Mako Posted April 12, 2023 Report Posted April 12, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Nobody's defending the IDF - i haven't even really mentioned them. We're talking about hamas and palestine - why are you afraid to answer simple questions about them? Why do you defend palestine killing it's own people for international support? Do you believe that such behavior is acceptable? these aren't complex questions and you've been afraid to answer them all along. Why is that? Are you ashamed of your position? Do you feel the isrealies are right, but you hate jews or something? What possible reason could you have? You realize your refusal to address this just makes the isrealies look like the good guys here. Why do you defend Israelis killing Palestinians? Why do you support Israeli use of Palestinian children as human shields and Israeli abuse of children? Do you think people will conclude you are sick in the head? https://www.cbsnews.com/news/un-report-accuses-israeli-forces-of-using-palestinian-children-as-human-shields-abusing-children-in-custody/ Do you believe that such behavior is acceptable? These aren't complex questions and you've been afraid to answer them all along. Why is that? Are you ashamed of your position? Do you feel the Palestinians are right, but you hate them or something? What possible reason could you have? You realize your refusal to address this just makes the Palestinians look like the good guys here. Edited April 12, 2023 by Mako Quote Pro-genocide CdnFox wrote: “The path to peace is hamas and gaza accept the jewish state's right to exist 100 percent and lay down their arms. OR they all die.”
CdnFox Posted April 12, 2023 Report Posted April 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Mako said: Why do you defend Israelis killing Palestinians? I haven't. I haven't said either side is good. YOU are the only one defending a side here. I actually said there's serious problems with both. you however defend palestine - and you refuse to answer simple questions like why you support hamas using palestinians as human shields? More and more you're convincing people the palestinians are in the wrong, IF they weren't, why wouldn't you explain these actions? What are you afraid of? Do you actually believe the isrealies are right? Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Mako Posted April 12, 2023 Report Posted April 12, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, CdnFox said: I haven't. I haven't said either side is good. YOU are the only one defending a side here. I actually said there's serious problems with both. you however defend palestine - and you refuse to answer simple questions like why you support hamas using palestinians as human shields? More and more you're convincing people the palestinians are in the wrong, IF they weren't, why wouldn't you explain these actions? What are you afraid of? Do you actually believe the isrealies are right? We both know you are lying. You have been posting ridiculous desperate justifications for Israeli militarism and atrocities for several pages. If you weren’t so dumb I’d say they were paying you. Edited April 12, 2023 by Mako Quote Pro-genocide CdnFox wrote: “The path to peace is hamas and gaza accept the jewish state's right to exist 100 percent and lay down their arms. OR they all die.”
CdnFox Posted April 12, 2023 Report Posted April 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mako said: We both know you are lying. You have been posting ridiculous desperate justifications for Israeli militarism and atrocities for several pages. By 'We" - i assume you mean you and the other voices in your head? I haven't posted a justification of anything. Ive posted proof that palestine uses it's people as human shields and asked you to explain why you think that's ok. You refuse to answer. Apperently you're afraid that the truth is the Palestinains are the cause of the problems here. Why else would you refuse to answer? Did you want to explain why it is you support this behavior now? Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Mako Posted April 12, 2023 Report Posted April 12, 2023 (edited) https://progressive.org/latest/human-shields-excuse-war-crimes-zunes-210617/ “Despite repeated claims by both Israel and the United States, there is absolutely no evidence that any of the more than 3,000 Palestinian civilians killed in Israeli military operations against Gaza since 2008 were a result of Hamas using human shields. Investigations of the most recent round of fighting are still ongoing. But detailed investigations following the 2008-2009 and 2014 conflicts by Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, the United Nations Human Rights Council, and others have failed to find a single documented case of any civilian deaths caused by Hamas using human shields. Not one.” If you are not an apologist for the Israelis let me give you an opportunity to criticize Israeli abuse of children, Zionist ethnic cleansing, Israeli discrimination, etc. Go right ahead. Edited April 12, 2023 by Mako Quote Pro-genocide CdnFox wrote: “The path to peace is hamas and gaza accept the jewish state's right to exist 100 percent and lay down their arms. OR they all die.”
CdnFox Posted April 12, 2023 Report Posted April 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, Mako said: False claims by a bias organization showing palestine lies Sorry bud. I've already provided more than enough proof to show Palestine does use it's people as human targets. Too late to provide lies from a bias source to cover it up now So the question again is why did you lie? And why do you support them given their crimes? Do you think it's ok for them to kill their own people? Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Mako Posted April 12, 2023 Report Posted April 12, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Sorry bud. I've already provided more than enough proof to show Palestine does use it's people as human targets. Too late to provide lies from a bias source to cover it up now So the question again is why did you lie? And why do you support them given their crimes? Do you think it's ok for them to kill their own people? You have only beclowned yourself naively trusting the IDF and other extremist Jewish organizations while claiming HRW and Amnesty International are biased. It appears you can’t bear to criticize Israel. You’ve exposed yourself as a liar, a (feeble but enthusiastic) apologist for the worst Israeli militarists. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2021/06/israeli-police-targeted-palestinians-with-discriminatory-arrests-torture-and-unlawful-force/ Edited April 12, 2023 by Mako Quote Pro-genocide CdnFox wrote: “The path to peace is hamas and gaza accept the jewish state's right to exist 100 percent and lay down their arms. OR they all die.”
CdnFox Posted April 12, 2023 Report Posted April 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Mako said: You have only beclowned yourself naively trusting the IDF and other extremist Jewish organizations while claiming HRW and Amnesty International are biased. It appears you can’t bear to criticize Israel. You’ve exposed yourself as a liar, a (feeble but enthusiastic) apologist for the worst Israeli militarists. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2021/06/israeli-police-targeted-palestinians-with-discriminatory-arrests-torture-and-unlawful-force/ Every time you lie you make it more clear you know the palestinians are guilty. I haven't said a single positive thing about the IDF. But you feel the need to lie every time about that. And alll to doge my questions. Answer the question or admit you're just a jew hater who backs hamas Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
blackbird Posted April 12, 2023 Author Report Posted April 12, 2023 4 hours ago, Mako said: The Israelis have most of the military power, thanks to the U.S. taxpayer, so most of the victims are Palestinians. The Israelis deserve most of the criticism. "1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. {ordained: or, ordered} 2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. " Romans 13:1-4 KJV In case you haven't figured it out yet, Israel is a state or authority which is a higher power ordained of God. Evil doers who attack the state are resisting the ordinance of God as these verses say. If they did not do evil, but lived in peace, they would not have the dire consequences on themselves. It is as simple as that. Quote
Army Guy Posted April 12, 2023 Report Posted April 12, 2023 15 hours ago, Americana Antifa said: You denied there is a blockade, but now what you're describing is a blockade. Israel is restricting Palestinians' travel in order to keep them in an open air prison. There is no blockade, not according to the worlds media, your source you quoted, Israel allows goods and products to flow into Gaza, and west bank...except weapons' shipments, i wonder why....What your calling bad is that Israel is using it's "sovereignty" to block people from entering...and if you looked at your own sources Egypt is doing the same thing WHY you might add, well it has everything to do with terrorist attacks..... Every country can decide who enters and who does not...... for instance Canadians can not enter the US if they have any drug charges...becasue the US uses it's sovereignty as they choose.... people in Gaza are allowed to fly inter national out of Cairo, while west bank must get permission to travel from an Israelis airport...Again stop lobbing rockets and maybe these restrictions will go away...I know that is to much information for you to handle... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
WestCanMan Posted April 13, 2023 Report Posted April 13, 2023 On 4/8/2023 at 9:53 PM, BeaverFever said: The territories are occupied. They are called the Occupied Territories. Every international authority including Israel’s own judiciary, recognizes that they are occupied. They are not sovereign states. The earth is round, the sky is blue and the Occupied Territories are occupied territories. The claim that intentional community will not condemn the terrorists is 100% pure BS. The suggestion that Israel is somehow more open to compromise than the Palestinians and they will happily make concessions if only terrorism is neutralized is also BS. Why do they keep building illegal settlements in the occupied territories if this is only about security amd they plan to return the land at first opportunity? Israel is getting close to 1 Million illegal settlers living in armed and fortified cities built amd settled by the Israeli government in the territories that you claim aren’t being occupied. You were on a bit of a roll there, this is a more reasonable topic for you. 1) Israel is far more open to compromise than the Palestinians because the Israelis don't have "genocide" as a long-term goal. 2) Kind of ironic to see leftists complaining about "illegal settlers". I get your point, it's just funny is all. 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
WestCanMan Posted April 13, 2023 Report Posted April 13, 2023 10 hours ago, Mako said: From the sites you linked to: “More than 4,360 unguided rockets and mortars were fired, Israel says, killing 13 people there. Some fell short, killing Palestinians in Gaza. At least 260 people were killed in Gaza during the 11 days of fighting.” “It based its conclusions on an investigation into Hamas rocket attacks that killed 12 civilians in Israel.” “In all, some 254 people were killed in Gaza, including at least 67 children and 39 women, according to the Gaza Health Ministry.” Even an intellectually challenged individual such as yourself can notice the difference. The Israelis have most of the military power, thanks to the U.S. taxpayer, so most of the victims are Palestinians. The Israelis deserve most of the criticism. Why do you waste your time serving as a lame apologist for Israeli child murderers? If you're looking at the view from 100 feet that kinda makes sense. 1) But honestly, who collects their half of a bargain unilaterally and then waits to see what the other party to the transaction collects? If I steal your Gretzky rookie card and it's worth $1,000, who's to say that you only steal that exact amount from me? If you stole $1,500 could I really gripe? Could I go to the cops, or take you to small claims court? 2) Israel's situation is precarious and they have no choice but to strike back with a firm hand. Muslims in that area outnumber them 1,000 to 1, and they love genocide. They don't commit genocide and then whine about it later like what happened in Germany, they just do it and then they're happy as can be forever. 3) Israel's situation is a lot like Pakistan's. Both countries were formed the exact same way, just 7 months apart, in 1948/49. In Pakistan they just murdered everyone they didn't want there. They committed a genocide of 3-8M people right away. Then in 1971 they killed 3M more in a second genocide. None of the people who say that Israel shouldn't exist, or say that what they're doing to the Palestinians is wrong, ever say "The Pakistani solution was far worse though, so the Israelis are doing awesome if you compare them to the only other country in the world that has a lot in common with them." Do you know why they don't say that? Because they're bigots. They don't give a crap about the millions and millions and millions of Sikhs and Hindus that were killed to give muslims the entire country of Pakistan all to themselves. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
PIK Posted April 13, 2023 Report Posted April 13, 2023 One thing I have brought up in conversations about this, is How Arafat screwed his people big time. They had 98% of what they asked for and Arrafat said no. But the Palestinians have been used by their Arab brothers in thier quest to drive the jew into the sea. I understand Arafats widow has been living large since his death. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Americana Antifa Posted April 13, 2023 Report Posted April 13, 2023 16 hours ago, Army Guy said: There is no blockade, not according to the worlds media, your source you quoted, Israel allows goods and products to flow into Gaza, and west bank...except weapons' shipments, i wonder why....What your calling bad is that Israel is using it's "sovereignty" to block people from entering...and if you looked at your own sources Egypt is doing the same thing WHY you might add, well it has everything to do with terrorist attacks..... FFS. Then they DO have a blockade! And no, it's not just weapons. Aside from Israel restricting lots of other products, they also restrict where human beings can go. This is legit apartheid. It's pretty much the same laws they had in South Africa. I don't like Egypt's government either, but there's a big difference here. Gaza is part of Israel. Because of that, Israel has a responsibility to take care of those people, not treat them like criminals in their own country. Egypt should take in more Palestinian refugees, absolutely. But the Palestinians shouldn't be in a position where they need to leave. 16 hours ago, Army Guy said: Every country can decide who enters and who does not...... for instance Canadians can not enter the US if they have any drug charges.. Again, the difference is that Gaza is part of Israel. A better comparison would be like America rounding up all the Arab-Americans, putting them in Maryland, then enforcing a blockade around that state. Quote Unsere Stadt, merk euch das, für euch ist kein Platz da. Alerta, Alerta, Antifascista!
SpankyMcFarland Posted April 13, 2023 Report Posted April 13, 2023 (edited) On 4/9/2023 at 9:34 PM, Army Guy said: I’m pretty sure that they are not dozing random housing, I'm sure that one of the family members has taken part in a terrorist act, or supported terrorism in some way, the primary goal is to deter others from doing the same thing, is it vengeance, they call it justice, part of the sentence, or the price you pay for taking part in terrorism...I've seen ethic cleansing up close in Bosnia and this is not it... Destroying houses is one of the many tactics the Israelis have used since 1948 to move Arabs out. It’s part of an overall, and undeclared, strategy that has had a huge effect over decades. On 4/9/2023 at 9:34 PM, Army Guy said: Read the entire history of Israel and what was promised and then finally what was delivered and ask your self is it right they have to divide there nation once again to the same people that wanted to push them into the sea... what is it that Israel gets out of the deal...and then Israel has given GAZA and Hamas self determination and government and what are they doing with it, launching rockets, and conducting raids into Israel, so i ask once again what is in it for Israel, Hamas/ Fatah are not offering peace but more war...The lines are drawn in the sand they are drawn in deep, neither side cares what we think, we do not have to live in their shoes... Let’s get one thing clear about history which I know from Ireland. Everybody involved in the conflict has their own version and will share it at great length. There is no single, objective, agreed account of what has happened. How ‘reasonable’ should people be who are losing their land? The fact of the matter is that Israel is now moving quickly to eradicate the possibility of a Palestinian state in the West Bank for all time. They see the possibility of future Palestinian politicians who are more reasonable than Hamas and Fatah as a risk they want to prevent. The Israelis want the world to forget about the story because they can then impose apartheid forever on the Palestinians. It’s the same desire that the Indians have in Kashmir and the Americans and Chinese everywhere; strong nations prefer bilateral negotiations where they hold all the cards. Edited April 13, 2023 by SpankyMcFarland Quote
Army Guy Posted April 13, 2023 Report Posted April 13, 2023 3 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Destroying houses is one of the many tactics the Israelis have used since 1948 to move Arabs out. It’s part of an overall, and undeclared, strategy that has had a huge effect over decades. Let’s get one thing clear about history which I know from Ireland. Everybody involved in the conflict has their own version and will share it at great length. There is no single, objective, agreed account of what has happened. How ‘reasonable’ should people be who are losing their land? The fact of the matter is that Israel is now moving quickly to eradicate the possibility of a Palestinian state in the West Bank for all time. They see the possibility of future Palestinian politicians who are more reasonable than Hamas and Fatah as a risk they want to prevent. The Israelis want the world to forget about the story because they can then impose apartheid forever on the Palestinians. It’s the same desire that the Indians have in Kashmir and the Americans and Chinese everywhere; strong nations prefer bilateral negotiations where they hold all the cards. You mean dozing homes of people that have attacked Israel... those homes ?... It is not like the Palestine don't know that if you take part in terrorist activities they will doze your home, or your families home. So your condoning terrorist attacks on Israel, becasue one can only be reasonable for so long.... How can the world forget everyday they are in the news more rockets or attacks, Israel counter attack and the whole thing starts once again.... Palestinians have chosen a terrorist organization to represent them on the global stage, and they have chosen terrorism as their method of fighting...killing women and children for a political goal, thats the side you defending...not a good look... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
SpankyMcFarland Posted April 14, 2023 Report Posted April 14, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Army Guy said: You mean dozing homes of people that have attacked Israel... those homes ?... It is not like the Palestine don't know that if you take part in terrorist activities they will doze your home, or your families home. We’ll have to agree to disagree on that. 4 hours ago, Army Guy said: So your condoning terrorist attacks on Israel, becasue one can only be reasonable for so long.... No, I’m not doing that, as I have explained to you already. 4 hours ago, Army Guy said: How can the world forget everyday they are in the news more rockets or attacks, Israel counter attack and the whole thing starts once again.... Palestinians have chosen a terrorist organization to represent them on the global stage, and they have chosen terrorism as their method of fighting...killing women and children for a political goal, thats the side you defending...not a good look... Again, I don’t support Hamas. Not everyone who disagrees with you has the same opinion on everything. I don’t support those rockets and I oppose terrorism wherever it hails from (although I’ve already demonstrated how definitions vary on that). Hamas do not serve their people’s interests well at all. But let’s leave Gaza aside for a second. Imagine if peace broke out in 2035 and the rockets ended. What would you propose for West Bank Palestinians then? Do you think they might deserve a country at that point? Or a vote? Or are they going to be caged into shrinking and disconnected Bantustans for eternity with no say even over their own water? I think every human deserves better than that. Edited April 14, 2023 by SpankyMcFarland Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted April 14, 2023 Report Posted April 14, 2023 (edited) Security is a legit issue for Israelis to consider but not an excuse to hide a land grab that makes a Palestinian state impossible. The alternative to a two-state solution EVENTUALLY is future Palestinians never being citizens of a country. Even in a totalitarian dystopia like China the Uighurs are citizens. In conclusion, Israel-Palestine has become a proxy fight for our Canadian tribes. It’s a good idea not to get too excited about it. Edited April 14, 2023 by SpankyMcFarland Quote
blackbird Posted April 14, 2023 Author Report Posted April 14, 2023 1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Do you think they might deserve a country at that point? Or a vote? Or are they going to be caged into shrinking and disconnected Bantustans for eternity with no say even over their own water? I think every human deserves better than that. The Palestinians could easily drop their anti-Israel stance and accept that the whole area belongs to Israel. That would mean choosing to live in peace, become good and productive citizens and loyal to Israel. Since that is not what they want but their long term goal is the elimination of the state of Israel, there will never be a solution in the foreseeable future. The premise that the Palestinians deserve to carve a state out of Israel is false and unjustified. It could never work. It would weaken Israel too much. Israel must be strong enough to be able to defend itself against the millions of hostile Muslims in the surrounding countries. That is just the reality. If you understand Islam you should know that. Quote
blackbird Posted April 14, 2023 Author Report Posted April 14, 2023 48 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said: to hide a land grab that makes a Palestinian state impossible The whole area belongs to the state of Israel. Israel has no obligation to carve up their country and give pieces to create a so-called Palestinian state. Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted April 14, 2023 Report Posted April 14, 2023 11 hours ago, blackbird said: The Palestinians could easily drop their anti-Israel stance and accept that the whole area belongs to Israel. That would mean choosing to live in peace, become good and productive citizens and loyal to Israel. Since that is not what they want but their long term goal is the elimination of the state of Israel, there will never be a solution in the foreseeable future. The premise that the Palestinians deserve to carve a state out of Israel is false and unjustified. It could never work. It would weaken Israel too much. Israel must be strong enough to be able to defend itself against the millions of hostile Muslims in the surrounding countries. That is just the reality. If you understand Islam you should know that. Sorry, where would the Palestinians live and what passports would they have? Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted April 14, 2023 Report Posted April 14, 2023 11 hours ago, blackbird said: The whole area belongs to the state of Israel. Israel has no obligation to carve up their country and give pieces to create a so-called Palestinian state. What do you mean so-called? Are Palestinians figments of my imagination? Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted April 14, 2023 Report Posted April 14, 2023 BTW lads, the US and EU support a two-state solution so you should show them the error of their ways too. This is a trolling thread. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted April 14, 2023 Report Posted April 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said: What do you mean so-called? Are Palestinians figments of my imagination? Not to jump in but i believe he feels the state is a so called 'state', not the people Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
SpankyMcFarland Posted April 14, 2023 Report Posted April 14, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Not to jump in but i believe he feels the state is a so called 'state', not the people I’m heading out anyway. I was talking about a future Palestinian state. A popular tactic among Israeli extremists these days is to claim that Palestinians are a made-up people, partly because they don’t have their own unique language etc. The bizarre thing is that some North Americans support this stance, unaware of the implications it might have for countries like ours that are recent, multiethnic and without a unique language either. Edited April 14, 2023 by SpankyMcFarland Quote
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