Globe and Mail Loves Terrorists

[Army Guy]

7 hours ago, Contrarian said:

Yes but we don't own the forum. 

What is your suggestion other than just going down to their level and sticking it back with their own tactics? 

Until the environment changes, or moderators come in, I will be maintaining the same front end tackle towards stupidity. Don't care if it's controlled or not controlled.

That's not my business to look after.

Some of us have been here for years, and the current discussion is how to clean up the forums to allow for better discussions. What Michael is suggesting is refraining from your typical responses, unless your sole intention is to rid the world of people with differing opinions than yours that seem to turn you into an angry man...Your not the only one on here that is guilty of it... but your responses are the reason those other people are still here, to make you angry...your being played like a fiddle.  

Change starts with you sir... without it nothing will ever change and you'll be an angry man forever...

Change is trying to make it way to this forum, it is coming. 

 

[Army Guy]

6 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

You don't honestly believe I am some elitist sitting somewhere with a computer? 

The reason i use such term is to disarm someone that thinks because they are angry, they have truth. Been there, done that.  

It worked, look, me and @WestCanMan are exchanging info now without tribalism in a civilized matter until the next show.

What would you call it, when you think someone else ideas are below you... has any of your discourse solve anything  other than make both sides angry. 

I can show you hundreds of posts that might prove other wise. This was suppose to be a forum where we could discuss ideas, but for a long time it has turned into this side against the other...no discussion at all. 

 

[Army Guy]

1 minute ago, Contrarian said:

I can agree with that, some days is easier to preach though. 

I agree 100 % my therapist has said everyday you need to pick your fights carefully, and if the results are just getting angry or filling your need to be right is it all worth it...

[Army Guy]

Just now, Contrarian said:

Ok now you are rambling.

Of course someone that had zero knowledge on geo politics about Israel and manipulates mathematics is on a lower scale in my eyes. Not to mention making such a statement about the Globe and the Mail.

Am i supposed to be inclusive and lower my standard? 

Is a work in progress soldier but be inclusive to my upbringing too. I am allergic to mediocrity. I don't day to shut you off but you will hear from me daily. Use the ignore button if my standards bother you.

I'm the last guy to be giving advice but when you talk down to someone your are an elitist. 

Funney you can't take your own advice...and use the ignor button...

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, Contrarian said:

I won't ignore that is just me rambling.

I like to talk to people as long as the level is maintained without tribal warfare. Then game is on.

You see the latest exchanges with @WestCanMan were great. We had just had to wrestle to waste time for no reason.  

TBH Contrarian, I made an accurate critique of a crap article from G & M, and you came out pretending that being a conservative meant that I didn't care if Jews died, then you said that I was just too dumb to understand the Israeli situation, etc, etc. 

If you go back and look at your opening few posts there you'll just see a shload of baseless insults and not much to hang your hat on. 

If you feel like the Jews really are the abomination that the Palestinians say they are then where's your proof? Why do statements like the ones in that article go unchallenged? 

Can G & M just quote me saying things like "Contrarian is a poopyhead" and not bother to weigh the merits of that at all? Would that constitute 'reporting'? No, of course not. They should have at least some clue what's worth reporting and what's not, or at least explain that a 13 year old who commits an act of violent bigotry isn't a hero - it's just an example of a child who was raised from birth to be a violent bigot. 

G & M are vile. They're gross. Their article was pure filth. 

I'm not pro-censorship, but that article needed to go straight into the garbage. 

[WestCanMan]

21 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

TBH Did you get a chance to watch the video with the 6 spy chiefs from Shin Bet intelligence agency? Are they too left wing for you? 

I am looking for an honest opinion after that video.

Watch it. They too think that about "abomination"? They are patriots for Israel and want peace.

Now you are rambling, actually, when I said populist, I was thinking about People's Party. I will vote conservative most likely i told you. Others on this board are conservative. You are to the right of that in my view. but that is just my estimation.

Anyhow hope you watch it:

I watched enough to get the gist of it. 

They think that they need to get their settlers out of the west bank and back to the 1967 lines in order to have peace with the Palestinians. There are so many there now that it just keeps getting harder and harder to put the toothpaste back in the tube. Sure. 

Would it work? Would the Palestinians and their religious bigot horde all across the rest of the world support a peace deal with Israel? 

Absolutely not. They'd kill 8M Jews in a heartbeat and they'd never feel bad about it. Have you not been watching? 

Does Pakistan have remembrance ceremonies for the 8 million that they committed genocide against in 1947? Do they have remembrance ceremonies for the 3 million that they killed in a second genocide in 1971? Do you think they'd care if they massacred another 8M people? Of course not. If you don't know that then you don't know the ME/far east.

 

Aside from that, these are 6 guys who feel bad at the end of their careers about all the killing they did.

I get that it was probably a lot, and that it's always emotional for people who were raised with some form of regard for life. Even the most violent bigots that they kill suddenly understand the value of life, and feel uncertainty about life after death, when they have a gun in their face, but if you don't kill them then they show up at an Ariana Grande concert with some bombs. What do ya do? It's kind of easy, but at the same time, it's just not, because you can't put your humanity on hold to do your duty. It's hard for them not to think about the faces of the men they killed, or the crying kids left behind when they dragged a 'daddy' to jail for his role in a terrorist attack. 

 

That's all an aside though, because the fact remains, we shouldn't have rags like the G & M here glorifying violent bigotry/terrorists. Right? Not at all. And I'll say it again - that wasn't a "brave 13 yr old", that's a human that has been raised to be a violent bigot since he was born. He's not like you or I. Getting a career and raising a family aren't goals for him. He will consider himself a failure if he doesn't murder people because of their religion. Peace is not on his radar. 

While your mom and dad were raising you to play with other kids and get along, kids like him were being raised to hate Jews like cancer, and to kill them whenever possible. 

You can be glad that you weren't raised to be a violent bigot, but if you were, there's a really huge chance that you'd be a violent bigot. 

One more thing - there's no such thing as "Palestinian refugee camps". They've had since 1950 to find a home, when there were less than 800,000 of them. The Pakistanis killed ten times that many people in just one of their genocides, they should be glad the Israelis are their "enemies".

Think how many refugees from islamic state were re-settled in different countries in just a year... Why couldn't the Palestinians find homes in 70 years????? (And why did muslims have to flee from islamic state in the first place? They weren't in nearly as much danger as Hindus and Sikhs were from Pakistan's armies.) 

The 'Palestinian refugees' are just political pawns used to foment hatred against Israel. 

 

You should feel sad for the Israelies because eventually there will be a massive slaughter. If not in our lifetimes, definitely at some point in the future. Hatred against them is just too strong, and it only takes 1 really bad day for their defences to be overrun. They can't defy the odds for 1,000 years, and violent religious bigotry isn't going out of style. Hell, islamic state almost took over two large countries in the last decade. Genocide isn't the rare bird we'd all like to believe. 

[myata]

7 hours ago, Contrarian said:

and vote people out

That's what you think because you've been conditioned and never bothered to check it independently and objectively, but the obvious reality tells you otherwise. Instantly.

[SpankyMcFarland]

22 hours ago, blackbird said:

As one who accepts the Bible as God's revelation to mankind, I view the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians from a Biblical perspective.

Firstly, God gave that land to Israel for perpetuity several thousand years ago.

" 18  In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:"  Genesis 15:18 KJV

There are many verses to demonstrate that God chose Israel.  That is the only nation on earth that God specifically gave the land to forever. There are many verses in the Bible showing God's special relationship with Israel and the promises he made to them which still exist.

 Former U.S. Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, is a Bible believer and recognizes this.

"Mike Pompeo, the former United States secretary of state, has made a controversial statement regarding the Israel-Palestine conflict as he said in a podcast that Israel has a ‘biblical’ claim to Palestine. Pompeo, who is considering running for the US presidential election, also called Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas a "known terrorist". On the One Decision podcast, which was released on Thursday (February 16), Pompeo mentioned his religious beliefs and also talked about America's strategic interests when it comes to Israel and Palestine. "

Mike Pompeo calls Palestinian president ‘terrorist’, says Israel has ‘biblical claim’ to Palestine (msn.com)

Does accepting this argument affect the legitimacy of Canada and similar countries? Most of us are recent arrivals on this continent. The indigenous tribes were here thousands of years before us and there’s no question they have a cultural and religious connection with the land that pre-exists ours. 

[WestCanMan]

59 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Does accepting this argument affect the legitimacy of Canada and similar countries? Most of us are recent arrivals on this continent. The indigenous tribes were here thousands of years before us and there’s no question they have a cultural and religious connection with the land that pre-exists ours. 

It's one earth, and we all have a relationship with it. We all move around. Sometimes successfully, sometimes not. 

The FN people got here first, but it was all they could do to survive while other cultures thrived and advanced. 

Now, as a nation, we are where we are.

If it's really important for us all to be divided along racial and/or religious lines, then leftists have the rights of it - vote Liberal. 

If it's really important for people to just get along and make this society work, then vote conservative. 

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Does accepting this argument affect the legitimacy of Canada and similar countries? Most of us are recent arrivals on this continent. The indigenous tribes were here thousands of years before us and there’s no question they have a cultural and religious connection with the land that pre-exists ours. 

No.  As I said, Israel is a unique country as it was chosen by God.  The Bible says those who bless Israel will be blessed; those who curse Israel will be cursed.  The government is just a group of unbelievers much like most of the U.N. and goes along with the anti-Israel stance or abstains.  Israel is unlike any other nation and is surrounded by enemies who are intent on destroying her.

The rest of the world was settled simply by people moving from one area to another.  No ethnic groups in North America has exclusive rights to the continent.  The established governments of course have the right to determine who they allow to immigrate in order to protect their country.

Edited February 18, 2023 by blackbird

[SpankyMcFarland]

33 minutes ago, blackbird said:

No.  As I said, Israel is a unique country as it was chosen by God.  The Bible says those who bless Israel will be blessed; those who curse Israel will be cursed.  The government is just a group of unbelievers much like most of the U.N. and goes along with the anti-Israel stance or abstains.  Israel is unlike any other nation and is surrounded by enemies who are intent on destroying her.

The rest of the world was settled simply by people moving from one area to another.  No ethnic groups in North America has exclusive rights to the continent.  The established governments of course have the right to determine who they allow to immigrate in order to protect their country.

Well now, the land was chosen by a god, their god as it happens, one of countless thousands of similar idols. What was that, Jehovah? This is all ours in perpetuity? Good man, yourself! Throughout history, the gods have conveniently said whatever is required to those who worship them. That’s straight out of Monty Python. 

Many nations are surrounded by enemies and false friends. In Israel’s own neighbourhood, I would immediately pick out Armenia and the Kurds as examples of that.

It’s very fortunate indeed for us settlers that ‘No ethnic groups in North America has exclusive rights to the continent’. I wonder who determined that? Might it have been us? 

 

[blackbird]

17 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Well now, the land was chosen by a god, their god as it happens, one of countless thousands of similar idols.

That is a simple fact that the Bible teaches.  There is only one God.  Obviously you don't know anything about the Bible.   Just remember God opposes those who oppose Israel.   If you want to spend your life fighting against God, you will not have a good end.  That's your choice.

By the way, which God do you worship or none?  I would bet none.

Edited February 18, 2023 by blackbird

[SpankyMcFarland]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

That is a simple fact that the Bible teaches. 
 

It’s a claim made by that book. 

 

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

 

There is only one God. 
 

 

Another dodgy claim. Look around, there are thousands of gods. 
 

 

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Obviously you don't know anything about the Bible. 
 

I wish I knew less about it. 

 

 

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Just remember God opposes those who oppose Israel.   If you want to spend your life fighting against God, you will not have a good end.  That's your choice.

 

None of us have a good end. 
 

 

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

By the way, which God do you worship or none?  I would bet none.

That’s in the region of correct. 

[blackbird]

29 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

It’s a claim made by that book. 

 

 

Another dodgy claim. Look around, there are thousands of gods. 
 

 

I wish I knew less about it. 

 

 

 

None of us have a good end. 
 

 

That’s in the region of correct. 

I am correct then.  Well, you might not believe the fact there is a God who created everything and created man and woman, Adam and Eve.  To make a long story short because I cannot give a sermon on here, I will just say they rebelled against God and fell from their good relationship with God and as a consequence we all received a fallen, corrupt nature.  

Because of this fallen nature, we are condemned unless we are redeemed.  This is where you have to take over and read about it in the King James Version New Testament (gospel of John) or watch videos on the internet to learn about it and what you can do. 

" 23  For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"  Romans 3:23 KJV

" 6  That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7  Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. "  John 3:6 KJV

A good place to start is sermon audio on the internet.  A message worth listening to is The Divine Appointment by Frank McClelland.

The Divine Appointment | SermonAudio

 

 

[OftenWrong]

On 2/17/2023 at 8:40 PM, WestCanMan said:

Think how many refugees from islamic state were re-settled in different countries in just a year... Why couldn't the Palestinians find homes in 70 years?????

Because they are mere baubles to be toyed with in the war between superpowers. Same as the Ukraine.

They are f*cked, man.

[PIK]

Arafat did more damage to the cause than Isreal has done. 

[PIK]

4 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Because they are mere baubles to be toyed with in the war between superpowers. Same as the Ukraine.

They are f*cked, man.

Used and abused by their Arab brothers ,is more like it.

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, PIK said:

Used and abused by their Arab brothers ,is more like it.

The whole region.

The shit is chess, not checkers.

[WestCanMan]

6 hours ago, Contrarian said:

I wish more people would learn your style. It will open up the discussion toward productivity, not toward garbage. 

You vastly underestimate the amount of garbage in your posts. 

[WestCanMan]

25 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

No sir, I am always open to discuss but as soon as one jumps into tractor mode will answer at such.

Blah, blah, blah.

Here's your stupid drivel from your very first post in this thread. 

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• Right Wing Populist Man who pretends to care about the Jewish People -->
• You probably don't even know 5 members of the Israeli parliament by name and here you are.
• All you had to hear is Muslim, Israel and you decided to write some originality in low IQ.
• Israeli society is too complicated for someone with your Curriculum vitae to understand. You just support Nethanyahu because is the same profile of shepherd that you support. Trump - Putin - Xi - Netanyahu.
• These are your people as much as your mob will dislike my posts and you will write more emotional garbage.
• You wrote me another low IQ message in another thread, something about the conspiracy within the FBI, as soon as I saw one garbage word, I stopped reading.
• Who are you? People built careers in law enforcement and studied to achieve status. Because this internet communism allowed you to have a say, it means you are equal in opinion? Not in my books, you will be called upon by me in mornings like today in which I skipped my coffee. 

You're a clown car at best, and every time you get put in your place you clam up, then you pop up somewhere else to try again. You never learn.