SCOTUS Ends Affirmative Action

[Deluge]

15 hours ago, Hodad said:

1. I listed a half dozen examples in the thought experiment.

You haven't listed shit. 

Let's try this again: 

Pull up a single example of "white privilege", and let's talk about it. 

I want to see a clear scenario - who, what, when, where and how, all of it - a specific example. 

We'll get to your other points when you give this its due diligence. 

Edited July 12, 2023 by Deluge

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, robosmith said:

You should be sorry about your inability to CITE ANYTHING to prove ^these OPINIONS OF YOURS.

Already did - you just like to pretend otherwise and ignore any facts that don't suit you

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How about a QUOTE from YOUR CITE that says MORE than Black cops are just as biased as White cops?

I never said  EITHER are bias.   See? you have to make up fake crap nobody said to argue with becuase you know what I DID say is true

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There's a REASON WHY you FAILED to cite one.

You mean there's a reason why i failed to cite a comment I never said which you just made up?   Yes... yes there is   LOL

[Hodad]

5 hours ago, Deluge said:

You haven't listed shit. 

Let's try this again: 

Pull up a single example of "white privilege", and let's talk about it. 

I want to see a clear scenario - who, what, when, where and how, all of it - a specific example. 

We'll get to your other points when you give this its due diligence. 

Do you not know what a list is? I did, indeed, list multiple examples. Here it is again: "Simply by being born white your odds in life are better. You're more likely to be born to wealthier parents, to more educated parents, in better neighborhoods with better schools and in a cohort of similarly advantaged kids. You'd be less likely to face racism--particularly meaningful racism. You'd be less likely to face prejudice and discrimination."

It literally starts before birth. Black infant mortality is more than double that of whites.

One of the resume examples: "companies are more than twice as likely to call minority applicants for interviews if they submit whitened resumes than candidates who reveal their race."

 

The weirdest thing about this conversation--and many others like it--is that it has to be had at all. Like there are apparently droves of white people roaming around America totally ignorant of the advantages they enjoy--when it's so damn pervasive that it's actually harder to find an example in which it doesn't exist.  Like, "prove to me the sky is blue!"

 

Bias is that "whiter-sounding" resumes get more interview calls. 

White privilege is never having to wonder whether they didn't call you because of your name or LinkedIn photo.

 

Edited July 12, 2023 by Hodad

[BeaverFever]

 

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[Deluge]

19 hours ago, Hodad said:

Do you not know what a list is? I did, indeed, list multiple examples. Here it is again: "Simply by being born white your odds in life are better. You're more likely to be born to wealthier parents, to more educated parents, in better neighborhoods with better schools and in a cohort of similarly advantaged kids.

Fine. Let's break that down:

In what parts of the country are most blacks located? 

Wrong.

Most blacks reside in democrat run cities and states. That means those high mortality rates are on the democrat party, not JUST white people. Yes, there are plenty of whites in the democrat party, but there are also plenty of blacks in the democrat party and they're BOTH complicit. Why you wokies let the underprivileged suffer the way they do is beyond me - especially since you degenerates insist you're the party of sensitivity and enlightenment, as well as inclusion. 

Now, I'm sure you hate that explanation because you hate yourself and find excuses to self flagellate at every opportunity, but we on the Right actually like who we are, and we don't punish ourselves because other people are suffering - we leave that to you sadomasochists on the left.

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, Deluge said:

1. Most blacks reside in democrat run cities and states. That means those high mortality rates are on the democrat party.

2. Now, I'm sure you hate that explanation because you hate yourself ...

1.  That's oversimplified.  Even if you want to attribute something like mortality to politics only, why not consider state or national governments ?  It doesn't pass the think test.

2.  Personal attack - stopped reading at that point.

[Deluge]

11 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1.  That's oversimplified.  Even if you want to attribute something like mortality to politics only, why not consider state or national governments ?  It doesn't pass the think test.

2.  Personal attack - stopped reading at that point.

1. The oversimplification is in the white default, and you lefties use it a lot. The truth is what I just discussed. If political leaders had ANY sense of care for suffering minorities those mortality rates would look a lot better. 

2. It's not a personal attack if it's true, and Hodad is one guilt filled white man.

Edited July 13, 2023 by Deluge

[Nationalist]

30 minutes ago, Deluge said:

1. The oversimplification is in the white default, and you lefties use it a lot. The truth is what I just discussed. If political leaders had ANY sense of care for suffering minorities those mortality rates would look a lot better. 

2. It's not a personal attack if it's true, and Hodad is one guilt filled white man.

This is true...

[reason10]

1.  That's oversimplified.  Even if you want to attribute something like mortality to politics only, why not consider state or national governments ?  It doesn't pass the think test.

Whenever a liberal loses an argument, it's always "Oversimplified." That means YOU CAN'T SPIN THE TRUTH.

Is what Deluge said correct or not? A or B.

Are the largest concentration of black people in Democrat run large cities? And could it be because if THIS racist redneck?

 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

Fine. Let's break that down:

In what parts of the country are most blacks located? 

Wrong.

Most blacks reside in democrat run cities and states. That means those high mortality rates are on the democrat party, not JUST white people. Yes, there are plenty of whites in the democrat party, but there are also plenty of blacks in the democrat party and they're BOTH complicit. Why you wokies let the underprivileged suffer the way they do is beyond me - especially since you degenerates insist you're the party of sensitivity and enlightenment, as well as inclusion. 

Now, I'm sure you hate that explanation because you hate yourself and find excuses to self flagellate at every opportunity, but we on the Right actually like who we are, and we don't punish ourselves because other people are suffering - we leave that to you sadomasochists on the left.

That's not an explanation, and this topic has nothing to do with political blaming. There are myriad reasons and contributors for the gap in infant mortality. All of it really comes back to education, money and opportunity--from both directions. The patients are more likely to lack those things, and the lack of those things means that there are fewer doctors (and other healthcare providers) in those communities, and indeed, Blacks are dramatically underrepresented in the medical field. 

^^ An example of the feedback loops that make systemic racism difficult to overcome. 

 

And again, I don't "hate" myself because there is injustice in the world, nor do I expect anyone else to. I'm not sure why folks on the right say that, but it's just a straw man you've set up to swing at. 

Rather than hating yourself, what I'd like is for you to look around and acknowledge the disparities and injustices and think about what ways we can address them. A just society is the goal, no? Where any baby born, no matter the skin color, runs the same race to the best of their ability. No head starts. No undue burdens.

Now if we want to pivot to politics, I think there actually is a lot of anxiety and insecurity among white GOP voters. Again, not universal, but they tend to be less educated and I think more disposed toward feeling economically vulnerable. There is a undercurrent of fear. They view a loss of privilege and a fair playing field as a threat to their status. Their self interest is greater than their interest in a just society. They want their head start because they are afraid they may "lose" without it. And some of them very well might. But it's not a zero-sum game and doesn't have to be viewed that way. With the systems as they are, we are wasting an enormous amount of human potential. 

 

Edited July 13, 2023 by Hodad

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

That's not an explanation, and this topic has nothing to do with political blaming. There are myriad reasons and contributors for the gap in infant mortality. All of it really comes back to education, money and opportunity--from both directions. The patients are more likely to lack those things, and the lack of those things means that there are fewer doctors (and other healthcare providers) in those communities, and indeed, Blacks are dramatically underrepresented in the medical field. 

^^ An example of the feedback loops that make systemic racism difficult to overcome. 

 

And again, I don't "hate" myself because there is injustice in the world, nor do I expect anyone else to. I'm not sure why folks on the right say that, but it's just a straw man you've set up to swing at. 

Rather than hating yourself, what I'd like is for you to look around and acknowledge the disparities and injustices and think about what ways we can address them. A just society is the goal, no? Where any baby born, no matter the skin color, runs the same race to the best of their ability. No head starts. No undue burdens.

Now if we want to pivot to politics, I think there actually is a lot of anxiety and insecurity among white GOP voters. Again, not universal, but they tend to be less educated and I think more disposed toward feeling economically vulnerable. There is a undercurrent of fear. They view a loss of privilege and a fair playing field as a threat to their status. Their self interest is greater than their interest in a just society. They want their head start because they are afraid they may "lose" without it. And some of them very well might. But it's not a zero-sum game and doesn't have to be viewed that way. With the systems as they are, we are wasting an enormous amount of human potential. 

 

!. It's the ONLY explanation. There is no other explanation. There's only ONE reason why black Americans are suffering, and it's because of the democrat party. Democrats want to keep blacks down to make them easy to manipulate. When you keep groups of people under your control, it's easy groom them for votes and it's also easy to blame someone else for their suffering. 

2. Yes you do hate yourself. It's why you blame white skin on black skin's suffering. YOU have white skin, therefore, YOU are part of the problem. If you want to use "systemic racism" to describe the democrat party, please do so; THAT would make sense. 

3. I don't hate myself. YOU hate yourself. Stop projecting. 

4. There is no pivoting; we're already on politics, and the democrat party is the reason black Americans are suffering. 

Edited July 13, 2023 by Deluge

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, reason10 said:

1.  That's oversimplified.  Even if you want to attribute something like mortality to politics only, why not consider state or national governments ?  It doesn't pass the think test.

Whenever a liberal loses an argument, it's always "Oversimplified." That means YOU CAN'T SPIN THE TRUTH.

Is what Deluge said correct or not? A or B.

Are the largest concentration of black people in Democrat run large cities? And could it be because if THIS racist redneck?

 

I totally believe that LBJ said that. Racists were a lot more open about their racism back then. 

Edited July 13, 2023 by Deluge

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, Deluge said:

1. If political leaders had ANY sense of care for suffering minorities those mortality rates would look a lot better. 

2. It's not a personal attack if it's true, and Hodad is one guilt filled white man.

1.  It's still oversimplified to my mind - although you appear to be saying political leaders now, implying all levels of government.  The public sphere is an ecosystem, and you could argue that if the public is ok with something then of course the leaders will be ok with it.  For example, a high gun murder rate is mostly a problem if the public thinks so.  

2. Telling someone that they hate themself is garbage discussion.  I wish people who discuss in this way would go elsewhere frankly.

 

[reason10]

2. Telling someone that they hate themself is garbage discussion.  I wish people who discuss in this way would go elsewhere frankly.
Imagine all the superior educated mainstream conservatives here who have to deal with garbage discussion from the uneducated left.  We aren't suggesting they go elsewhere, (although the local JOBS office might be a step in the right direction.)

 

[Hodad]

6 hours ago, Deluge said:

!. It's the ONLY explanation. There is no other explanation. There's only ONE reason why black Americans are suffering, and it's because of the democrat party. Democrats want to keep blacks down to make them easy to manipulate. When you keep groups of people under your control, it's easy groom them for votes and it's also easy to blame someone else for their suffering. 

2. Yes you do hate yourself. It's why you blame white skin on black skin's suffering. YOU have white skin, therefore, YOU are part of the problem. If you want to use "systemic racism" to describe the democrat party, please do so; THAT would make sense. 

3. I don't hate myself. YOU hate yourself. Stop projecting. 

4. There is no pivoting; we're already on politics, and the democrat party is the reason black Americans are suffering. 

Eh, you're back to aggressively stupid trolling. Almost had a conversation. Oh well.

[Deluge]

14 hours ago, Hodad said:

Eh, you're back to aggressively stupid trolling. Almost had a conversation. Oh well.

There's no such thing as me trolling. I get to the point. YOU are stuck in the 1950's, and I'm trying to help you out. 

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, Deluge said:

There's no such thing as me trolling. I get to the point. YOU are stuck in the 1950's, and I'm trying to help you out. 

You might want to bring a crow bar

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You might want to bring a crow bar

Make it a J... 

Nah, too cheap a shot.

[Deluge]

On 7/1/2023 at 5:04 PM, robosmith said:

Yes, and that FALL was caused by right wingers pushing them OUT OF the voting booth and the best schools.

Pushing who out of the voting booths? 

[CdnFox]

22 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Make it a J... 

Nah, too cheap a shot.

LOL - that actually took me a fair while

[Hodad]

4 hours ago, Deluge said:

There's no such thing as me trolling. I get to the point. YOU are stuck in the 1950's, and I'm trying to help you out. 

Nah, running around telling people that they hate themselves is stupid. Keeping at it even after having been articulately corrected is just plain trolling.

You stopped actually responding to the content of my posts several exchanges ago. ?‍♀️