OftenWrong Posted February 25, 2023 Report Posted February 25, 2023 2 hours ago, bcsapper said: Yeah, absolutely. Don't hold your breath, though. Perhaps the article is the first chink in the woke's armour. Reasonable people see through their bull-loney. It's about time, thank gawd... Quote
Mako Posted February 25, 2023 Author Report Posted February 25, 2023 (edited) On 2/24/2023 at 1:36 PM, robosmith said: Just because YOU FOUND a pro-life propaganda site, does NOT make me WRONG. There’s no such thing as a “late-term abortion” Why do you think this study from a pro-abortion organization is wrong?https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1363/psrh.12190 More facts for you to ignore: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1363/4521013 Now admit you were wrong, or if you prefer, expose yourself as someone indifferent to the truth. Edited February 25, 2023 by Mako Quote Pro-genocide CdnFox wrote: “The path to peace is hamas and gaza accept the jewish state's right to exist 100 percent and lay down their arms. OR they all die.”
Mako Posted February 25, 2023 Author Report Posted February 25, 2023 (edited) Back to the initial topic… Many Blacks are angry about the Jewish role in the slave trade. https://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/Holocaust/austen.html Quote: “John Hope Franklin and I (we discussed it afterwards) were both aware that Sephardi Jews in the New World had been heavily involved in the African slave trade. Why did two professional historians in a university setting hesitate to provide our colleagues with such an important piece of information?” Edited February 25, 2023 by Mako Quote Pro-genocide CdnFox wrote: “The path to peace is hamas and gaza accept the jewish state's right to exist 100 percent and lay down their arms. OR they all die.”
Michael Hardner Posted February 25, 2023 Report Posted February 25, 2023 5 hours ago, bcsapper said: The book might be great. The article seems to be a case of wanting to have your cake and eat it too. How so? It's just a clear examination of the dominance of identity politics and the effects. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Guest Posted February 25, 2023 Report Posted February 25, 2023 17 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: How so? It's just a clear examination of the dominance of identity politics and the effects. It seems to me a case of, if it's justified, it's left wing. If it's not, it's something else. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 25, 2023 Report Posted February 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, bcsapper said: It seems to me a case of, if it's justified, it's left wing. If it's not, it's something else. I don't understand. If what is justified? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Guest Posted February 25, 2023 Report Posted February 25, 2023 Just now, Michael Hardner said: I don't understand. If what is justified? The views. The article implies only some of the views are left wing. Just the good ones. While identity politics does emphasize the traditional left-wing ideas of empathy and facing up to the wrongs of the past, Neiman says many woke people make the mistake of concluding “all history is criminal.” Therefore, they subconsciously assume progress is not possible. The woke fail to recognize how public torture was once well-received, but has become repugnant since the Enlightenment, she says. Neiman supports Black Lives Matter, but notes the U.S. has come a long way since Black and white people were not allowed to eat at the same lunch counter. Unlike wokeism, the civil rights movement of Martin Luther King was committed to universalism, justice and progress. There's no left "cut off" there. Those views are all left wing. Quote
herbie Posted February 25, 2023 Report Posted February 25, 2023 9 hours ago, OftenWrong said: The left is a spectrum, this is the extreme part of it. In other words, this is where it goes. Own what you are. So you have decided for everyone. Tossing your own words back... Look at your username, OWN what you are. 1 Quote
OftenWrong Posted February 25, 2023 Report Posted February 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, herbie said: So you have decided for everyone. Tossing your own words back... Look at your username, OWN what you are. You are a riot, herbie. I did not decide anything. I believe in live and let live. Or, die. It's just the woke gonna come for ya. Especially since you don't like it. You know they got a name for people like you? Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 25, 2023 Report Posted February 25, 2023 58 minutes ago, bcsapper said: There's no left "cut off" there. Those views are all left wing. It's in the underlying principles or philosophy. The post modernist sees no moral centre, ever. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Guest Posted February 26, 2023 Report Posted February 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: It's in the underlying principles or philosophy. The post modernist sees no moral centre, ever. I don't know how that relates to the article. I looked up post modernism and I'm no wiser. The article wants to abrogate responsibility for some of the more outlandish views of those on the left by simply saying they are not left wing. Okay. One can argue, from the point of view of a sane right winger, that the current idiocy going on in Florida, or the lunacy surrounding any comment by MTG, isn't right wing. But it is. I'm "old left", as defined in the article, but I'm also "old right". Both extremes are alien to me. What the author could do, if he (article) or she (book) wanted to, is ask them (the woke) whether or not they consider themselves left wing. I daresay they wouldn't like the answer too much. Quote
OftenWrong Posted February 26, 2023 Report Posted February 26, 2023 2 hours ago, herbie said: Look at your username, OWN what you are. Welcome to the club of lost political souls, bub. We've been on this island for a while now. It's not that we left our party, it's that our party left us. .... Pleased to meet you. I am a liberal. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 26, 2023 Report Posted February 26, 2023 32 minutes ago, bcsapper said: 1. One can argue, from the point of view of a sane right winger, that the current idiocy going on in Florida, or the lunacy surrounding any comment by MTG, isn't right wing. But it is. 2. I daresay they wouldn't like the answer too much. 1. Is she in the same class as Jen Bush? 2. The point is that winged politics today has lost its moorings. The naming of the movements is just a way in to the substantial part of the discussion: the left is dead. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Guest Posted February 26, 2023 Report Posted February 26, 2023 36 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: 1. Is she in the same class as Jen Bush? 2. The point is that winged politics today has lost its moorings. The naming of the movements is just a way in to the substantial part of the discussion: the left is dead. I don't know Jen Bush. Even Google doesn't know Jen Bush. Jeb Bush? No, she's worse. By a long chalk. I don't disagree that winged politics has lost its moorings. I just think that both sides of the political divide should own their extremists. (To be clear, I'm not comparing extremists) Quote
eyeball Posted February 26, 2023 Report Posted February 26, 2023 On 2/24/2023 at 3:23 PM, SpankyMcFarland said: Wait a second, are people on the right who decry woke politics, cancel culture, snowflakeism etc. etc. claiming that those who disagree with them are racist and bigoted? Isn’t that the, ahem, culturally Marxist way of debating things? What I'd to know is where all these right-wingers bellyaching about big governments and big corporations colluding with one another came from. 30 years ago you'd be cancelled on the spot as a fascist commie for doing that. I mean it's not like there isn't enough truth behind it to warrant some bellyaching but, c'mon! 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Michael Hardner Posted February 26, 2023 Report Posted February 26, 2023 8 hours ago, bcsapper said: I just think that both sides of the political divide should own their extremists. (To be clear, I'm not comparing extremists) Own, ok, but disown too. 1 Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Rebound Posted February 26, 2023 Report Posted February 26, 2023 18 hours ago, Mako said: Back to the initial topic… Many Blacks are angry about the Jewish role in the slave trade. https://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/Holocaust/austen.html Quote: “John Hope Franklin and I (we discussed it afterwards) were both aware that Sephardi Jews in the New World had been heavily involved in the African slave trade. Why did two professional historians in a university setting hesitate to provide our colleagues with such an important piece of information?” Cause something that 10 or 15 people did 350 years ago does not speak for all twenty million Jews alive today. Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
Mako Posted February 26, 2023 Author Report Posted February 26, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Rebound said: Cause something that 10 or 15 people did 350 years ago does not speak for all twenty million Jews alive today. Of course more than 10 or 15 people were involved. You can look at why antisemitism seems to be cresting in the black community or just blame black folk. Edited February 26, 2023 by Mako Quote Pro-genocide CdnFox wrote: “The path to peace is hamas and gaza accept the jewish state's right to exist 100 percent and lay down their arms. OR they all die.”
Mako Posted February 28, 2023 Author Report Posted February 28, 2023 Israel discriminates against Palestinians: https://mondoweiss.net/2015/06/database-discriminatory-israel/ Quote Pro-genocide CdnFox wrote: “The path to peace is hamas and gaza accept the jewish state's right to exist 100 percent and lay down their arms. OR they all die.”
Deluge Posted February 28, 2023 Report Posted February 28, 2023 On 2/23/2023 at 9:18 AM, Mako said: The civil war within the Left continues to rage. https://www.wsj.com/articles/farrakhan-the-womens-march-and-the-walkout-1521048993 https://www.foxnews.com/politics/antisemitic-spiked-squad-blue-states https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-disturbing-rise-of-anti-semitism-among-black-celebs-from-diddy-and-nick-cannon-to-ice-cube https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/blm-should-look-to-martin-luther-king-not-malcolm-x-for-inspiration/ https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/14/entertainment/dave-chappelle-adl-antisemitic/index.html https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fearful-jews-fleeing-france/ https://jewishjournal.com/commentary/324847/how-corbyn-breathed-anti-semitism-into-the-labour-party/ https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/nba-star-kyrie-irving-suspended-for-5-matches-over-anti-semitic-posts-3491971 https://www.adl.org/blog/anti-semitism-in-venezuela-maduro-regime-traffics-in-hateful-conspiracies https://www.fox5ny.com/news/anti-semitism-jersey-city-massacre As POC win more political victories the Left will: *Focus less on movements like the bizarre transgenderism *Strongly condemn Israeli apartheid *Increase attacks on billionaires and their ilk What a bunch of bigot hypocrites. lol Quote
YoshiyaDayan Posted February 28, 2023 Report Posted February 28, 2023 Left is antisemite Right is pro-Israel. Quote
Rebound Posted February 28, 2023 Report Posted February 28, 2023 1 hour ago, YoshiyaDayan said: Left is antisemite Right is pro-Israel. If someone disagrees with the political policies of the leadership of the State of Israel, does it make them an anti-Semite? Because that would make many Jewish voters in Israel anti-Semite, wouldn't it? Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
YoshiyaDayan Posted February 28, 2023 Report Posted February 28, 2023 No, but having and defending someone like Rep. Omar in your party that you love makes things kind of awkward, especially faced with the most pro-Israel U.S President in U.S history. Quote
Mako Posted March 1, 2023 Author Report Posted March 1, 2023 (edited) Israeli raids: https://www.npr.org/2023/02/22/1158703503/israeli-west-bank-raid-kills-10-palestinians-and-hurts-more-than-100-others https://www.vox.com/world-politics/2023/2/28/23617766/israeli-settler-rampage-palestine-violence-government Edited March 1, 2023 by Mako Quote Pro-genocide CdnFox wrote: “The path to peace is hamas and gaza accept the jewish state's right to exist 100 percent and lay down their arms. OR they all die.”
Rebound Posted March 1, 2023 Report Posted March 1, 2023 11 minutes ago, Mako said: Israeli raids: https://www.npr.org/2023/02/22/1158703503/israeli-west-bank-raid-kills-10-palestinians-and-hurts-more-than-100-others https://www.vox.com/world-politics/2023/2/28/23617766/israeli-settler-rampage-palestine-violence-government Old news. And a Palestinian retaliated last weekend by murdering two Israelis. It’s horrible. Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
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