hard to attract students when your depts downsize due to lack of funding.. can you seriously dispute this? Enrollment numbers matter. Declining enrollment results in people losing jobs, your athletics getting demoted from Division 1 to a lower rung, and then later on.. you have empty buildings. 

[reason10]

How? Oh... because I worked in the accounting dept at a major university. Part of why it grew... relaxed academic standards. Yes, they will take race off the list of considered factors but it will continue to be a factor... just not explicitly. 

So you think that race and relaxing academic standards go hand in hand? Does that mean you believe blacks are inferior, stupid and cannot get into college without government DISCRIMINATION?

Overturning Affirmative Action has NOTHING to do with relaxing or toughening academic standards. It  just says that can't ONLY apply to blacks. And it can't be used to discriminate against whites or Asians.

Its really hard to attract students when your depts downsize due to lack of funding.. can you seriously dispute this? Enrollment numbers matter. Declining enrollment results in people losing jobs, your athletics getting demoted from Division 1 to a lower rung, and then later on.. you have empty buildings. 

When you have professors who make their senior students teach the classes while they loll around the campus,(and this is almost at EVERY college in America) such a place DESERVES to run out of money.

If you're worried about standards being the only thing propping colleges up, imagine the trouble they would be in without government subsidized STUDENT LOANS. What if there WEREN'T any of this welfare to the rich and colleges had to ACTUALLY based their tuition on what an average person could afford?

 

[Hodad]

15 hours ago, Nationalist said:

 

Now...why don't you identify institutional racism for me?

This is a really weird question. Do you not know what it means? It's not a newly invented term or anything and it's not hard to find a definition. Nor is it hard to find examples. 

Blacks are not the only demographic affected by systemic racism, but they are the most affected. Generation after generation, Black people were denied full and fair participation in this society--much of that time legally. It's a stain that permeates every facet of American life. And though there are still plenty of hardcore racists today, the more pernicious form of racism is that which remains structurally. 

There is massive history around poverty, the war on drugs, and Black incarceration and the effect it has had on Black families and communities. But to cite just one micro example, consider the differences in mandatory minimum sentencing for crack cocaine vs powdered cocaine. Powdered cocaine is more expensive, and was consumed by movie stars, stock brokers and car salesmen. Crack cocaine was cheaper and consumed by depressed poor people and distributed in poor urban neighborhoods. They are functionally the same, but if a person got caught smoking crack the state would imprison them FAR longer than someone snorting cocaine. Why? And regardless of why, what effect do you think this disparity caused? 

Honestly, there are books and books filled with these scenarios. You don't need me to or anyone else on this board to lay out a comprehensive history. That work is done. Just go read it.

If you're actually curious or interested, that is.

[robosmith]

8 hours ago, Nationalist said:

And common sense.

Which is INFERIOR to the ELITE SENSE of EXPERTS.

8 hours ago, Nationalist said:

He did, did he? Considering it was oriental Americans who brought this case to the SCOTUS, and considering that Orientals generally do best academically, I'm not sure I believe that.

SOME Asians "do the best academically." That suit was brought to serve the interests of those who are marginally best.

8 hours ago, Nationalist said:

So you can't say what it is. Huh. Just out of curiosity...what is a woman?

If you don't know, I can't help you. LMAO

8 hours ago, Nationalist said:

No thanks. 

And still nobody can define institutional racism.

You can't read a dictionary or encyclopedia?

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Institutional racism | Definition, Meaning, & Examples

Encyclopedia Britannica

https://www.britannica.com › ... › Sociology & Society

 

 

 

May 9, 2023 — institutional racism, the perpetuation of discrimination on the basis of “race” by political, economic, or legal institutions and systems.

 

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, reason10 said:

That is RACIST.

The modern term DIVERSITY is RACISM.

College admissions are NOT about climbing stairs. They are NOT about crossing a finish line. They are about SAT SCORES. They are about students who applied themselves, studied hard and got the best grades. And to stick an underachiever in their way based on race is NO DIFFERENT FROM JIM CROW LAWS.

So you don't understand the meaning of "analogy." LMAO

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Your country descended from Britain which created the slave trade industry. It was the same white men, came across the Atlantic and did their thing. But when the Brits chose to voluntarily eliminate slavery, America did not. They continued, because it was to their economic benefit to do so, and it probably benefited their trading partners as well that they could produce the cotton for such a low price.

Civil war was fought for several reasons, eliminating slavery was but one of them. And that was being pushed forward by the republicans, was it not?

Yes, the "Grand Old Party."

It is a black eye upon America that you need slaves to do your bidding, to keep your goods and services low. That's why today the liberals in USA still love their latino workers. Keeping them illegal, keeping their wages down. So I postulate- slavery and racism is part of the fabric of America that makes her tick.

When illegal immigrants are PAID (almost always), it is NOT slavery. They CHOSE to come here; the slaves WERE FORCED.

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

This is really quite true and thank you for putting it all so clearly.

No, it is a MISREPRENTATION, with PARTIAL truth.

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

while i agree with this ruling.. the opposing views show a distinct lack of boots-on-the-ground knowledge of the topic. Yes, you have opinions. Yes, you can listen to talk radio and read headlines. But.. just how many work in the accounting dept or financial aid dept at a given university? Very few. The reality is that for colleges to get their numbers up (which is what matters most).. they can't be overly selective in most cases. 

Harvard, one of the 2 schools involved in this case, has NO TROUBLE being "overly selective."

The impartiality of your observation is therefore suspect. ?

[herbie]

9 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Well that's an odd idea. Reminder.  Make sure your white sheet is clean for your next KKK meeting.

See what I meant about including /sarcasm in that other thread. Too damn thick in the head to figure it out themselves....

At any rate the Cornservative majority is making rapid progress in the March Backwards in the USA. Ruling that discrimination on the basis of religious beliefs is not discrimination. Ruling against student debt relief.
Now we just need to wait for them to agree with some Klansman bringing the case that 'serving dem black peeple's agin my religion' ...

[ironstone]

Try arguing with this man:

The court got it right on this as it relates to the 14th amendment. Equal treatment for all.

[Hodad]

4 hours ago, ironstone said:

Try arguing with this man:

The court got it right on this as it relates to the 14th amendment. Equal treatment for all.

Nah, his nephews and nieces are right about him.

[Nationalist]

9 hours ago, eyeball said:

Sure, we've had that for decades and decades. Ever since we pointed out that the vast majority of the wealth in the hands of the wealthiest 1% was not earned in a meritorious manner. In actual fact much of it was outright stolen.

True. What would you propose to do about that?

[Nationalist]

8 hours ago, Hodad said:

This is a really weird question. Do you not know what it means? It's not a newly invented term or anything and it's not hard to find a definition. Nor is it hard to find examples. 

Blacks are not the only demographic affected by systemic racism, but they are the most affected. Generation after generation, Black people were denied full and fair participation in this society--much of that time legally. It's a stain that permeates every facet of American life. And though there are still plenty of hardcore racists today, the more pernicious form of racism is that which remains structurally. 

There is massive history around poverty, the war on drugs, and Black incarceration and the effect it has had on Black families and communities. But to cite just one micro example, consider the differences in mandatory minimum sentencing for crack cocaine vs powdered cocaine. Powdered cocaine is more expensive, and was consumed by movie stars, stock brokers and car salesmen. Crack cocaine was cheaper and consumed by depressed poor people and distributed in poor urban neighborhoods. They are functionally the same, but if a person got caught smoking crack the state would imprison them FAR longer than someone snorting cocaine. Why? And regardless of why, what effect do you think this disparity caused? 

Honestly, there are books and books filled with these scenarios. You don't need me to or anyone else on this board to lay out a comprehensive history. That work is done. Just go read it.

If you're actually curious or interested, that is.

Do you even know what Crack is? It's free based coke. Richard prior burnt his ass hairs basing. I've done both and I can tell you, Crack is way more intense and way more addictive. That the street urchins shoveled that on their own is down right nasty.

The biggest problem the blacks have, is a lack of family unity. They are awash in a culture of welfare and single mothers. And ya know...it was the Democrats who did that. Which means the Democrats sowed the seeds for your systemic racism.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

True. What would you propose to do about that?

Tax the rich and kill them if they resist.

I mean don't get me wrong I think there's lots of far more constructive things we could do but I think we've screwed the pooch so much that we're simply running out of time.

I only see a lot of hard choices coming at us. So hard that I can even allow that the 1% might be our only hope in the end.

[Hodad]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Do you even know what Crack is? It's free based coke. Richard prior burnt his ass hairs basing. I've done both and I can tell you, Crack is way more intense and way more addictive. That the street urchins shoveled that on their own is down right nasty.

The biggest problem the blacks have, is a lack of family unity. They are awash in a culture of welfare and single mothers. And ya know...it was the Democrats who did that. Which means the Democrats sowed the seeds for your systemic racism.

Black men are disproportionally denied property, jobs, wealth respect and liberty, and now you'll complain that they struggling or absent?

And it is and always had been bullshit to claim that "welfare" is breaking up families. You're as eligible as the next guy. Has it ever tempted you to divorce? Ever even give it a thought? -- That's simply not how safety nets work.

[Nationalist]

16 hours ago, robosmith said:

Which is INFERIOR to the ELITE SENSE of EXPERTS.

SOME Asians "do the best academically." That suit was brought to serve the interests of those who are marginally best.

If you don't know, I can't help you. LMAO

You can't read a dictionary or encyclopedia?

 

Your elite have little to no sense and your definition of institutional racism proves it. It was these very elites who created affirmative action...

Which was racist.

6 hours ago, eyeball said:

Tax the rich and kill them if they resist.

Further comments are unnecessary at this point.

[Nationalist]

17 hours ago, herbie said:

See what I meant about including /sarcasm in that other thread. Too damn thick in the head to figure it out themselves....

At any rate the Cornservative majority is making rapid progress in the March Backwards in the USA. Ruling that discrimination on the basis of religious beliefs is not discrimination. Ruling against student debt relief.
Now we just need to wait for them to agree with some Klansman bringing the case that 'serving dem black peeple's agin my religion' ...

Sarcasm huh...

You wanna pay for other people's university...go right ahead.

But don't hang it around the necks of everyone.

[Nationalist]

6 hours ago, Hodad said:

Black men are disproportionally denied property, jobs, wealth respect and liberty, and now you'll complain that they struggling or absent?

And it is and always had been bullshit to claim that "welfare" is breaking up families. You're as eligible as the next guy. Has it ever tempted you to divorce? Ever even give it a thought? -- That's simply not how safety nets work.

Your gross oversimplification is typical of Libbies trying to run away from their own failures.

[reason10]

18 hours ago, robosmith said:

So you don't understand the meaning of "analogy." LMAO

I understand the meaning of RACISM, which you spew on this forum on a daily basis

[reason10]

7 hours ago, Hodad said:

 

You're as eligible as the next guy. Has it ever tempted you to divorce? Ever even give it a thought? -- That's simply not how safety nets work.

Black men are disproportionally denied property, jobs, wealth respect and liberty, and now you'll complain that they struggling or absent?

That is a LIE. In America, since the REPUBLICAN CIVIL RIGHTS ACT, it is ILLEGAL to deny a house, a job, wealth, etc based on race.

And it is and always had been bullshit to claim that "welfare" is breaking up families.

Welfare DID break up black families. They were deliberately targeted by these racists.

75 percent of all black children in America today live in single family homes, thanks to a government that paid a child to get pregnant and lose the father.

https://newsone.com/1195075/children-single-parents-u-s-american/

https://theblackwallsttimes.com/2017/07/20/black-family-structure-in-decline-since-the-1960s-the-home-effect/

This was not an accident. It was DELIBERATE, and the Democrat Party did it.

 

 

[reason10]

17 hours ago, herbie said:

See what I meant about including /sarcasm in that other thread. Too damn thick in the head to figure it out themselves....

At any rate the Cornservative majority is making rapid progress in the March Backwards in the USA. Ruling that discrimination on the basis of religious beliefs is not discrimination. Ruling against student debt relief.
Now we just need to wait for them to agree with some Klansman bringing the case that 'serving dem black peeple's agin my religion' ...

The ONLY discrimination today is coming from YOU GOOSE STEPPERS. Affirmative action IS DISCRIMINATION. And thankfully we have a Supreme Court where MOST OF THE MEMBERS ACTUALLY TOOK THE TIME TO READ THE FCKING CONSTITUTION.

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Further comments are unnecessary at this point.

Oh shoot, I forgot the /sarc off thingy again.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, reason10 said:

Black men are disproportionally denied property, jobs, wealth respect and liberty, and now you'll complain that they struggling or absent?

That is a LIE. In America, since the REPUBLICAN CIVIL RIGHTS ACT, it is ILLEGAL to deny a house, a job, wealth, etc based on race.

And it is and always had been bullshit to claim that "welfare" is breaking up families.

Welfare DID break up black families. They were deliberately targeted by these racists.

75 percent of all black children in America today live in single family homes, thanks to a government that paid a child to get pregnant and lose the father.

https://newsone.com/1195075/children-single-parents-u-s-american/

https://theblackwallsttimes.com/2017/07/20/black-family-structure-in-decline-since-the-1960s-the-home-effect/

This was not an accident. It was DELIBERATE, and the Democrat Party did it.

 

 

This is unfortunately true.

We are seeing the results of "The Great Society".

Meh...leopards and spots...

[ironstone]

13 hours ago, Hodad said:

Nah, his nephews and nieces are right about him.

Ok, I'll bite. What did his nephews and nieces say about him?? Was it the usual uncle Tom kind of insult so commonly directed at blacks that happen to be conservative?