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24 minutes ago, Boges said:

Not necessarily. But refusing to do so, because you don't want children to be exposed to the idea of Homosexuality certainly is. Kind of like what Desantis did in Florida. 

I dont want my kids to be exposed to some nut case with a giant strap on. If that makes me a bigot so be it. 

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15 minutes ago, West said:

I dont want my kids to be exposed to some nut case with a giant strap on. If that makes me a bigot so be it. 

If you think that represents the majority, or even a fraction of homosexuals, you're the problem. 

Posted
16 minutes ago, Boges said:

If you think that represents the majority, or even a fraction of homosexuals, you're the problem. 

That was on the MAIN STAGE at the Pride last year. 

Living in denial then calling orhers names.. what a shame

Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, Boges said:

Not necessarily. But refusing to do so, because you don't want children to be exposed to the idea of Homosexuality certainly is. Kind of like what Desantis did in Florida. 

Again, assumptions.

Also, do you think DeSantis is bad for leaving sex education out of early elementary grades?  You assume that you’re talking to an audience that agrees with all your personal assumptions.  Some people love DeSantis and it’s likely that the next president will be Republican, so either Trump or DeSantis.  Are half of Americans bigots?

A lot is packed into that flag and not everyone agrees that advertising a selection of identities and orientations aligns with their values.  Messaging of acceptance and support without regard to sexual orientation and identity can be conveyed in many ways without a flag.

The reality is that if you push people to support more than what their consciences or faiths or values can accept, then you will get a pushback that could actually erode or remove rights if it’s arguable that the exercising of certain rights tramples other rights.  Legislation is created by elected legislators.  Public opinion can shift.  My opinion has shifted since I began to see the fallout of transition surgeries for kids, the ensuing mental health problems, the psychogenic epidemic of female transitions resulting in sterilizations, mastectomies, etc.  I won’t even get into questions of whether there are 90 genders or 150.

This change is benefiting and being pushed by health and pharmaceutical corporations, which creates a moral hazard.  Already progressive Sweden has banned transition surgeries for kids and Britain has closed a clinic due to lawsuits and fallout.

Reasonable people have reasons to question what is being taught and advertised, especially in public education, especially for young children.

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Posted (edited)
11 minutes ago, West said:

That was on the MAIN STAGE at the Pride last year. 

Living in denial then calling orhers names.. what a shame

So that means, that is emblematic of all of Pride? 

Is this emblematic of heterosexuality? 

 

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Again, assumptions.

Also, do you think DeSantis is bad for leaving sex education out of early elementary grades?  You assume that you’re talking to an audience that agrees with all your personal assumptions.  Some people love DeSantis and it’s likely that the next president will be Republican, so either Trump or DeSantis.  Are half of Americans bigots?

A lot is packed into that flag and not everyone agrees that advertising a selection of identities and orientations aligns with their values.  Messaging of acceptance and support without regard to sexual orientation and identity can be conveyed in many ways without a flag.

The reality is that if you push people to support more than what their consciences or faiths or values can accept, then you will get a pushback that could actually erode or remove rights if it’s arguable that the exercising of certain rights tramples other rights.  Legislation is created by elected legislators.  Public opinion can shift.  My opinion has shifted since I began to see the fallout of transition surgeries for kids, the ensuing mental health problems, the psychogenic epidemic of female transitions resulting in sterilizations, mastectomies, etc.  I won’t even get into questions of whether there are 90 genders or 150.

This change is benefiting and being pushed by health and pharmaceutical corporations, which creates a moral hazard.  Already progressive Sweden has banned transition surgeries and Britain has closed a clinic due to lawsuits and fallout.

Reasonable people have reasons to question what is being taught and advertised, especially in public education, especially for young children.

 

Pride is a complex movement. Which is why, associating it solely with the elements you disagree with, is wrong. 

Flying a flag doesn't automatically equate to support for gender affirming therapies or public displays of hardcore sexuality. 

Posted (edited)
22 minutes ago, Boges said:

So that means, that is emblematic of all of Pride? 

Is this emblematic of heterosexuality? 

 

Its emblematic of the perverts who are pushing perverted nonsense onto the masses.. and you dress this nonsense up as "love". 

Kids shouldn't be exposed to this filth. Certainly shouldn't be doing field trips and calling parents names for opposing this nonsense

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Posted
1 minute ago, West said:

Its emblematic of the perverts who are pushing perverted nonsense onto the masses.. and you dress this nonsense up as "love"

So not a reflection on Hetrosexuals as a whole? 

Why are instances of perversion amongst Homosexuals used to define them as a group?  

I'm sure you wouldn't say the scores of religious leaders that took part in sexual crime and pedophilia is emblematic of religious people. 

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1 hour ago, Boges said:

 

Pride is a complex movement. Which is why, associating it solely with the elements you disagree with, is wrong. 

Flying a flag doesn't automatically equate to support for gender affirming therapies or public displays of hardcore sexuality. 

You can’t define for everyone what might be objectionable in the flag, nor can you assume that such objections are bad.  You’re entitled to your opinion. There are reasonable grounds for questioning.  Writing off everyone who doesn’t agree with your opinion as bigoted or morally suspect will only invite the same assessment of your opinion.  

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1 hour ago, Boges said:

So not a reflection on Hetrosexuals as a whole? 

Why are instances of perversion amongst Homosexuals used to define them as a group?  

I'm sure you wouldn't say the scores of religious leaders that took part in sexual crime and pedophilia is emblematic of religious people. 

We are specifically talking about Pride events which is not suitable for kids. 

If my pastor walked around with a giant strap on in a Sunday morning service I wouldn't attend either

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Posted
1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

You know, the board that decided not to fly it, that's their business. And most likely will be more in the future. 

However, here comes another issue, what happens in these sorts of things is basement dwellers take events like this and start thinking is their duty to destroy property, like this element:

⬆️? Beamsville church’s Pride flag destroyed in ‘hate-based Incident’: Niagara police

https://globalnews.ca/news/9737107/beamsville-churchs-pride-flag-destroyed-in-hate-based-incident-niagara-police/

Who gave permission to this person to destroy the flag? If the Church made a decision to fly is their business to fly, like some boards maybe in the future they will go through a process and remove it with a debate. Society does not need one to destroy private property, regardless if some are <- defacing statues or going after LGBTQ flags ->. Hope that one is caught and put in prison, next time he will learn the value of private property or how a system process should be respected. 

People have no right to destroy private property like that.  

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On 5/30/2023 at 8:00 AM, Boges said:

Homophobia is seeing a massive resurgence in 2023. 

the problem is the culture and identity wars. People were fine with gays for the most part. The issue was settled long ago and even Conservatives made peace with gay marriage 20 years ago.

But now suddenly it's all back in everyone's face,  If you don't think men who think they're women should be allowed to compete in women's sports, you are an evil racist nazi homophobic degenerate deplorable. Unless you're a white male in which case you were all that already and now you're MUCH worse.

And naturally when someone picks an unnecessary fight like that the other side fights back.  And that's where we are at,

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Posted
9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

the problem is the culture and identity wars. People were fine with gays for the most part. The issue was settled long ago and even Conservatives made peace with gay marriage 20 years ago.

But now suddenly it's all back in everyone's face,  If you don't think men who think they're women should be allowed to compete in women's sports, you are an evil racist nazi homophobic degenerate deplorable. Unless you're a white male in which case you were all that already and now you're MUCH worse.

And naturally when someone picks an unnecessary fight like that the other side fights back.  And that's where we are at,

Indeed. Give 'em an inch and they take a mile.

Society accepted gay folks long ago. That acceptance lead to the gay pride parades, in which all ages are welcomed to witness...mock sexual acts performed by scantily dressed people. 

I've always been curious...What would happen if we had a hetero pride parade? You know...scantily dressed people doing mock sexual acts for all to witness. Would that be described as beautiful?

What's missing in this alphabet soup of gay pride...is respect. 

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Posted
15 hours ago, West said:

We are specifically talking about Pride events which is not suitable for kids. 

If my pastor walked around with a giant strap on in a Sunday morning service I wouldn't attend either

And you don't have to attend a Pride Parade or consume anything related to Pride. 

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Posted
47 minutes ago, Boges said:

And you don't have to attend a Pride Parade or consume anything related to Pride. 

Unless he has kids in elementary school.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Boges said:

And you don't have to attend a Pride Parade or consume anything related to Pride. 

And they don't have to have pride parades. They can be gay or queer without them.  So it works both ways doesn't it.  They want to have them others don't want to have to see that and don't appreciate that children are exposed to it and that a big hunk of the city is shut down to accommodate it. And while the parade pays for some of the costs, the taxpayer still pays a hunk.  So you're also footing the bill for it with your own money if you're against it.

And then there's the politics. The gay pride parade people decide no police are allowed to participate and make a big stink about it.  And the papers drop everything and talk about how terrible police are.  Then it's the gov't - if a mayor or prime minister or political figure doesn't attend then the parade is turned into a political tool to bludgeon them and turn people against them.

Oh no -  whether you go or not the parade is affecting your life and your finances. But if you dare speak out, you're an evil homophobic bigoted mysoginistic alt right transphobe fascist nazi deplorable who should be left homeless on the streets.

And people wonder why there's a backlash.

I"m pretty pro gay -  hell i grew up in Vancouver, you kind of have to be :)  but even I'm getting fed up.

Posted
2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Unless he has kids in elementary school.

What schools are making Pride activities field trips. 

And if there is anything pride related in a school, please provide evidence that it involves explicit sexuality? 

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1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

And they don't have to have pride parades. They can be gay or queer without them.  So it works both ways doesn't it.  They want to have them others don't want to have to see that and don't appreciate that children are exposed to it and that a big hunk of the city is shut down to accommodate it. And while the parade pays for some of the costs, the taxpayer still pays a hunk.  So you're also footing the bill for it with your own money if you're against it.

And then there's the politics. The gay pride parade people decide no police are allowed to participate and make a big stink about it.  And the papers drop everything and talk about how terrible police are.  Then it's the gov't - if a mayor or prime minister or political figure doesn't attend then the parade is turned into a political tool to bludgeon them and turn people against them.

Oh no -  whether you go or not the parade is affecting your life and your finances. But if you dare speak out, you're an evil homophobic bigoted mysoginistic alt right transphobe fascist nazi deplorable who should be left homeless on the streets.

And people wonder why there's a backlash.

I"m pretty pro gay -  hell i grew up in Vancouver, you kind of have to be :)  but even I'm getting fed up.

Look I can concede that the focus on Trans right and the idea that Gender norms are meaningless is somewhat irksome. But they aren't a monolith group.  

But from a White Straight "Sis" perspective it's pretty funny to suggest they have shouldn't be celebrating their "identity". They just won the right to marry in this century. Last century it was illegal to be gay in many places. 

What bugs me is the idea that homosexuality = perverse. And you see that sentiment in this thread. Are there very sexual things associated with the LGBT movement? Sure. Its defined by Sexual preference and identity. But it doesn't mean they're perverse. 

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Posted
6 minutes ago, Boges said:

What schools are making Pride activities field trips. 

And if there is anything pride related in a school, please provide evidence that it involves explicit sexuality? 

A number of schools in ontario are promoting the event and suggsting kids should go. You should be able to find that info with a few quick searches.

As to kids being exposed to explicit sexuality at pride events:

https://thepostmillennial.com/adults-expose-themselves-to-children-at-toronto-pride-parade

Adults expose themselves to children at Toronto Pride Parade

 

There are a LOT of examples.  And there are pride organizers who say children SHOULD be exposed to it, they like it.

I'll be blunt - hetero OR homo i don't think children should be exposed to overt sexual issues at a young age in the first place. They're too young to safely deal with the concepts in a responsible way. Hell they're too young to decide what to have for breakfast without supervision.

I'm sorry but you can't blow it off as 'not an issue'.

 

Posted
7 minutes ago, Boges said:

Look I can concede that the focus on Trans right and the idea that Gender norms are meaningless is somewhat irksome. But they aren't a monolith group.  

They present as one. Sorry - but that's what's being promoted right now. Like it or not they're going to sink or swim together.

7 minutes ago, Boges said:

But from a White Straight "Sis" perspective it's pretty funny to suggest they have shouldn't be celebrating their "identity". They just won the right to marry in this century. Last century it was illegal to be gay in many places. 

As i very clearly pointed out this goes way beyond celebrating their identity. They use that celebration as a political tool AND i have to help pay for it

And trying to suggest that somehow i'm not allowed to have an opinion becuase i'm 'CIS'  (a derrogatory term now) only convinces me more that things have gone too far and MY rights to even have an opinion are in jeopardy with these people.

Your own comment demonstrates that it is now seen as an us vs them confrontation, not acceptance. I can shut up because i'm Cis? Well then they can get the hell off my streets.

7 minutes ago, Boges said:

What bugs me is the idea that homosexuality = perverse. And you see that sentiment in this thread. Are there very sexual things associated with the LGBT movement? Sure. Its defined by Sexual preference and identity. But it doesn't mean they're perverse. 

Well that would depend on how you define perverse  i guess. Looking at the dictionary i see this definition which seems to be the most neutral:

Willfully opposing or resisting what is right, expected, or reasonable.

Is it "right, expected or reasonable" to expose children to sexual acts or imagery? Or guys with their dick out bunny hopping down the street?

Probably not.

Do we see any gays speaking out against that?

Nope.

I think you may have a tough fight trying to argue they're not a little perverse.

Posted
7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

A number of schools in ontario are promoting the event and suggsting kids should go. You should be able to find that info with a few quick searches.

As to kids being exposed to explicit sexuality at pride events:

https://thepostmillennial.com/adults-expose-themselves-to-children-at-toronto-pride-parade

Adults expose themselves to children at Toronto Pride Parade

 

There are a LOT of examples.  And there are pride organizers who say children SHOULD be exposed to it, they like it.

I'll be blunt - hetero OR homo i don't think children should be exposed to overt sexual issues at a young age in the first place. They're too young to safely deal with the concepts in a responsible way. Hell they're too young to decide what to have for breakfast without supervision.

I'm sorry but you can't blow it off as 'not an issue'.

I actually don't think the Pride Parade is something children, because people do party and "let loose". 

But that doesn't mean Pride iconography should be banned. 

Posted
7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Probably not.

Do we see any gays speaking out against that?

Nope.

I think you may have a tough fight trying to argue they're not a little perverse.

Heterosexuals can also be perverse too.

If you're religious, do you feel you have to vocally speak out against priests or pastors who commit sexual crime? 

If you're heterosexual, do you feel you need to apologize for a man exposing himself to young girls? 

We can believe those things are vile and wrong, but we don't feel we need to answer for their crimes. I don't think the Pride movement needs to apologize for those that are also sexually perverse. 

Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, Boges said:

Look I can concede that the focus on Trans right and the idea that Gender norms are meaningless is somewhat irksome. But they aren't a monolith group.  

But from a White Straight "Sis" perspective it's pretty funny to suggest they have shouldn't be celebrating their "identity". They just won the right to marry in this century. Last century it was illegal to be gay in many places. 

What bugs me is the idea that homosexuality = perverse. And you see that sentiment in this thread. Are there very sexual things associated with the LGBT movement? Sure. Its defined by Sexual preference and identity. But it doesn't mean they're perverse. 

Who said homosexuality = perverse? Oddly enough, by the strictest of definitions, it is but...who said it?

Everyone has the right to "celebrate" their sexuality. Just not in public (I.E. mock sexual acts in a public setting...like a parade down Young St...and not in childrens' books in elementary schools). Or should online porn be available to 6 year olds too?

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Posted
3 hours ago, Boges said:

Heterosexuals can also be perverse too.

Sure - but we don't put it in our parades.

3 hours ago, Boges said:

If you're religious, do you feel you have to vocally speak out against priests or pastors who commit sexual crime? 

Well i'm not religious but i'm going to go with yes anyway :)

3 hours ago, Boges said:

If you're heterosexual, do you feel you need to apologize for a man exposing himself to young girls? 

I feel the need to lock him up and throw away the key.

3 hours ago, Boges said:

We can believe those things are vile and wrong, but we don't feel we need to answer for their crimes.

If we stand idly by and watch them happen we're complicit.

3 hours ago, Boges said:

I don't think the Pride movement needs to apologize for those that are also sexually perverse. 

Including those marching in the parade? I beg to differ and good luck with defending your position there :) 

Posted
10 hours ago, Boges said:

And you don't have to attend a Pride Parade or consume anything related to Pride. 

Yet when the schools express concerns the loons come out knives drawn

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