ExFlyer Posted October 8, 2022 Report Posted October 8, 2022 30 minutes ago, blackbird said: The Bible is God's inspired word. You think God cannot preserve his written revelation to mankind. Only blasphemous atheists deny God and his word. Nope. God is a belief, not a real thing. The bible is a bunch of stories written by followers. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
eyeball Posted October 9, 2022 Report Posted October 9, 2022 7 hours ago, blackbird said: Not true. Conspiracy theories are believed by a cross section of society. Conspiracy theories have nothing to do with biblical truth. What it has to do with is the susceptibility of Christians to believe things that aren't real. To accept your belief system you choose to suspend your disbelief and before long it becomes something more automatic. 2 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
blackbird Posted October 9, 2022 Report Posted October 9, 2022 (edited) 48 minutes ago, eyeball said: What it has to do with is the susceptibility of Christians to believe things that aren't real. To accept your belief system you choose to suspend your disbelief and before long it becomes something more automatic. Nonsense. Bible belief is based on sound evidence and reason. Atheists are an ignorant lot who are completely irrational. The reason is twofold: 1. The existence of God is based on logic. The complex universe had a beginning and could not create itself. Every effect has a cause. The material universe could not create itself. It is simple logic that there had to have been an intelligent designer. 2. The truth of the Bible is shown by the contents of the Bible itself. Eye witnesses of the miraculous reported many things such as the miracles that Jesus performed and his resurrection from the dead. These two facts really are at the crux of the matter. They reveal why atheists and anti-Christians do not have a leg to stand on. Edited October 9, 2022 by blackbird 1 Quote
herbie Posted October 9, 2022 Report Posted October 9, 2022 58 minutes ago, blackbird said: The truth of the Bible is shown by the contents of the Bible itself. As if that doesn't point out the difference between belief and reality by itself. 1 Quote
blackbird Posted October 9, 2022 Report Posted October 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, herbie said: As if that doesn't point out the difference between belief and reality by itself. ?? Quote
ExFlyer Posted October 9, 2022 Report Posted October 9, 2022 10 hours ago, blackbird said: ?? Meaning the bible is just another story book. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
blackbird Posted October 9, 2022 Report Posted October 9, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: Meaning the bible is just another story book. In all good conscience and without trying to be offensive, I have to be honest with non-believers and scoffers such as yourself. In saying what you say, you demonstrate you are on the road to hell and eternal damnation. That is the plain message from the Bible. "36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." John 3:36 King James Bible Many verses point this out and similar things. God is merciful to those who turn to him in faith and will forgive. But you cannot dismiss his written revelation to man as "just another story book." That is anathema. It is like suicide. It does nothing good for yourself. It is like driving a car over a cliff. Why would anyone choose to do that? However there is still time to change. That requires the courage to admit you could be wrong, read the Bible, particularly the New Testament KJV and make the necessary change to your course. In your case, that will require a 180 degree change in thinking. Edited October 9, 2022 by blackbird Quote
ExFlyer Posted October 9, 2022 Report Posted October 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, blackbird said: In all good conscience and without trying to be offensive, I have to be honest with non-believers and scoffers such as yourself. In saying what you say, you demonstrate you are on the road to hell and eternal damnation. That is the plain message from the Bible. ..... You say "without trying to be offensive" and you then you follow up with "you demonstrate you are on the road to hell and eternal damnation." Well, that is certainly very offensive in every sense. Very threatening . Your post is as hypocritical as anything ever said by any evangelistic christian. You cannot tell me or anyone that the bible is not a collection of stories by human writers and followers (you may call them prophets if you wish). There is nothing verifiable historical, (well maybe a bit historical if you include lifestyle and geography) in it. It seems to me that the prophet Nostradamus has more verifiable predictions and prophecies than anything in the bible. Anyway, your posts and "insults" and evangelism is more annoying than those of the Moonies that used to invade airports and also purport to be christian. LOL Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
blackbird Posted October 9, 2022 Report Posted October 9, 2022 10 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: You say "without trying to be offensive" and you then you follow up with "you demonstrate you are on the road to hell and eternal damnation." Well, that is certainly very offensive in every sense. Very threatening . Your post is as hypocritical as anything ever said by any evangelistic christian. You cannot tell me or anyone that the bible is not a collection of stories by human writers and followers (you may call them prophets if you wish). There is nothing verifiable historical, (well maybe a bit historical if you include lifestyle and geography) in it. It seems to me that the prophet Nostradamus has more verifiable predictions and prophecies than anything in the bible. Anyway, your posts and "insults" and evangelism is more annoying than those of the Moonies that used to invade airports and also purport to be christian. LOL So if someone told you that the road you are on will take you over a cliff, that is how you would respond to them? Quote
ExFlyer Posted October 9, 2022 Report Posted October 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, blackbird said: So if someone told you that the road you are on will take you over a cliff, that is how you would respond to them? Too late to proselytize. You are hypocritical to the extreme. The worst kind of christian evangelist. I am on highway 1 through the Prairies, very far from a cliff. LOL Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
blackbird Posted October 9, 2022 Report Posted October 9, 2022 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: Too late to proselytize. You are hypocritical to the extreme. The worst kind of christian evangelist. I am on highway 1 through the Prairies, very far from a cliff. LOL "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one." Psalm 14:1-3 KJV I am afraid your attitude is totally opposed to what the Bible says. The ball is in your court. You are badly fumbling it. Quote
ExFlyer Posted October 9, 2022 Report Posted October 9, 2022 15 minutes ago, blackbird said: "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one." Psalm 14:1-3 KJV I am afraid your attitude is totally opposed to what the Bible says. The ball is in your court. You are badly fumbling it. There ya go again, hypocritical. I have never done anything to you but disagree with your ligature and you keep insulting and threatening. Kinda goes against your biblical calling doesn't it LOL I do not, in any way, care what the bible says, it is a book of stories by hypocritical people like you and holds no meaning for me so, quoting it is like quoting Ozzy Osborne. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
eyeball Posted October 9, 2022 Report Posted October 9, 2022 19 hours ago, blackbird said: Nonsense. Bible belief is based on sound evidence and reason. No, it's based on your ability to ignore reality and create a new one more to your liking. Take for example the ability of Christians to convince themselves a rabbit is a fish so they can have that as on option on the menu on Friday. You're telling me that's based on evidence and reason? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
blackbird Posted October 10, 2022 Report Posted October 10, 2022 4 hours ago, eyeball said: No, it's based on your ability to ignore reality and create a new one more to your liking. Take for example the ability of Christians to convince themselves a rabbit is a fish so they can have that as on option on the menu on Friday. You're telling me that's based on evidence and reason? Now that's a new one. Where in the Bible does it say anything about convincing one's self a rabbit is a fish so they can have it on the menu on Friday? Please tell me so I can learn something. And who said I can't eat meat on Friday? Where does it say that? Quote Jesus Christ, as the Son of God, said, “I am the truth” (John 14:6) and “God’s word is truth” (John 17:17). Jesus claimed to define what truth is, and He said God’s Word is the ultimate judge of truth (John 12:48). No truth exists apart from Him. As the Bible explains it, “In him are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge” (Colossians 2:3). So the Bible clearly claims an exalted position as the ultimate authority. Moreover, God’s Word concludes that all other standards outside of Christ must be “empty” because they depend on “the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ” (Colossians 2:8). unquote Can We Prove the Bible Is True? | Answers in Genesis What is your standard for truth? If you have a better standard than I do, I would love to hear about it. Please, share your wisdom. Don't keep it all for yourself. Go for it. Quote
eyeball Posted October 10, 2022 Report Posted October 10, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, blackbird said: Now that's a new one. Where in the Bible does it say anything about convincing one's self a rabbit is a fish so they can have it on the menu on Friday? Please tell me so I can learn something. I recall reading about some Pope who said rabbits were like fish and could be eaten during some Holy Day instead of fish. In any case it's clear Christians believe some pretty silly things and as such are easy marks for the fantastical and unreal. Edited October 10, 2022 by eyeball 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
blackbird Posted October 10, 2022 Report Posted October 10, 2022 (edited) 42 minutes ago, eyeball said: I recall reading about some Pope who said rabbits were like fish and could be eaten during some Holy Day instead of fish. In any case it's clear Christians believe some pretty silly things and as such are easy marks for the fantastical and unreal. You did not yet answer the question; What is your standard for truth? I am not talking about what Christians believe per se or about what some Pope said because that is a false religion. I am talking about the King James Bible. That is my standard for truth. Since you seem to be ridiculing my belief or Christianity in general, what is your reference or standard for truth? If you say evidence or reason, what specifically are you referring to? What makes you think my standard, the King James Bible, is not based on evidence or reason? There are many denominations in the world but in spite of that, there are a number of things Christians agree on. What silly things do Christians believe that are "fantastical or unreal"? Edited October 10, 2022 by blackbird Quote
eyeball Posted October 10, 2022 Report Posted October 10, 2022 33 minutes ago, blackbird said: What silly things do Christians believe that are "fantastical or unreal"? The burning bush, the parting of the Red Sea, miraculousness. Quote What is your standard for truth? One that's replicable. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
herbie Posted October 10, 2022 Report Posted October 10, 2022 (edited) ...and Holy be the moneylenders for socialism is Satan in disguise.... ,,, thou must exploit thy fellow man ... ... and Holy are thou who strike a series of commitees to edit these teachings in a way that maintains the paternalistic nature of society and keeps the power of demagogues intact ... Edited October 10, 2022 by herbie Quote
cougar Posted October 10, 2022 Report Posted October 10, 2022 On 10/6/2022 at 1:48 PM, West said: Where do you stand on socialism? Failed experiment that leads to death, high inflation and poverty or have we just not tried the right kind? Definitely we have not had the right kind. Capitalism cannot last - it is based on greed and exploitation and unlimited resources and an unlimited pool of people/customers. Capitalism has turned people into monkeys chasing their tails. Need I say more? Quote
West Posted October 10, 2022 Author Report Posted October 10, 2022 40 minutes ago, cougar said: Definitely we have not had the right kind. Capitalism cannot last - it is based on greed and exploitation and unlimited resources and an unlimited pool of people/customers. Capitalism has turned people into monkeys chasing their tails. Need I say more? So how do you motivate people to produce the necessary goods and services then? Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 10, 2022 Report Posted October 10, 2022 8 hours ago, eyeball said: I recall reading about some Pope who said rabbits were like fish and could be eaten during some Holy Day instead of fish. Of course not! That would be ridiculous! They were Capybaras ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
blackbird Posted October 10, 2022 Report Posted October 10, 2022 11 hours ago, eyeball said: The burning bush, the parting of the Red Sea, miraculousness. One that's replicable. It is obvious I am not going to convince you with back and forth arguments. All I can tell you is to look at Jesus Christ and his life, miracles, and what he said about everything. The Bible is a book of the miraculous because God is a miracle worker. That is how he created the universe out of nothing. We are talking about the supernatural, not the earthly material world. The miracles you pointed out actually happened, but cannot be viewed in human materialist ways or secular scientific ways. You are used to everything being explainable in human ways, but that is not how God operates. They were supernatural events. The Bible doesn't pretend to be a book of earthly magic. It is supernatural as God is a spirit and executes his power in the supernatural realm. Jesus does care for us. That is why he came to earth, suffered and died on the cross. Look at him, his character, personality, what he did and you may get more understanding of where he is coming from and who he is. "34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do." Luke 23:34 KJV When Jesus said that he understood that most people do not understand spiritual (or supernatural) matters. He is willing to be patient, merciful, and compassionate. That is who he is. But we must look to him and try to learn about him to understand these matters. Because as the Bible says, only Jesus saves. We cannot save ourselves. It is hopeless to try. Quote
blackbird Posted October 10, 2022 Report Posted October 10, 2022 22 hours ago, ExFlyer said: There ya go again, hypocritical. I have never done anything to you but disagree with your ligature and you keep insulting and threatening. Kinda goes against your biblical calling doesn't it LOL I do not, in any way, care what the bible says, it is a book of stories by hypocritical people like you and holds no meaning for me so, quoting it is like quoting Ozzy Osborne. I understand you don't care what the Bible says. Then you should look to Jesus Christ and learn who he is, how he has compassion, mercy, and forgiveness. Understand why he came to earth, suffered and died on the cross. He is all that matters and is the only one who can save a person. Jesus cares more than anyone else. Quote
I am Groot Posted October 10, 2022 Report Posted October 10, 2022 On 10/7/2022 at 7:04 PM, MajorJo said: As I am a Marxist I believe in pure Communism of which has never been practiced due to the billionaire elites doing anything they can to avoid it. Which billionaire elites in the Soviet Union and Mao's China did everything they could to stop pure Communism? Quote
I am Groot Posted October 10, 2022 Report Posted October 10, 2022 On 10/8/2022 at 11:46 AM, Iteration said: I have not seen any evidence of socialism functioning successfully. If this is not the case, I am open to seeing such evidence, but I am yet to in my experience. Western countries have incorporated elements of Socialism into their governmental systems, but this is always a careful balancing act between Capitalism and Socialism. Quote
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