Nordstream Pipeline - Reichstag V2.0

[WestCanMan]

Russia built the Nordstream pipeline themselves. It cost a lot of money, it made them a lot of money, and it gave them a lot of sway in Europe. Some would say they liked it.

Back in April, Biden threatened that if Russia invaded Germany he would put an end to Nordstream.

Now Nordstream has been sabotaged, and now the US is blaming Putin. The MSM narrative factory is pushing it, and pooh-poohing all other possibilities.

Let's be honest, everyone on God's green earth knows that Biden did it. It doesn't make any sense at all, aside from a US warmongering POV. 

Does that evil little sonofabitch actually want war now? 

[Aristides]

Russia invaded Ukraine. Russia wanted a war. Stop blaming the victim.

Edited October 1, 2022 by Aristides

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

Russia invaded Ukraine. Russia wanted a war. Stop blaming the victim.

Stop lying. Ukraine threatened Russia with NATO at their doorstep. Russia did what the US would have done - they did what Kennedy did in Cuba in '61.

[eyeball]

20 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Back in April, Biden threatened that if Russia invaded Germany he would put an end to Nordstream.

So when did Russia invade Germany? 

[WestCanMan]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

So when did Russia invade Germany? 

I guess it's been a while, hasn't it?

My bad.

[sharkman]

Here’s the Biden video, promising to end Nord Stream. 
 

 

[eyeball]

41 minutes ago, sharkman said:

Here’s the Biden video, promising to end Nord Stream.

It's a little funny how quickly you guys are willing to take Biden's word to the bank.

In any case Putin losing the income stream from Nordstream is a good thing.

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Stop lying. Ukraine threatened Russia with NATO at their doorstep. Russia did what the US would have done - they did what Kennedy did in Cuba in '61.

Kennedy never invaded Cuba. Didn't even provide support for the Cuban exiles who died on the beach.

It is you who should stop lying.

[sharkman]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

It's a little funny how quickly you guys are willing to take Biden's word to the bank.

In any case Putin losing the income stream from Nordstream is a good thing.

When the leader of the free world makes a threat publicly, it's notable.  I'm not taking it to the bank, I've already pointed out in the other Nord Stream thread that it could well be another entity that took out the pipe lines.

[robosmith]

Ukraine would seem to have much to gain from disabling Putin's revenue source.

[WestCanMan]

5 hours ago, robosmith said:

Kennedy never invaded Cuba. Didn't even provide support for the Cuban exiles who died on the beach.

It is you who should stop lying.

1) You're thinking of Bay of Pigs, that was '61 FYI. I'm talking about the Cuban Missile Crisis, a year later.

2) I never said that Kennedy invaded, he just threatened war and the USSR backed down.

Just so ya know, Kennedy threatened war because of the presence of missile silos in Cuba. It's 1,800Km from Havana to DC, over water, but the US went apoplectic. It was go-time.

By contrast, it's only 648Km from Kharkiv to Moscow, over land (a highway), and the US wants to put all of NATO's might in play there. Strategic nukes, hypersonic missiles, cruise missiles, stealth fighters, tanks, rockets, the whole shebang.

I know that you're gonna play stupid like a grand master, and act like it's no big deal, but this info isn't for you. It's for people smarter and more honest than you who actually care about peace.

Russia has every right to go to war with Ukraine for this act of outright aggression by the US/NATO.

Now the US just shorted Germany's energy supply right before winter, and they're blaming Russia, just because they want to up the ante, and bring the world closer to war.

Biden is an evil piece of shit with just a year or two left of his worthless racist life. He can play this game and if he loses, he doesn't lose all that much. Billions of people could pay the ultimate price for his little war games. The earth could be permanently screwed. 

If the only thing that happens is that Ukraine gets bombed flat, I don't give a rat's ass. They can go to hell. 

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

Ukraine would seem to have much to gain from disabling Putin's revenue source.

The entire galaxy will benefit from Putin's demise.  I guess it still remains to be seen if Russia is a waste of real estate.  It's people don't seem to have ever been able to shine unvarnished on their own without being under someone's fist.  At some point you have to ask when they're going to take more responsibility for getting their governments under better control.  That said we could stand to do a lot better than we do as well.

[eyeball]

51 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Just so ya know, Kennedy threatened war because of the presence of missile silos in Cuba. It's 1,800Km from Havana to DC, over water, but the US went apoplectic. It was go-time.

American's always go apoplectic over Cuba.  In the meantime it's less than a couple hundred kms once a Russian sub pops up and fires away.

 

 

Edited October 2, 2022 by eyeball

[robosmith]

51 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

1) You're thinking of Bay of Pigs, that was '61 FYI. I'm talking about the Cuban Missile Crisis, a year later.

2) I never said that Kennedy invaded, he just threatened war and the USSR backed down.

Just so ya know, Kennedy threatened war because of the presence of missile silos in Cuba. It's 1,800Km from Havana to DC, over water, but the US went apoplectic. It was go-time.

By contrast, it's only 648Km from Kharkiv to Moscow, over land (a highway), and the US wants to put all of NATO's might in play there. Strategic nukes, hypersonic missiles, cruise missiles, stealth fighters, tanks, rockets, the whole shebang.

I know that you're gonna play stupid like a grand master, and act like it's no big deal, but this info isn't for you. It's for people smarter and more honest than you who actually care about peace.

Russia has every right to go to war with Ukraine for this act of outright aggression by the US/NATO.

Now the US just shorted Germany's energy supply right before winter, and they're blaming Russia, just because they want to up the ante, and bring the world closer to war.

Biden is an evil piece of shit with just a year or two left of his worthless racist life. He can play this game and if he loses, he doesn't lose all that much. Billions of people could pay the ultimate price for his little war games. The earth could be permanently screwed. 

If the only thing that happens is that Ukraine gets bombed flat, I don't give a rat's ass. They can go to hell. 

Kennedy blockaided Cuba, NOT threatened war. At least not any more than Russia did by INSTALLING NUCLEAR MISSILES there. The US NEVER installed NUCLEAR MISSILES in Ukraine. You are off your rocker.

We can see that you're completely deranged on this "threat" that Ukraine posed to Russia, when you defend Russia killing thousands of Ukrainian civilians and completely leveling cities.

Bye, bye, idiot.

[Aristides]

22 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Stop lying. Ukraine threatened Russia with NATO at their doorstep. Russia did what the US would have done - they did what Kennedy did in Cuba in '61.

Well now the genius Putin has managed to get Finland and Sweden into NATO and when this is over, Ukraine will definitely be a NATO member. 

The US or NATO were not putting nukes into Ukraine like the Soviets were in Cuba. As a matter of fact, there are no nukes at all based in Eastern European NATO countries. Countries join NATO because they fear Russia, with good reason.

[Rebound]

23 hours ago, sharkman said:

Here’s the Biden video, promising to end Nord Stream. 
 

 

Nord stream 2.

Two. 
Unlike previous idiot President, this man is perfectly clear: IF Russian military invades Ukraine, the Nordstream TWO project will Be canceled. 
 

Trump would NEVER make a statement Iike this. He’d hem and haw and say crap like, “A lot of people are saying…” or “We’ll have to see how it plays out.”  Not Biden. When Russia invaded Ukraine, he was very clear: America would send weapons and supplies, but no soldiers or any combat. Very clear. But, he added, IF Russian soldiers enter One Inch of NATO territory, the US military would respond with full force. 
 

You can agree or disagree with the policy, but it’s CLEAR. There’s nothing to “parse” or lip read, unlike Trump’s nonstop nonsense.  

Edited October 2, 2022 by Rebound

[sharkman]

Publicly threatening to end the energy output of another nation is stupid on so many levels.  If you want to pick that particular embarrassment to stand with, fill your boots.

[WestCanMan]

15 hours ago, eyeball said:

American's always go apoplectic over Cuba.  In the meantime it's less than a couple hundred kms once a Russian sub pops up and fires away.

It's one thing to have subs sneak around - the US has those everywhere, and it's quite another to just have tanks, rockets, cruise missiles, stealth fighters, tanks and everything right at your border, 24/7, for a decade.

But of course you don't understand, as usual. 

[WestCanMan]

15 hours ago, robosmith said:

Kennedy blockaided Cuba, NOT threatened war. At least not any more than Russia did by INSTALLING NUCLEAR MISSILES there. The US NEVER installed NUCLEAR MISSILES in Ukraine. You are off your rocker.

And they were going to go to war if the missiles weren't removed. They depth-charged Russian subs in the open ocean and forced them to surface ffs. 

The US might not have nukes there, I don't know and I never said that they did, but if Ukraine joins NATO then it's just a matter of time. The US does have some biological warfare research going on there, which is arguably worse because it's more likely to be used, and with massive effect.

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We can see that you're completely deranged on this "threat" that Ukraine posed to Russia, when you defend Russia killing thousands of Ukrainian civilians and completely leveling cities.

How are they levelling cities and killing people? I thought that Ukraine was winning? Pick a story and stick to it.

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Bye, bye, idiot.

Being called an idiot by you is like being called a traitor by Biduhn - it means quite the opposite of what's intended. 

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

Well now the genius Putin has managed to get Finland and Sweden into NATO and when this is over, Ukraine will definitely be a NATO member. 

I really doubt that Ukraine can join. It takes the unanimous consent of all the member nations, so it just takes one leader with an IQ over 50 to prevent it.

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The US or NATO were not putting nukes into Ukraine like the Soviets were in Cuba.

The US were putting nukes in Italy and Turkey, aimed at Russia.

Yes, Cuba is closer, but it was the only option in that hemisphere.

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As a matter of fact, there are no nukes at all based in Eastern European NATO countries.

How do you know that? The same people who are saying that also swear that there are no biological weapons in Ukraine, which would be weird considering how many biological weapon research facilities there are there. 

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Countries join NATO because they fear Russia, with good reason.

It's not just because they fear Russia, you're lying again. Russia doesn't pose a threat to countries who don't share a border with them. They can't project power globally like the US does. 

[Aristides]

14 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It's one thing to have subs sneak around - the US has those everywhere, and it's quite another to just have tanks, rockets, cruise missiles, stealth fighters, tanks and everything right at your border, 24/7, for a decade.

But of course you don't understand, as usual. 

Other than 7000 in the NATO rotating force which might be anywhere, the US has no troops in Eastern Europe.

[Aristides]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I really doubt that Ukraine can join. It takes the unanimous consent of all the member nations, so it just takes one leader with an IQ over 50 to prevent it.

Possibly we will see and it will depend a lot on what Russia does.

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The US were putting nukes in Italy and Turkey, aimed at Russia.

They were and removed them as part of the deal. I repeat, there are no nukes, US or otherwise based in Eastern Europe NATO countries.

Yes, Cuba is closer, but it was the only option in that hemisphere.

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How do you know that? The same people who are saying that also swear that there are no biological weapons in Ukraine, which would be weird considering how many biological weapon research facilities there are there. 

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Look it up, rather than making shit up

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It's not just because they fear Russia, you're lying again. Russia doesn't pose a threat to countries who don't share a border with them. They can't project power globally like the US does. 

It is precisely why they joined, they have said so. Sweden and Finland didn't apply to join for shits and giggles.

[WestCanMan]

8 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Other than 7000 in the NATO rotating force which might be anywhere, the US has no troops in Eastern Europe.

The Chinese have a 100-yr plan.

Your plan is to believe what you were told in the last ten minutes (from people who have every reason to be lying) and to extrapolate that in a straight line to infinity.

[eyeball]

30 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It's one thing to have subs sneak around - the US has those everywhere, and it's quite another to just have tanks, rockets, cruise missiles, stealth fighters, tanks and everything right at your border, 24/7, for a decade.

But of course you don't understand, as usual. 

Just like the border between Ukraine and Russia? What isn't there to understand?

 

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Just like the border between Ukraine and Russia? What isn't there to understand?

You just proved what there is to not understand. Thanks for that.