Canadian Catholic student arrested for saying men are different from women.

[Americana Antifa]

6 hours ago, I am Groot said:

You are not exactly holding true to your name. You'd be canceled for this belief in many places.

That is what right-wing media wants you to think. The truth is, most people don't care about your personal sexual preferences. Well, at least most people who aren't right-wing weirdos obsessed with hating LGBT people.

6 hours ago, I am Groot said:

That's an odd position to take unless you're going to be brazenly hypocritical and say only women and not men should have that right.

I think as long as it's private property, people should be allowed to self-segregate however they want. If you own a bar and only want to hire and serve men, I think that's stupid, but it should be legal.

6 hours ago, I am Groot said:

But even with that the Trans activists and now government continue to insist males who identify as women should be treated like females in such things as inclusion in female spaces (changing rooms, showers, bathroom, gyms, shelters, sports, etc). 

Yes, they should. Just because transphobia is for incel losers, doesn't mean it should be illegal.

6 hours ago, I am Groot said:

 

It's not. There are a miniscule number of males who are pedophiles who would be sexually attracted to young boys. But all males (excluding gays) feel sexual attraction to females.

Actually, the studies on pedophilia show that pedos don't really differentiate much between boys and girls. Basically, pedos aren't attracted to boys or girls, they're attracted to children.

Now that being said, I think parents shouldn't leave their kids alone in vulnerable areas, such as public bathrooms or locker rooms. However, the Right only cares about this when they can use it to demonize trans people. We never hear them say not to leave your young boys alone in the men's room, because they don't really care about child abuse.

6 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Nonsense. The Left does not agree with freedom of speech if it offends them, nor with freedom of religion except for religions that are not considered 'white'. For Islam or other religions not native to Canada they're enthusiastically in favor of freedom. I don't know anyone who doesn't believe in equality before the law or democracy, except some American Republicans. And they're mostly Trumpists.

Name some mainstream leftists who support policy that would restrict speech or religion. Not some random-ass person in the comments section of a youtube video, because they don't represent popular leftist views, but a leftist who has a large following.

And by the way, Trump isn't just some guy. He's easily the most popular Republican with a following that dwarfs every other Republican. The fact that he's against freedom of speech and he still has this huge following shows that conservatives are generally against free speech. In America, the face of the Left is Bernie Sanders, the face of the Center is Joe Biden, and the face of the Right is Donald Trump. Only one of those guys is a fash.

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

It's not only based on the nazi conspiracy theory of "Cultural Bolshevism," but it's pretty much the exact same thing. So how exactly is this not a nazi conspiracy theory?

You need to read more books on cultural theory and political philosophy.  Sorry but it’s got nothing to do with conspiracy theories, Nazism, or both.  I think you’re referring to 1930’s Nazi attacks on Bolshevism.  Yeah sure, but the National Socialists also linked American bankers and Jews.  Basically they smeared many groups and supported a pseudoscientific cause grounded in bogus eugenics and racism.

Bolshevsm itself is a bullying theft and redistribution of property.  The ends justify the means.  Murder of the Romanov royals and removing opposition by force is justified in the name of creating a workers’ paradise that never comes.  Read Alexander Solzhenitsyn to get an encyclopedic history of Stalinism and the gulags.

Nazism, while seemingly on the opposite end of the political spectrum, was worse than Bolshevism in ideology because of its literal genocide of Jewish people, but as many as 70 million Soviets died under Stalinism, including some 20 million in WW2.  Yes Trotsky was better than Stalin, but a revolution born of murder made Trotsky’s murder probable.

You need to be specific in your use of language and understand the terms you’re using.  Cultural Marxism describes a condition of materialism and commodification of everyone and everything, because nothing has value except inasmuch as it plays a role in the capitalist class struggle (and subsequent revolution). Cultural Bolshevism is a similar term.

The bottom line is that with Cultural Marxism you’re exhibiting Maoist-type Cultural Revolution ideas, the idea that one must be for the revolution or be re-educated to follow the path outlined by the Vanguard of the Proletariat.  Opposition is counter-revolutionary and unacceptable.  Everyone must think and act a certain way for the revolution to be successful.

It’s very arguable that wokism, EDI directives, and ESG stakeholder capitalism present a new cultural revolution, but the puritanical policing of language has happened before (consider book banning over the decades). It’s new to see attacks on free thinking and free speech become so normalized in supposedly democratic capitalist western countries, yet this cultural phenomena was underway and described decades ago.  We’re seeing it bloom more fully now.

 

Edited March 22, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[Americana Antifa]

4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You need to read more books on cultural theory and political philosophy.  Sorry but it’s got nothing to do with conspiracy theories, Nazism, or both.  I think you’re referring to 1930’s Nazi attacks on Bolshevism.  Yeah sure, but the National Socialists also linked American bankers and Jews.  Basically they smeared many groups and supported a pseudoscientific cause grounded in bogus eugenics and racism.

And the conspiracy theory that they used to smear these many groups is pretty much the exact same conspiracy theory as Cultural Marxism. Even if you don't believe in racial eugenics or that the Jews are behind the conspiracy, you still believe in Nazism, just without the racial elements. Basically, you're a fascist, but not a nazi.

4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Bolshevsm itself is a bullying theft and redistribution of property.  The ends justify the means.  Murder of the Romanov royals and removing opposition by force is justified in the name of creating a workers’ paradise that never comes.  Read Alexander Solzhenitsyn to get an encyclopedic history of Stalinism and the gulags.

I'm not defending Bolshevism or tankies. I'm saying the nazi theories about Bolshevism were wrong. I don't believe the Jews were weakening Germany by promoting "degeneracy" in order to convert the Germans to Bolsheviks. Apparently you do believe this is happening now, just without the Jews being behind it.

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You need to be specific in your use of language and understand the terms you’re using.  Cultural Marxism described a condition of materialism and commodification of everyone and everything, because nothing has value except inasmuch as it plays a role in the capitalist class struggle (and subsequent revolution). Cultural Bolshevism is a similar term.

The bottom line is that you’re exhibiting Maoist-type Cultural Revolution ideas, the idea that one must be for the revolution or be re-educated to follow the path outlined by the Vanguard of the Proletariat.  Opposition is counter-revolutionary and unacceptable. 

No, Cultural Marxism and Cultural Bolshevism are not real ideologies. They were invented by nazis as conspiracy theories, they don't actually exist.

Funny enough, the Frankfurt School didn't like much of the art that the nazis considered "degenerate." They felt that the over-sexualization of art was a product of Capitalism which plays to the lowest common denominator. And when it came to feminism and LGBT issues, the marxists were progressive for their time, but not great. Meanwhile, in Bolshevik Russia, they were putting LGBT people into gulags. The idea that bolshevists thought by promoting homosexuality, they were going to turn Germans onto Communism is insane.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Yes.

well at least you admit you're a bigot and hate monger

3 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

First of all, I'm not parroting nazi conspiracy theories.

Sure you are. The idea that certain political classes are an inferior breed is definitely one of theirs.

3 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Secondly, I didn't lie.

So far you havent' even started to tell the truth. All you have are lies. Frankly with that level of lies and hatred you're making the nazi's look good.  As a person, you should be deeply deeply ashamed of yourself. But of course you're not, you're THAT kind of person.

[Americana Antifa]

35 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

well at least you admit you're a bigot and hate monger

I am pretty bigoted towards stupid muschis.

35 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Sure you are. The idea that certain political classes are an inferior breed is definitely one of theirs.

Not really. They believed that their political enemies were being manipulated as part of a conspiracy. Plus, what I'm saying has actual science to back it up.

35 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So far you havent' even started to tell the truth. All you have are lies. Frankly with that level of lies and hatred you're making the nazi's look good.  As a person, you should be deeply deeply ashamed of yourself. But of course you're not, you're THAT kind of person.

Name one lie I told.

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

But when it comes to people who are anti-reality, all you can really do is make fun of how stupid and cowardly they are.

When you can't quantify your reality, it becomes subjective at best.

6 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

turned their brain to soup?

If someone firmly believe there are unlimited genders, how are any to feel any differently about this person's logic?

If they are petrified to describe the word woman? A word that before recent, was easily defined. Some dictionaries have even modified the definition to fall in line.

If they feel dismantling society, and essentially forcing socialism upon people, without a care of unintended consequences for doing so, how is one to view the person as logical?

Spew hatred against political rivals, clearly showing they haven't traveled outside of their environment, as if they had, they would see how ridiculous that it looks.

Its easy to throw stones. 

Harder to have a debate and stick to the points made, vs attacking the person making those points.

[Michael Hardner]

8 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Okay so with regard to Ottawa-Carleton, nothing this parent said in his presentation was hateful.  He was sharing the legitimate safety concerns of thousands of parents in his school district. What about the rights of biological females to feel safe?   This parent actually referenced that an all-gender one person washroom is available to students, so why alienate a substantial portion of the population to push through an unnecessary policy that is felt to be a safety threat by many students? So much for female rights and the rights of children.  

The school has no power to change the policy at present and the parent misrepresented their presence at the meeting.

I would say painting trans people as a potential threat is not legitimate but the previous points are the primary ones here.

[Zeitgeist]

5 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

And the conspiracy theory that they used to smear these many groups is pretty much the exact same conspiracy theory as Cultural Marxism. Even if you don't believe in racial eugenics or that the Jews are behind the conspiracy, you still believe in Nazism, just without the racial elements. Basically, you're a fascist, but not a nazi.

I'm not defending Bolshevism or tankies. I'm saying the nazi theories about Bolshevism were wrong. I don't believe the Jews were weakening Germany by promoting "degeneracy" in order to convert the Germans to Bolsheviks. Apparently you do believe this is happening now, just without the Jews being behind it.

No, Cultural Marxism and Cultural Bolshevism are not real ideologies. They were invented by nazis as conspiracy theories, they don't actually exist.

Funny enough, the Frankfurt School didn't like much of the art that the nazis considered "degenerate." They felt that the over-sexualization of art was a product of Capitalism which plays to the lowest common denominator. And when it came to feminism and LGBT issues, the marxists were progressive for their time, but not great. Meanwhile, in Bolshevik Russia, they were putting LGBT people into gulags. The idea that bolshevists thought by promoting homosexuality, they were going to turn Germans onto Communism is insane.

Your comments are insulting to anyone who has lost family members in the Holocaust.  I see now that your Chicken Little hysterics are actually what’s fueling division and culture wars, because you call anyone who is well informed and disagrees with you a Nazi or fascist.  It’s inaccurate, unfair, and grossly irresponsible.  Hardner is agreeing with some of your stupid points and totally asleep at the wheel as a moderator.

You’re going to try to use the Frankfurt School to back up your shallow knowledge?   I actually know a lot about these figures.  I studied figures like Horkheimer and Adorno.  I know all about the Nazi attacks on the art of the Bauhaus.  You have a lot to learn about these subjects.  I’ve visited concentration camps and listened to the nightmare stories.  Read books like Night.  Learn about the horrific injustices of Nazism and stop making ridiculous comparisons between those horrors and people who call out Maoist or Bolshevist aspects of our current culture.

Here’s a strong commentary from a half Jewish liberal influencer you might know, another Nazi or fascist by your definition:

 

Edited March 22, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[I am Groot]

11 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds. ?

But when it comes to people who are anti-reality, all you can really do is make fun of how stupid and cowardly they are.

The irony of the same person posting these sentences together... ?

[I am Groot]

10 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

I think as long as it's private property, people should be allowed to self-segregate however they want. If you own a bar and only want to hire and serve men, I think that's stupid, but it should be legal.

Yes, they should. Just because transphobia is for incel losers, doesn't mean it should be illegal.

You are all over the map here and making no sense whatsoever. You're okay with women-only or man-only spaces but you start flinging insults at the idea of a female-only space. Yet there are sound reasons for female-only spaces.

10 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Name some mainstream leftists who support policy that would restrict speech or religion.

Justin Trudeau and Jagmeet Singh. See their recent bills on controlling the internet as examples.  

 

[blackbird]

12 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Social media and Fox News are full of people calling for genocide against trans people

  Have heard no reports on the news about anybody calling for genocide.  Pure hyperbole.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I see now that your Chicken Little hysterics are actually what’s fueling division and culture wars, because you call anyone who is well informed and disagrees with you a Nazi or fascist.

This is the left wing these days. Sure there are moderate people on the left - but the farther left usually find them and beat them into submission pretty quick

but interestingly this is EXACTLY what the nazi's used as their method for gaining power. Divide people into groups, then set one group on another smaller group and offer to help the group deal with the 'problem" of the smaller group.

It's "real" germans against the gypsies! No - the Jews! No it's socialists agains the Commies, no it's germany against the evil trio (B, F, US), No - it's POLAND that's the real threat.

And they're hardly alone or even innovative in that. Gov'ts long before and after have used it.  Obama formed the intersectional coalition based on that - turn gays, blacks, hispanics, trans, immigrants etc etc into little groups and get them to hate other people by fanning the culture wars and spreading division and hate. Then step in and say i'm on your side and scoop the votes.

[CdnFox]

36 minutes ago, blackbird said:

  Have heard no reports on the news about anybody calling for genocide.  Pure hyperbole.

I'm not finding anything like that either. Just more hatred based attempts at dividing people.

[Americana Antifa]

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

  Have heard no reports on the news about anybody calling for genocide.  Pure hyperbole.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/cpac-speaker-transgender-people-eradicated-1234690924/

 

 

[Americana Antifa]

5 hours ago, I am Groot said:

The irony of the same person posting these sentences together... ?

I'm sorry, I didn't think you were this stupid. I don't mean literally every liberal is secretly a fascist. The phrase refers to how fascists often pose as liberals, because liberalism maintains the status quo. It's a tactic to get people to stop fighting fascism, while other fascists continue pushing society to the Right. Tim Pool is a good example of a fascist in liberal clothing.

[Michael Hardner]

4 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/cpac-speaker-transgender-people-eradicated-1234690924/

Well ok but this is based on eliminating the 'ism', which is equivalent to conversion therapy.  So, not humane but also not elimination of humans.  People who love to twist words are best suited to the propaganda fight here, I find.  I look at the religious people in my life and they are focusing on making life better for LGBTQ+.  The angry ill-guided religious people get all the press, wonder why...

[Americana Antifa]

5 hours ago, I am Groot said:

You are all over the map here and making no sense whatsoever. You're okay with women-only or man-only spaces but you start flinging insults at the idea of a female-only space. Yet there are sound reasons for female-only spaces.

No, dipshit, I said it should all be legal. That doesn't mean any of them are good. Like I said, it should be legal for people to self-segregate themselves however they want as long as it's on private property. However, I think segregation based on sex or gender is stupid.

So yeah, female-only spaces should be legal, but I still think segregation based on sex is stupid.

[Americana Antifa]

10 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

If someone firmly believe there are unlimited genders, how are any to feel any differently about this person's logic?

So here's the thing about that. When I explain why gender is a social construct based on culture not biology, you understand why there can never be a set number for genders, the same way there can never be a set number for religions. But because you're anti-reality, you just keep repeating the same talking-points like an NPC. So really, all I can do is roast you for being a retard.

I can repeat the fact that different societies have different numbers of genders, but do you care? You rather just be a drone.

10 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

If they are petrified to describe the word woman? A word that before recent, was easily defined. Some dictionaries have even modified the definition to fall in line.

Nobody is petrified to describe a woman. Again, you're being an NPC.

10 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

If they feel dismantling society, and essentially forcing socialism upon people, without a care of unintended consequences for doing so, how is one to view the person as logical?

Did you know that stupid people are more likely to believe conspiracy theories with no evidence? 

[Zeitgeist]

11 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

So here's the thing about that. When I explain why gender is a social construct based on culture not biology, you understand why there can never be a set number for genders, the same way there can never be a set number for religions. But because you're anti-reality, you just keep repeating the same talking-points like an NPC. So really, all I can do is roast you for being a retard.

I can repeat the fact that different societies have different numbers of genders, but do you care? You rather just be a drone.

Nobody is petrified to describe a woman. Again, you're being an NPC.

Did you know that stupid people are more likely to believe conspiracy theories with no evidence? 

So biological fact isn’t reality?  Your confused self-contradictory arguments tell me all I need to know about you.  Also stop throwing around the slur “retard”. 

[Americana Antifa]

9 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Your comments are insulting to anyone who has lost family members in the Holocaust.  

How dare I say someone promoting Nazism is promoting Nazism!!

No, when people say "never again," this is what they mean. Never again should society just stand around while an authoritarian party comes to power. Never again should we all just watch while the first stage of genocide begins. THAT would be insulting to people who lost family in the Holocaust, the Holodomor, the Armenian Genocide, or any other large-scale genocide by an authoritarian government.

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I see now that your Chicken Little hysterics are actually what’s fueling division and culture wars, because you call anyone who is well informed and disagrees with you a Nazi or fascist.

Oh yes, Republicans calling for genocide against trans people isn't the issue. It's actually me calling them out for it, that's the real issue. Gosh, why can't leftists just let fascists do their thing in peace?

And if you believe in "Cultural Marxism" then you're not well-informed, you're a mark who fell for a conspiracy theory created by nazis. And because you're too much of a coward to defend your nazi ideas, you're just pretending that I'm calling you a nazi for disagreeing with me.

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I actually know a lot about these figures.  I studied figures like Horkheimer and Adorno. 

No you don't. If you did, then you wouldn't fall for a conspiracy theory about the Frankfurt School that is completely inaccurate.

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Here’s a strong commentary from a half Jewish liberal influencer you might know, another Nazi or fascist by your definition:

Bill Maher is stupid, even for a liberal. And I don't care what his ethnicity is, being part Jewish doesn't automatically make him correct.

[Zeitgeist]

32 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

How dare I say someone promoting Nazism is promoting Nazism!!

No, when people say "never again," this is what they mean. Never again should society just stand around while an authoritarian party comes to power. Never again should we all just watch while the first stage of genocide begins. THAT would be insulting to people who lost family in the Holocaust, the Holodomor, the Armenian Genocide, or any other large-scale genocide by an authoritarian government.

Oh yes, Republicans calling for genocide against trans people isn't the issue. It's actually me calling them out for it, that's the real issue. Gosh, why can't leftists just let fascists do their thing in peace?

And if you believe in "Cultural Marxism" then you're not well-informed, you're a mark who fell for a conspiracy theory created by nazis. And because you're too much of a coward to defend your nazi ideas, you're just pretending that I'm calling you a nazi for disagreeing with me.

No you don't. If you did, then you wouldn't fall for a conspiracy theory about the Frankfurt School that is completely inaccurate.

Bill Maher is stupid, even for a liberal. And I don't care what his ethnicity is, being part Jewish doesn't automatically make him correct.

Are you for real?  Your posts are immature, inaccurate, shrill, extreme, and insulting.  

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

I'm sorry, I didn't think you were this stupid. I don't mean literally every liberal is secretly a fascist. The phrase refers to how fascists often pose as liberals, because liberalism maintains the status quo.

How about giving us some examples of fascists posing as liberals. Because oddly enough I can't seem to think of any. I doubt anyone else here can either. Clearly, you have different sources of information unbeknownst to mere mortals.

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

It's a tactic to get people to stop fighting fascism, while other fascists continue pushing society to the Right. Tim Pool is a good example of a fascist in liberal clothing.

As I suspected, you use the term 'fascist' as an epithet to hurl at anyone whose views you dislike simply because you heard it's a bad thing to be. This individual, who I'd never heard before, reads like someone who started out left wing and over some years converted to what the Americans call 'conservative'. He's a Trump supporter and anti-vaccine campaigner. There's nothing liberal about him. On the other hand, there's nothing fascist about him either.

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

No, dipshit, I said it should all be legal. That doesn't mean any of them are good. Like I said, it should be legal for people to self-segregate themselves however they want as long as it's on private property. However, I think segregation based on sex or gender is stupid.

So yeah, female-only spaces should be legal, but I still think segregation based on sex is stupid.

Why do you think segregation based on sex is stupid? Do you think males and females should play the same sports. Do you think that's fair? Do you think males and female should be in the same shower rooms and changing rooms together? Do you think females would be comfortable with that? Or most males, for that matter? Do you care? 

It doesn't sound to me like you're a very deep thinker. You seem to have latched onto this trans issue as somehow im portant but you don't really understand the implications or consequences. Nor do you seem to have a mind inquiring enough to care.

 

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/cpac-speaker-transgender-people-eradicated-1234690924/

 

 

Part of the article says "She noted their support for bills to deprive transgender people of gender affirming medical care, bans on using public bathrooms, and targeting of live performances by trans individuals." 

 So nobody is calling for genocide against trans people.  They are advocating reducing the public promotion of trans ideology, reducing gender affirming medical care which is harmful, and grooming of young people and others with the trans ideology.  That's all it is.  

[Zeitgeist]

39 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Part of the article says "She noted their support for bills to deprive transgender people of gender affirming medical care, bans on using public bathrooms, and targeting of live performances by trans individuals." 

 So nobody is calling for genocide against trans people.  They are advocating reducing the public promotion of trans ideology, reducing gender affirming medical care which is harmful, and grooming of young people and others with the trans ideology.  That's all it is.  

This is what happens when people start pretending that facts aren’t true.  It happens when language is used incorrectly.  For example, genocide means killing of a people, not accidentally but intentionally.  Some people think that saying or doing things that some members of a particular identity group might find offensive is genocide.

Fascism denotes right-wing totalitarianism wherein the state and state-sanctioned business dictate how citizens must act with little or no recourse to constitutional or other rights, as the state is the sole arbiter of what is acceptable and the courts follow suit.  Certain individuals and groups that run afoul of state-dictated behaviour are persecuted.  This can happen for superficial reasons such as one’s skin colour or ethnicity.

Some radicals incorrectly use the word fascist to label anyone who isn’t a communist or socialist or anyone who is a conservative or simply not left enough.

Saying things that aren’t true is clearly dangerous and can be highly destructive.  I don’t know why this has to be stated.  What should be obvious simply isn’t so to some people.

Edited March 22, 2023 by Zeitgeist