Bruce Jenner's Chromosome Count has not changed

[reason10]

[Americana Antifa]

1 hour ago, reason10 said:

Do you really believe this or are you just trolling?

I don't mind having this discussion, but it feels pretty cringe.

[robosmith]

15 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Do you really believe this or are you just trolling?

I don't mind having this discussion, but it feels pretty cringe.

Of course he believes that SIMPLEMINDED explanation.

Right wingers TYPICALLY understand very little beyond the most simplistic and obvious circumstances like sex organs. LMAO

[Americana Antifa]

5 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Of course he believes that SIMPLEMINDED explanation.

Right wingers TYPICALLY understand very little beyond the most simplistic and obvious circumstances like sex organs. LMAO

It often seems like they don't even really believe this stuff, they just don't care about reality. They'll hear a talking-point they like and just decide now that's canon.

[herbie]

If your chromosome count changed from 23 pairs, you would be some kind of freak. But pinheaded ignoroids from Floriduh still wouldn't understand.

[CdnFox]

So you two agree with him then? Genetically still male, is that what you're saying?

[NYLefty]

I'm still trying to figure out why the knuckle dragging OP and others like him are so concerned with this topic

[CdnFox]

39 minutes ago, NYLefty said:

I'm still trying to figure out why the knuckle dragging OP and others like him are so concerned with this topic

Are you tho? I mean, throwing words like 'knuckle dragger' around doesn't really sound like you're genuinely interested in understanding his motives  

Why don't you ask him if you really care, and maybe don't lead with the insults. You can always break them out later if his reply warrants it.

[Michael Hardner]

8 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

It often seems like they don't even really believe this stuff, they just don't care about reality. They'll hear a talking-point they like and just decide now that's canon.

Well... The OP isn't even an opinion.  It's a lazy cut and paste.

[reason10]

11 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Do you really believe this or are you just trolling?

I don't mind having this discussion, but it feels pretty cringe.

Do you have any scientific evidence that refutes this factual ad? If not, crawl back under your rock, Nazi.

[reason10]

11 hours ago, robosmith said:

Of course he believes that SIMPLEMINDED explanation.

Right wingers TYPICALLY understand very little beyond the most simplistic and obvious circumstances like sex organs. LMAO

You have no scientific information to refute that factual ad. Whenever you goose steppers run into facts, you pull up that !diotic "SIMPLEMINDED" crap, trying to hide the fact that you're too STUPID to refute the facts.

Simplistic? Simpleminded?

How about YOU ARE JUST PLAIN STUPID and cannot refute the FACTS?

[reason10]

11 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

It often seems like they don't even really believe this stuff, they just don't care about reality. They'll hear a talking-point they like and just decide now that's canon.

I've waited patiently and NONE of you goose steppers have been able to  refute or disprove this SCIENCE. It's not a talking point. It is SCIENTIFIC FACT.

And you goose steppers show once again how inferior your blue state public schools are.

[reason10]

9 hours ago, herbie said:

If your chromosome count changed from 23 pairs, you would be some kind of freak. But pinheaded ignoroids from Floriduh still wouldn't understand.

Hey, MOE RON. The source did NOT mention a chromosome count changing from 23 pairs. You're a LIAR.

[reason10]

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So you two agree with him then? Genetically still male, is that what you're saying?

Years ago, (and I'm talking in the early Seventies) a lot of sex ed literature said that a sex change operation does not produce a woman. It is nothing more than a castrated man.

Kinda hard to be a woman and be at risk of prostate cancer.

[reason10]

7 hours ago, NYLefty said:

I'm still trying to figure out why the knuckle dragging OP and others like him are so concerned with this topic

The only knuckle draggers are you goose stepping NAzis who are physically allergic to science. Then again, it could be your inferior blue state public schools, the ones that failed to teach you anything, Adolf.

[Nationalist]

Genetically and medically...Bruce Jenner is a MALE.

In "Tweenkieville" he can be anything his little heart desires.

But in reality...MALE.!

[reason10]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Well... The OP isn't even an opinion.  It's a lazy cut and paste.

It's not an opinion. It's a scientific fact. And there's nothing lazy about wanting to save time. There IS something VERY lazy about never bothering to learn about the SCIENCE of this subject.

I had no idea the goose stepping Luddites here would freak out so badly at the facts.

[reason10]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Are you tho? I mean, throwing words like 'knuckle dragger' around doesn't really sound like you're genuinely interested in understanding his motives  

Why don't you ask him if you really care, and maybe don't lead with the insults. You can always break them out later if his reply warrants it.

One thing about political message boards I've learned over the years.  You KNOW the ignorant insults are coming. It's not like that goose stepper surprised me with his ignorant remarks.

The motives are very basic. SCIENCE.

[Americana Antifa]

6 hours ago, reason10 said:

Do you have any scientific evidence that refutes this factual ad? If not, crawl back under your rock, Nazi.

Sex isn't determined only by chromosomes. It's determined by the overall hormones in a person. This is why most trans people are actually intersex, as most of them take hormones.

Also, we don't know what Jenner's chromosomes are. Many people have a chromosome pairing other than XY or XX and aren't intersex. Unless you've actually been tested, you don't know what your own pairing is. 

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Sex isn't determined only by chromosomes. It's determined by the overall hormones in a person.

no, sorry.  Hormones is what your body produces because of your sex, which is geneticly determined not hormonally determined.

A person may have a deficiency where their body doesn't produce enough hormone or  the like, but force feeding someone hormones doesn't make them intersexed any more than cutting off their penis makes them a female.

The idea that it does is something those on the radical left are pushing because it would lend credence to the idea that trans women are real women, and not men.  Which would then allow them to compete in womens' sports. And promotes the idea that these people are 'just like any other woman'. Or at the very least just as much a woman as a man.   But it's just not accurate.  just like cutting someones  balls off doesn't mean they're not male anymore.

 

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, reason10 said:

The motives are very basic. SCIENCE.

well science isn't a motive, it's just a method.

You obviously felt the need to share the science with everyone and have a discussion about it. Whatever prompted that feeling and action would be the motive.

[Americana Antifa]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

no, sorry.  Hormones is what your body produces because of your sex, which is geneticly determined not hormonally determined.

You can go by that if you want, but that's not what the medical community goes by.

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

You can go by that if you want, but that's not what the medical community goes by.

It is.

Here you go.

 

Mammalian Sex Determination

In mammals, the sex of an individual is determined at conception. When a Y-bearing sperm fertilizes a X-bearing egg, the sex of the embryo is male while a X-bearing sperm will produce a female embryo. In the presence of the Y chromosome, specifically the sex-determining region Y (SRY) gene on this chromosome, the fetus develops testes, which in turn synthesize male sex hormones that are critical for further development of male phenotypic characteristics. In the absence of a Y chromosome, the fetus develops ovaries, synthesizes female sex hormones, important for the development of female phenotypes.

https://laulab.ucsf.edu/how-sex-determined

And there's dozens of medical papers out there - they all say the same thing.

Ooopsie - you were wrong. Genetics determines sex - which then creates hormones to affect the body development. But sex is not determined by hormones.

Swing and a miss kiddo.  You got caught lying again.

I was thinking this subject wasn't really worth discussing but here you've gone and shown that there IS still a lot of misinformation on the left that needs to be corrected by truth and facts.

 

[Americana Antifa]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Mammalian Sex Determination

In mammals, the sex of an individual is determined at conception. When a Y-bearing sperm fertilizes a X-bearing egg, the sex of the embryo is male while a X-bearing sperm will produce a female embryo. In the presence of the Y chromosome, specifically the sex-determining region Y (SRY) gene on this chromosome, the fetus develops testes, which in turn synthesize male sex hormones that are critical for further development of male phenotypic characteristics. In the absence of a Y chromosome, the fetus develops ovaries, synthesizes female sex hormones, important for the development of female phenotypes.

https://laulab.ucsf.edu/how-sex-determined

And there's dozens of medical papers out there - they all say the same thing.

Ooopsie - you were wrong. Genetics determines sex - which then creates hormones to affect the body development. But sex is not determined by hormones.

So what you originally said is: "Hormones is what your body produces because of your sex, which is geneticly determined not hormonally determined."

What this source is actually saying is that the chromosome pairings will produce the hormones that create either a male or a female. Sex is determined at conception in that this is when the chromosome pairing and thus the subsequent hormone washes happen. This is partially what they mean by saying testes/ovaries will synthesize sex hormones that result in phenotypes.

Also, this is a very short overview of sex that lacks important details, such as the fact that many people don't have an XX or an XY.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/differences-in-sex-development/

"Some people have a chromosome pattern other than the usual XY or XX. They may have one X chromosome (XO), or they may have an extra chromosome (XXY)."

This is why biologists are saying that sex is more bimodal than binary.  Even if two people both have an XX, the levels of hormones will be different. Plus we still don't actually know what the distribution for hormone pairings is because so many cases go undiagnosed.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-science-of-biological-sex/

"Further still, genes alone are not the whole picture of biological sex. There are a host of epigenetic factors at play, including hormone levels at different stages of development, hormone receptor sensitivity, and metabolic factors. All of these influence the development of sexual characteristics, which can vary along a spectrum. For example, there are XY females who are chromosomal males but develop mostly or entirely female because of androgen insensitivity. There are, essentially, women walking around who have no idea they have XY chromosomes."

As usual, I know you don't really care about this, you just need "scientific" reasons to justify your support for genocide, but there are probably other people here who are interested.

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You got caught lying again.

This is projection. Even if a person is wrong about something, that doesn't mean they lied. They could just honestly be mistaken. The reason you claimed it was a lie is because you actually lie a lot.

Edited May 3 by Americana Antifa

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

So what you originally said is: "Hormones is what your body produces because of your sex, which is geneticly determined not hormonally determined."

What this source is actually saying is that the chromosome pairings will produce the hormones that create either a male or a female. Sex is determined at conception in that this is when the chromosome pairing and thus the subsequent hormone washes happen. This is partially what they mean by saying testes/ovaries will synthesize sex hormones that result in phenotypes.

 

Yes. It's genetic. Not hormonal. which is precisely what the paper says. Sorry kiddo.

5 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

 

Also, this is a very short overview of sex that lacks important details, such as the fact that many people don't have an XX or an XY.

 

Nope, not many.  But sure there are deformities out there. But they are not the way we're designed.

5 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/differences-in-sex-development/

"Some people have a chromosome pattern other than the usual XY or XX. They may have one X chromosome (XO), or they may have an extra chromosome (XXY)."

This is why biologists are saying that sex is more bimodal than binary. 

Not really. Abborations and mutations are common in every facet of biology.

 

5 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Even if two people both have an XX, the levels of hormones will be different.

Sure. Genetics are rarely precisely duplicated

5 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Plus we still don't actually know what the distribution for hormone pairings is because so many cases go undiagnosed.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-science-of-biological-sex/

"Further still, genes alone are not the whole picture of biological sex. There are a host of epigenetic factors at play, including hormone levels at different stages of development, hormone receptor sensitivity, and metabolic factors. All of these influence the development of sexual characteristics, which can vary along a spectrum. For example, there are XY females who are chromosomal males but develop mostly or entirely female because of androgen insensitivity. There are, essentially, women walking around who have no idea they have XY chromosomes."

 

none of which changes anything i said.

5 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

 

As usual, I know you don't really care about this, you just need "scientific" reasons to justify your support for genocide, but there are probably other people here who are interested.

ROFLMAO - now it's genocide.

And no - people will read it and say 'oh he was right and she's trying to pretend otherwise, and they wont' find that interesting at all. It's always that way. You're pretty boring like that.

5 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

This is projection. Even if a person is wrong about something, that doesn't mean they lied. They could just honestly be mistaken. The reason you claimed it was a lie is because you actually lie a lot.

Projection! Deflection!  GET BACK HERE WITH THOSE GOALPOSTS!!!!! ROFLMAO! You need to change your word of the day calander

There's no projection involved in  the slightest   That's just good old observation   LOL Poor little muffin, everyone knows your tells