In DeSantis’s revised history curriculum, Rosa Parks wasn’t black or a civil rights activist

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Yes it's lovely.  Reminded me of home when I was there.  Very homey, approachable, loveable people although they are suspicious of government, business, universities, and ... anything.  They react kind of like Frankenstein to a torch.

Loved it there.

I was travelling through with a GF named "Hillary"... and when she gave her name to people it was like she was named "Lucifer".... I'm pretty sure Hillary's in the western states go by their middle name

Kind of incredible how the Republican Party has so successfully installed the middle ages into their bedrock states.  Pretty soon they will be like the Russian peasants of the 1920s- distrustful of people who can read, or wanting to execute people with glasses like the Khmer Rouge....

[Deluge]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

BS. There are no “harmful” and “perverted” books in the school its just a made up witch hunt to ban ideas that don’t corroborate the current conservative ideology and culture war agenda. 

Nope. Anything that even has a whiff of CRT in it needs to go. 

[impartialobserver]

3 minutes ago, Deluge said:

I've been in that part maybe once - it was pretty nice. 

I agree with folks who do not like being in the urban core of certain CA cities or the ultra-affluent suburbs (Davis, Carlsbad, Novato, etc) but there is plenty of CA that is quite scenic and not a "s**hole". However, most city folks think that any place that is not a major city is a "s**hole"

[Michael Hardner]

4 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

  However, most city folks think that any place that is not a major city is a "s**hole"

Really ?  Then why are they always leaving ?

Most people I know in the city are here because their people are here or for $. It *helps* if you like the culture but few people I know live here for that.  More people like "nightlife" which you can get a fair dose of in medium sized cities.

[impartialobserver]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Really ?  Then why are they always leaving ?

Most people I know in the city are here because their people are here or for $. It *helps* if you like the culture but few people I know live here for that.  More people like "nightlife" which you can get a fair dose of in medium sized cities.

First, the population in the US is becoming more urban so not sure what you are talking about when you say they are always leaving.

 

Second, it is a general thing. Every time I talk to someone in Boise, Reno, Salt Lake City, San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, Las Vegas etc.. when you mention a town of less than 20k... you get the usual roll of the eyes. Yes, xyzville with population of 1,400 is charming but it is a s**hole full of 40-pt IQ rednecks who barely are house broke. Or that is the general perception of my conversations with them. 

[Michael Hardner]

7 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

1. First, the population in the US is becoming more urban so not sure what you are talking about when you say they are always leaving.

2. Second, it is a general thing. Every time I talk to someone in Boise, Reno, Salt Lake City, San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, Las Vegas etc.. when you mention a town of less than 20k... you get the usual roll of the eyes. Yes, xyzville with population of 1,400 is charming but it is a s**hole full of 40-pt IQ rednecks who barely are house broke. Or that is the general perception of my conversations with them. 

1. They leave.  Everyone I know wants to leave.  The population is increasing due to foreigners.
2. They need to love rednecks.  The key is to not mention politics or your gay satanic cousin.... I am a redneck at heart...

[impartialobserver]

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

1. They leave.  Everyone I know wants to leave.  The population is increasing due to foreigners.
2. They need to love rednecks.  The key is to not mention politics or your gay satanic cousin.... I am a redneck at heart...

Can you prove that first claim with raw data? No links, no opinions, no articles. Understood?

They do not need to love anyone. They willingly choose to live in a city and like the comfort/options of it. When I go to the more rural places with or without kids... I simply leave politics out. Why? Because I do not actually care all that much about politics. Therefore, it is not all that difficult. 

[Michael Hardner]

18 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

1. Can you prove that first claim with raw data? No links, no opinions, no articles. Understood?

2. They do not need to love anyone.  

1. No.  This says people are moving to Alberta from Ontario.  Other than that, I just have all the personal connections who are leaving....

https://dailyhive.com/canada/moving-to-alberta-last-year-migration-up

2. No.  But they should.

[impartialobserver]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. No.  This says people are moving to Alberta from Ontario.  Other than that, I just have all the personal connections who are leaving....

https://dailyhive.com/canada/moving-to-alberta-last-year-migration-up

2. No.  But they should.

They should because you say so... Ok, that makes so much sense.

In the US, if you look at migration data from the Census you discover that they are not moving from Urban area to the country. Instead, they are moving from one urban area to yet another urban area. The only exceptions are somewhat dubious.. the bedroom community that is 20 to 30 miles from the major metro. 

 

[Infidel Dog]

Back on topic for a sec...

This one is worth a read:

Stopping “Woke”? Florida HB 7, The Bill That Attempts To Put Florida Employers’ DEI Efforts To Sleep

It's by a lawyer who's final message is "Stay Woke."

But it gives lots of useful information.

She prefers the label DEI (Diversity Equity and Inclusion) to CRT.

She gives a long list of behaviors that HB 7 will seek to outlaw.

Here's the first three:

"

Members of one race, color, sex, or national origin are morally superior to members of another race, color, sex, or national origin.

An individual, by virtue of his or her race, color, sex, or national origin, is inherently racist, sexist, or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously.

An individual’s moral character or status as either privileged or oppressed is necessarily determined by his or her race, color, sex, or national origin." 

 https://www.natlawreview.com/article/stopping-woke-florida-hb-7-bill-attempts-to-put-florida-employers-dei-efforts-to

There are 4 more offered by her.

But she tells us there is hope. You can still get around the law by not mandating the "learning," proving it is objective or offering it only as choice.

On the other hand, here's what the other side is saying concerning what's in HB 7:

"

 Today, Governor Ron DeSantis signed House Bill (HB) 7, to give businesses, employees, children and families tools to stand up against discrimination and woke indoctrination. The bill includes provisions to prevent discriminatory instruction in the workplace and in public schools and defines individual freedoms based on the fundamental truth that all individuals are equal before the law and have inalienable rights. This legislation is the first of its kind in the nation to take on both corporate wokeness and Critical Race Theory in schools in one act. Read more here.

“No one should be instructed to feel as if they are not equal or shamed because of their race,” said Governor Ron DeSantis. “In Florida, we will not let the far-left woke agenda take over our schools and workplaces. There is no place for indoctrination or discrimination in Florida.”

“By signing this legislation, which is the first in the nation to end corporate wokeness and Critical Race Theory in our schools, we are prioritizing education not indoctrination,” said Lieutenant Governor Jeanette Nuñez. “We will always fight to protect our children and parents from this Marxist-inspired curriculum.”

https://www.flgov.com/2022/04/22/governor-ron-desantis-signs-legislation-to-protect-floridians-from-discrimination-and-woke-indoctrination/

So that's what actually is in HB 7 according to both sides and no, there is not any current curriculum denying the existence or race of Rosa Parks that came out of it. That was a lie perpetrated by the New York Times and The Hill.

 

Edited March 20 by Infidel Dog

[Nationalist]

On 3/19/2023 at 8:28 AM, Rebound said:

“Many experts agree that fascism is a mass political movement that emphasizes extreme nationalism, militarism, and the supremacy of both the nation and the single, powerful leader over the individual citizen. This model of government stands in contrast to liberal democracies, which support individual rights, competitive elections, and political dissent.“

Interesting.

"Many experts"...ya...right. And many don't agree. Be that as it is...

Individual rights...like free speech...like equal application of the law...

Competitive elections...like keeping vital information from the public just before an election...

Political dissent...like many of the Americans in jail today simply for wondering into the Capital...like the government working with information and news sources to create a narrative...

You Libbies might wanna consider not trying to sell snake oil. Almost everything the left has done since about 2015 has been destructive and rather imposing. You have grown the government and rusted a well oiled machine. You toss about terms like "fascist" like you know what you're talking about. You don't. That much is obvious from your own actions.

[BeaverFever]

On 3/20/2023 at 2:23 PM, Deluge said:

Nope. Anything that even has a whiff of CRT in it needs to go. 

“Whiff of CRT” = mentioning any Black people in a positive way  

 

Or, any random person place or thing that displeases any random conservative  

 

[BeaverFever]

On 3/20/2023 at 11:34 AM, Deluge said:

The story of Rosa Parks and the Civil Rights movement have to be presented in a non-politicized environment - meaning, if a white kid goes home feeling like he's a total jerk because he's white, then the teacher failed in her delivery and should be fired immediately.

Do you think today's liberal teachers can present that kind of information without brow beating white kids? 

Great point Adolf. Go have a bonfire and goose-step around it for the glory of the white race. 

[impartialobserver]

There is no way to objectively present information and then control the reaction that someone has to it. I learned of Rosa Parks in the 6th grade and thought, "yeah, it would have sucked to have been black in 1965 or so in the South"

 

[bcsapper]

People who worry about the truth when historical events are taught are a bunch of sissies.

I never for a moment felt any personal responsibility for anything anyone white ever did.   Or anyone British. 

Some of your ancestors were jerks.  Too bad, suck it up!

[BeaverFever]

8 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

People who worry about the truth when historical events are taught are a bunch of sissies.

I never for a moment felt any personal responsibility for anything anyone white ever did.   Or anyone British. 

Some of your ancestors were jerks.  Too bad, suck it up!

Everyone’s ancestors were jerks. There are no exceptions.   Some people just can’t accept that. 

Edited March 21 by BeaverFever

[Deluge]

38 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Great point Adolf. Go have a bonfire and goose-step around it for the glory of the white race. 

It's an excellent point, Jim Crow, thank you for acknowledging that fact. 

You know, you racists wouldn't be so bad if you'd just pull your heads out of the left's ass.

[Deluge]

46 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

“Whiff of CRT” = mentioning any Black people in a positive way  

 

Or, any random person place or thing that displeases any random conservative  

 

It's too bad the left doesn't paint black people in a positive way. In talking to you racists, one would think that all blacks everywhere are helpless and stupid. lol

CRT is trash and so are its adherents. 

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, Deluge said:

It's too bad the left doesn't paint black people in a positive way. In talking to you racists, one would think that all blacks everywhere are helpless and stupid. lol

CRT is trash and so are its adherents. 

What? You make no sense. You’re the racist one who wants to hide the stories of people like Rosa Parks beating you’re unnecessarily worried about how THE TRUTH would make white people feel. Fasces

Edited March 21 by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, Deluge said:

It's an excellent point, Jim Crow, thank you for acknowledging that fact. 

You know, you racists wouldn't be so bad if you'd just pull your heads out of the left's ass.

I’m not surprised you think racist aren’t so w, you’ll be pleased to know you’re one of them and they’re all on the right. 

[Deluge]

Just now, BeaverFever said:

What? You make no sense. You’re the racist one who wants to hide the stories of people like Rosa Parks beating you’re unnecessarily worried about how it would make white people feel. Fasces

History can be taught just fine without bringing the Rosa Parks beating to the forefront. We're not going to let you stinking race hustlers guilt white kids into submission. 

[Deluge]

7 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

I’m not surprised you think racist aren’t so w, you’ll be pleased to know you’re one of them and they’re all on the right. 

Racism is all left all the time. It's why you treat black people like adorable mor*ns. You can't stfu about them. 

Edited March 21 by Deluge

[BeaverFever]

3 hours ago, Deluge said:

Racism is all left all the time. It's why you treat black people like adorable mor*ns. You can't stfu about them. 

KKK endorsed Trump.  Grand Wizard David Duke ran as a Republican. Republicans in the south fight to keep revering confederates as heroes while opposing reverence for civil rights leaders like Rosa Parks. In fact during my lifetime every living civil rights activist who marched with MLK such as Jesse Jackson and John Lewis were targets of seething Republican hatred as were later activists like Al Sharpton  

As for the people who think Black people are mor*ns, Republicans are the ones who suggest that the black race has been “tricked” into voting Democrat and are too dumb to realize they should vote Republican. 

[BeaverFever]

3 hours ago, Deluge said:

History can be taught just fine without bringing the Rosa Parks beating to the forefront. We're not going to let you stinking race hustlers guilt white kids into submission. 

Nobody feels guilt that’s made up nonsense. Everyone up until now has learned these facts of history without experiencing those alleged “guilt.” Why do think today’s youth need to be sheltered from facts that other generations weee taught?

What about the Republican saying “the facts don’t care about your feelings”?  I highly doubt you plan to erase WW2 or 9/11 from the textbooks in order to avoid causing Germans or Muslims to feel guilt right?  You’re only concerned about narratives that reflect on “white” Americans  Sure, nothing racist about that! 😉

 

There are so many layers of absurdity in your comments:

1) You ridiculously believe that white people will feel personal guilt if they learn historical truths, which is of course false  

2) You ridiculously believe that this dubious feeling of “guilt” that a white person might feel whenhearing these stories is so horrible for society that something must be done, which is a blatantly racist statement, not to mention hypocritical of everything that Republicans claim to stand foe  

3) Therefore, you true history must be censored, the facts must be hidden and books must be banned, which is such a fascist thing to say it’s practically ripped right out of Mein Kampf. 

[BeaverFever]

On 3/20/2023 at 3:32 PM, Infidel Dog said:

Back on topic for a sec...

This one is worth a read:

Stopping “Woke”? Florida HB 7, The Bill That Attempts To Put Florida Employers’ DEI Efforts To Sleep

It's by a lawyer who's final message is "Stay Woke."

But it gives lots of useful information.

She prefers the label DEI (Diversity Equity and Inclusion) to CRT.

She gives a long list of behaviors that HB 7 will seek to outlaw.

Here's the first three:

"

Members of one race, color, sex, or national origin are morally superior to members of another race, color, sex, or national origin.

An individual, by virtue of his or her race, color, sex, or national origin, is inherently racist, sexist, or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously.

An individual’s moral character or status as either privileged or oppressed is necessarily determined by his or her race, color, sex, or national origin." 

 https://www.natlawreview.com/article/stopping-woke-florida-hb-7-bill-attempts-to-put-florida-employers-dei-efforts-to

There are 4 more offered by her.

But she tells us there is hope. You can still get around the law by not mandating the "learning," proving it is objective or offering it only as choice.

On the other hand, here's what the other side is saying concerning what's in HB 7:

"

 Today, Governor Ron DeSantis signed House Bill (HB) 7, to give businesses, employees, children and families tools to stand up against discrimination and woke indoctrination. The bill includes provisions to prevent discriminatory instruction in the workplace and in public schools and defines individual freedoms based on the fundamental truth that all individuals are equal before the law and have inalienable rights. This legislation is the first of its kind in the nation to take on both corporate wokeness and Critical Race Theory in schools in one act. Read more here.

“No one should be instructed to feel as if they are not equal or shamed because of their race,” said Governor Ron DeSantis. “In Florida, we will not let the far-left woke agenda take over our schools and workplaces. There is no place for indoctrination or discrimination in Florida.”

“By signing this legislation, which is the first in the nation to end corporate wokeness and Critical Race Theory in our schools, we are prioritizing education not indoctrination,” said Lieutenant Governor Jeanette Nuñez. “We will always fight to protect our children and parents from this Marxist-inspired curriculum.”

https://www.flgov.com/2022/04/22/governor-ron-desantis-signs-legislation-to-protect-floridians-from-discrimination-and-woke-indoctrination/

So that's what actually is in HB 7 according to both sides and no, there is not any current curriculum denying the existence or race of Rosa Parks that came out of it. That was a lie perpetrated by the New York Times and The Hill.

 

As the publisher YOU LINKED TO SAID, HB7 was issued with very broad language and no guidance,  or instruction on how to interpret it comply, and Rosa Parks was edited in an effort to comply.   In fact just like most Republican laws they are purposely written to be broad and vague so that they can be used to intimidate everyone and be wielded as weapons against virtually anyone. 
 

Your arguments are getting more and more desperate. First we heard from you that it didn’t happen it’s all fake news. Then you admitted it’s real but HILARIOUSLY said it must clearly be the work of mysterious anonymous liberal covert James Bond style sleeper agents who had infiltrated this publisher and have working  undercover for god knows how long just waiting for their chance to do something to embarrass a Republican.  Didn’t you recently post something about people not believing their  lying eyes?” If you truly think your eyes saw evidence of the covert agent’s you’re clearly hallucinating  Now you’ve resorted to “HB 7 doesn’t specifically say to edit the section on Rosa Parks found on page x of textbook y”   
 

Edited March 22 by BeaverFever