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3 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Your right not to have an abortion or put up some immigrants is being vigorously defended, I'm sure.

As well it should be. 

What should not be defended is abortion and illegal immigration. 

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11 minutes ago, Deluge said:

As well it should be. 

What should not be defended is abortion and illegal immigration. 

Abortion and legal immigration okay then. 

As long as the government doesn't make you have an abortion of course.  That would be tyranny.

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46 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Arbiters decide disputes, they don't seize control and rule over everything. 

The government needs to help the citizenry resolve its issues and then get the f*ck out of the way.

Well the government rules over almost everything by definition. They govern.

I'm pretty sure there's some policies that you don't want the citizens to work out themselves.

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8 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Well the government rules over almost everything by definition. They govern.

I'm pretty sure there's some policies that you don't want the citizens to work out themselves.

They are to govern, not dictate. Resolve the dispute and then get out of the way. 

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27 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Abortion and legal immigration okay then. 

As long as the government doesn't make you have an abortion of course.  That would be tyranny.

Abortion is not OK, as it is murder. 

Legal immigration is fine, as always. Why do you keep asking about legal immigration? 

That's exactly right. If the government forced women to have abortions, then that would be tyranny. 

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2 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Abortion is not OK, as it is murder. 

Legal immigration is fine, as always. Why do you keep asking about legal immigration? 

That's exactly right. If the government forced women to have abortions, then that would be tyranny. 

Don't forget not allowing people to have abortions, too.  That's definitely tyranny.

Don't you just wish the damn gubment would keep their hands off people's freedoms!

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2 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Don't forget not allowing people to have abortions, too.  That's definitely tyranny.

Don't you just wish the damn gubment would keep their hands off people's freedoms!

No, that's just murder. 

And let the country turn into Tenderloin? No thank you! ;)

 

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5 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

It's only murder if religious freakjobs like yourself do it.  It's not murder if normal people have an abortion.

There are no normal people on your side; there's just woke cultism and abortion is your sacrament. 

Abortion needs to be illegal in all 50 states. 

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29 minutes ago, Deluge said:

They are to govern, not dictate. Resolve the dispute and then get out of the way. 

You are engaging in wordplay.  I'm sure if I listed a bunch of government tasks that you like you would say they're governing, but you would say the ones you don't like are 'dictating'.

There is an uneasy relationship between what the people want, and what the 'system' can support - navigating that is called 'politics'.  There is no inconsistency with the government providing general welfare given their involvement in the economy.

If you are a 'pure' libertarian then maybe you can complain about anything they do beyond roads and armies.    Are you ?

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4 minutes ago, Deluge said:

There are no normal people on your side; there's just woke cultism and abortion is your sacrament. 

Abortion needs to be illegal in all 50 states. 

Forced abortion ought to be illegal everywhere, but the choice to have one ought be allowed everywhere. 

I do understand why deranged cultists would feel differently though.  It's hard when people won't do as your God tells them, right? 

You're not alone.  A lot of conservative right wing religious nutjobs have the same problem.  A lot of them are far worse than you, too.

 

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4 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Forced abortion ought to be illegal everywhere, but the choice to have one ought be allowed everywhere. 

I do understand why deranged cultists would feel differently though.  It's hard when people won't do as your God tells them, right? 

You're not alone.  A lot of conservative right wing religious nutjobs have the same problem.  A lot of them are far worse than you, too.

 

That first part goes without saying. The choice to murder should be illegal everywhere. 

See, what you heathens don't understand is the miracle of human life. We're not dealing with a piece of chewed bubble gum or some tumor; we're dealing with an actual human being in development. 

And don't worry; I'm not blaming you for your misguided beliefs - you are a victim of woke cultism and it has diseased your mind. 

 

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17 minutes ago, herbie said:

Don't argue about abortion, you're both men so you have no right other than to accept a woman's decision.

Whilst I agree with the sentiment, I don't agree with the premise.  Abortion rights are in danger, and everyone needs to step up and argue for them.

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1 minute ago, Deluge said:

That first part goes without saying. The choice to murder should be illegal everywhere. 

See, what you heathens don't understand is the miracle of human life. We're not dealing with a piece of chewed bubble gum or some tumor; we're dealing with an actual human being in development. 

And don't worry; I'm not blaming you for your misguided beliefs - you are a victim of woke cultism and it has diseased your mind. 

 

Miracle my arse.  If you find pregnancy inexplicable you should go back to school.

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The people who call out government 'interference' also tend to want to stop me from hiring overseas workers to come and help me with my business, who want to put tariffs on goods from other countries, want to enable anti-union legislation, eliminate minimum wages, environmental legislation, climate change legislation.

Of course they will say that they don't want the government to 'dictate' policies, but want to protect the 'rights' of corporations to make the environment unlivable.

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1 minute ago, bcsapper said:

Miracle my arse.  If you find pregnancy inexplicable you should go back to school.

Well, I guess this was to be expected. You are a stunted pervert after all - and it certainly explains your affinity for criminal behavior. 

You're not getting legalized murder, my friend. the SCOTUS decision is just the beginning. 

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If there is one topic where the two sides are firmly entrenched and neither side will ever budge.. it is abortion. debating abortion with the expectation that the other will read your words and actually take them into consideration is like going to death valley, CA in August and thinking that screaming about the heat is going to cool it down. 

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8 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Well, I guess this was to be expected. You are a stunted pervert after all - and it certainly explains your affinity for criminal behavior. 

You're not getting legalized murder, my friend. the SCOTUS decision is just the beginning. 

That's no answer.  What a coward!

Where's the miracle?  Do you really not know how human sexual reproduction works?

Wait, you're not married, are you?  What did your wife say when you told her you should just wait for the miracle?

 

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12 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

If there is one topic where the two sides are firmly entrenched and neither side will ever budge.. it is abortion. debating abortion with the expectation that the other will read your words and actually take them into consideration is like going to death valley, CA in August and thinking that screaming about the heat is going to cool it down. 

We're not debating it.  I'm making fun of him, and he's fuming in return.

Edit> Actually, that's mean.  I'm making fun of the notion that religious whackjobs have the right to dictate to others based on what their imaginary friend says.  It's nothing personal.

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4 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Forced abortion ought to be illegal everywhere, but the choice to have one ought be allowed everywhere. 

I do understand why deranged cultists would feel differently though.  It's hard when people won't do as your God tells them, right? 

You're not alone.  A lot of conservative right wing religious nutjobs have the same problem.  A lot of them are far worse than you, too.

 

There isn't a lot of them. Most conservatives aren't religious fanatics and most of the ones who believe there should be some restrictions on abortion don't come at it from a strictly religious place. 

I'm not religious (well - i keep putting 'jedi' on my census paperwork but that's more ceremonial).  But i do have issues with unrestricted abortion rights  that extend to the birth of the child.

For me it's a simple question - when does the fetus become a 'human being'?  At that point human rights should attach and we don't kill humans just because they're not convenient. ( a policy many of my clients have benefited from )

There's arguments from conception to shorly before they take their college entrance exams, but for me there's a reasonable practical answer.

We consider people to be 'dead' when their brain shuts down and stops completely.  Not when the heart stops, but when the brain does. THat's when a person is dead. And i don't mean in a coma - the brain is still doing work there, just not much. Even if we could keep a body alive with no brain , i think everyone would agree it's not a person any more. Everythnig that makes them a unique person is gone.

So - if when the brain stops we call it death, then logically when the brain starts we should call it 'life'.  I believe that happens around week 15, the brain kicks in and starts actually doing things like regulating heart beat etc. Not just a random neuron firing but actual computing.

So i'm cool with abortions till about week 15 (16? can't remember). After that it's not the woman's choice any more because murder is bad and we don't murder children no matter how tempting it may be. Before that - it's a lump of flesh it should be up to the woman.

My take on it anyway.

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