Nationalist Posted October 12, 2022 Report Posted October 12, 2022 8 minutes ago, Moonbox said: I know he's attacking civilian infrastructure. I doubt very much he's hit many anti-missile sites. 7 months into the war and he still hasn't suppressed Ukrainian air defense so that's just fantasy. What are these attacks proving? Nothing. They're just a tantrum from Putin and the warbloggers and nationalists in Russia, trying to do anything they can think of to change the situation. They're losing and it's only going to get worse. Czech students getting blankets means it's all over for Ukraine! ? Only in your little fantasy world bud. Your boy Putin is fully cucked now. The only thing he can do now is bluster and threaten, but the Russian military has proven itself incompetent/incapable beyond even the most optimistic projections. When this is all over and Ukraine is still standing, I'll remember to have a good chuckle at your expense. LOL...you have no idea what you're talking about...do ya. OK Sally...as this spirals out of Ukranian control...and its going to...as the EU falls apart as a direct result of this chickenshit little war...and twits like you can be heard saying, "But how was I to know?" I'll have no problem identifying you blood thirsty little cowards...over and over. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Moonbox Posted October 12, 2022 Author Report Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Nationalist said: LOL...you have no idea what you're talking about...do ya. NOO YOU! As I said, just wait and see how it all turns out. The most impressive thing about the conspiracy clownosphere's self-delusion is that when they're proven wrong, over and over again, they consistently manage to just sort of forget and blot that out and move on to the next dumb dumb parade. 27 minutes ago, Nationalist said: OK Sally...as this spirals out of Ukranian control...and its going to...as the EU falls apart as a direct result of this chickenshit little war...and twits like you can be heard saying, "But how was I to know?" I'll have no problem identifying you blood thirsty little cowards...over and over. You'd be a really good psychology experiment. "The Powers of Self-Delusion". "EU is falling apart," he says, as the bloc shows solidarity with sweeping sanctions against Russia and resigns itself to recession in order to wean themselves off Russian oil/gas. "EU is falling apart," he says, as long-standing neutral nations close their borders to Russia and join NATO. "you blood thirsty little cowards," he cries, as he rants and raves about Europe/NATO supplying Ukraine with defensive weapons, while cheerleading Putin's invasion. Edited October 12, 2022 by Moonbox Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
BeaverFever Posted October 12, 2022 Report Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: Much is first hand from family who live there Beave. Where are you getting your "information" from? CNN? Family who live in Russia? Edited October 12, 2022 by BeaverFever Quote
BeaverFever Posted October 12, 2022 Report Posted October 12, 2022 52 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Gee...guess they shouldn't have engaged in the slaughter of the ethnic Russians in the east of Ukraine Lies 1 Quote
Moonbox Posted October 12, 2022 Author Report Posted October 12, 2022 1 hour ago, BeaverFever said: Lies What he’s talking about is the unrest and skirmishing in the Donbas. The Russian militias and the Azov brigade fought and murdered each other for years. Of course according to him, it was only the Azov brigade that did anything wrong, this despite third-party investigations concluding that most (but definitely not all) of the atrocities were committed by the pro-Russian militias. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Nationalist Posted October 12, 2022 Report Posted October 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Boges said: Cite. Why would they do that? They're winning the war. Only people like you pretending you're interested in peace would advocate for that. https://www.crisisgroup.org/content/conflict-ukraines-donbas-visual-explainer Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Nationalist Posted October 12, 2022 Report Posted October 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: NOO YOU! As I said, just wait and see how it all turns out. The most impressive thing about the conspiracy clownosphere's self-delusion is that when they're proven wrong, over and over again, they consistently manage to just sort of forget and blot that out and move on to the next dumb dumb parade. You'd be a really good psychology experiment. "The Powers of Self-Delusion". "EU is falling apart," he says, as the bloc shows solidarity with sweeping sanctions against Russia and resigns itself to recession in order to wean themselves off Russian oil/gas. "EU is falling apart," he says, as long-standing neutral nations close their borders to Russia and join NATO. "you blood thirsty little cowards," he cries, as he rants and raves about Europe/NATO supplying Ukraine with defensive weapons, while cheerleading Putin's invasion. I have never "cheered" on any of this. Just more Tweenkie lies from twits who are incapable of thought past CNN. I don't care for either Zelinisky or Putin. But so you warmongers know what it is to doom thousands to their deaths...I'm kind of hoping the Russians utterly destroy Ukraine...while NATO watches on helplessly. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Boges Posted October 12, 2022 Report Posted October 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: I don't care for either Zelinisky or Putin. Uhh yeah you do. Or else you wouldn't have a full time job posting in this thread. Quote
Boges Posted October 12, 2022 Report Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) From a strategic perspective, Putin wouldn't be well served using Nuclear weapons in this conflict. Right now the front lines are in territory he claims he's annexed. So he'd be nuking "Russian" territory within a few kilometres of real Russia. He'd be nuking people he claims are his. If he uses it as a terror tool, like levelling Kyiv, any hope of claiming Ukraine will be lost. Also dropping a Nuke in Eastern Europe certainly can be construed as an attack on NATO member states as Nuclear fallout isn't isolated. Edited October 12, 2022 by Boges Quote
sharkman Posted October 12, 2022 Report Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) Okay, here's a summary of Russia's response, a direct result of the bridge explosion. - Most of Ukraine is without electricity. Four main substations were hit, repairs could take months. - Most of Ukraine is without running water. - Critical infrastructure items hit. - The Secret Police of Ukraine building hit, Berkut(SBU). - Analyst cells that developed intel for Ukraine were hit - Hitting Polish forces that were massing in preparation of attacking the annexed land. - 80% of Ukraine's air defenses, NASAM systems, taken out. These precision strikes illustrate that Russia was indeed showing restraint previously, and that there isn't anything going on in Ukraine that Moscow doesn't know about. Also there is nothing they can't hit if they choose to. Colonel Douglas MacGregor, former senior advisor to the Secretary of Defense, was interviewed with the following highlights. For the previous 7 months of this war, Putin has shown restraint as this is another Slavic nation. Russia's ground forces have only had about 20% of their numbers in Ukraine. After the first 4 months, the Ukraine army(which the west built to attack Russia) was largely destroyed. What's defending Ukraine now is a mix of volunteer and militia forces along with some allies such as the Chechens and mercenary groups. But after waiting for the possibility of a negotiated end to the conflict, the Kremlin has concluded that no such end is possible(My view: this may be why they annexed the land under dispute and then lowered the boom on Ukraine after the bridge was blown up). So now we are dealing with a different Russia. 202 missile strikes attacking specific targets all over Ukraine. They have always been able to do this, but refrained until now. Once the ground freezes, there may well be some major Russian offenses to take out what remains of Ukraine's defenders. Edited October 12, 2022 by sharkman spelling 1 Quote
Boges Posted October 12, 2022 Report Posted October 12, 2022 10 minutes ago, sharkman said: Okay, here's a summary of Russia's response, a direct result of the bridge explosion. - Most of Ukraine is without electricity. Four main substations were hit, repairs could take months. - Most of Ukraine is without running water. - Critical infrastructure items hit. - The Secret Police of Ukraine building hit, Berkut(SBU). - Analyst cells that developed intel for Ukraine were hit - Hitting Polish forces that were massing in preparation of attacking the annexed land. - 80% of Ukraine's air defenses, NASAM systems, taken out. These precision strikes illustrate that Russia was indeed showing restraint previously, and that there isn't anything going on in Ukraine that Moscow doesn't know about. Also there is nothing they can't hit if they choose to. Colonel Douglas MacGregor, former senior advisor to the Secretary of Defense, was interviewed with the following highlights. For the previous 7 months of this war, Putin has shown restraint as this is another Slavic nation. Russia's ground forces have only had about 20% of their numbers in Ukraine. After the first 4 months, the Ukraine army(which the west built to attack Russia) was largely destroyed. What's defending Ukraine now is a mix of volunteer and militia forces along with some allies such as the Chechens and mercenary groups. But after waiting for the possibility of a negotiated end to the conflict, the Kremlin has concluded that no such end is possible(My view: this may be why they annexed the land under dispute and then lowered the boom on Ukraine after the bridge was blown up). So now we are dealing with a different Russia. 202 missile strikes attacking specific targets all over Ukraine. They have always been able to do this, but refrained until now. Once the ground freezes, there may well be some major Russian offenses to take out what remains of Ukraine's defenders. You're just using Kremlin talking points. At least cite these ridiculous claims. Quote
BeaverFever Posted October 12, 2022 Report Posted October 12, 2022 36 minutes ago, Moonbox said: What he’s talking about is the unrest and skirmishing in the Donbas. The Russian militias and the Azov brigade fought and murdered each other for years. Of course according to him, it was only the Azov brigade that did anything wrong, this despite third-party investigations concluding that most (but definitely not all) of the atrocities were committed by the pro-Russian militias. Yeah I know what he’s referring to. It’s pretty dishonest to describe fighting armed insurgent militias who are funded and armed by Russia, and who shot down a civilian airliner full of innocent people as “the slaughter of ethnic Russians” Quote
Moonbox Posted October 12, 2022 Author Report Posted October 12, 2022 He actually believes it though ? Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
sharkman Posted October 12, 2022 Report Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Boges said: You're just using Kremlin talking points. At least cite these ridiculous claims. They were taken, point by point, in a video interview with Douglas MacGregor. You're not going to like it... https://rumble.com/v1nkkbh-they-want-total-war-with-putin-and-hes-ready-redacted-with-clayton-morris.html The interview starts at about the 38 min mark of the video. Edited October 12, 2022 by sharkman 1 Quote
BeaverFever Posted October 12, 2022 Report Posted October 12, 2022 20 minutes ago, sharkman said: Okay, here's a summary of Russia's response, a direct result of the bridge explosion. - Most of Ukraine is without electricity. Four main substations were hit, repairs could take months. - Most of Ukraine is without running water. - Critical infrastructure items hit. - The Secret Police of Ukraine building hit, Berkut(SBU). - Analyst cells that developed intel for Ukraine were hit - Hitting Polish forces that were massing in preparation of attacking the annexed land. - 80% of Ukraine's air defenses, NASAM systems, taken out. These precision strikes illustrate that Russia was indeed showing restraint previously, and that there isn't anything going on in Ukraine that Moscow doesn't know about. Also there is nothing they can't hit if they choose to. Colonel Douglas MacGregor, former senior advisor to the Secretary of Defense, was interviewed with the following highlights. For the previous 7 months of this war, Putin has shown restraint as this is another Slavic nation. Russia's ground forces have only had about 20% of their numbers in Ukraine. After the first 4 months, the Ukraine army(which the west built to attack Russia) was largely destroyed. What's defending Ukraine now is a mix of volunteer and militia forces along with some allies such as the Chechens and mercenary groups. But after waiting for the possibility of a negotiated end to the conflict, the Kremlin has concluded that no such end is possible(My view: this may be why they annexed the land under dispute and then lowered the boom on Ukraine after the bridge was blown up). So now we are dealing with a different Russia. 202 missile strikes attacking specific targets all over Ukraine. They have always been able to do this, but refrained until now. Once the ground freezes, there may well be some major Russian offenses to take out what remains of Ukraine's defenders. OMG there as so many lies and so much gaslighting in this point it’s hard to know where to start. Just about everything provable is false but my favourite is that Ukraine had a military built to attack Russia. That is just absolutely priceless idiotic BS Quote
Boges Posted October 12, 2022 Report Posted October 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, sharkman said: They were taken, point by point, in a video interview with Douglas MacGregor. You're not going to like it... https://rumble.com/v1nkkbh-they-want-total-war-with-putin-and-hes-ready-redacted-with-clayton-morris.html So a Podcast on Rumble.com interviewing a Putin jock-sniffer. Top notch Journalism! Quote
BeaverFever Posted October 12, 2022 Report Posted October 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, sharkman said: They were taken, point by point, in a video interview with Douglas MacGregor. You're not going to like it... https://rumble.com/v1nkkbh-they-want-total-war-with-putin-and-hes-ready-redacted-with-clayton-morris.html Another fringe right wing kook with a long history of antisemitic and pro-Putin sympathies and who only got appointed to Trump White House after Trump lost the election. For those keeping score, he has also publicly advocated for imposing martial law in American border states and extrajudicial killings of immigrants. He also said the idea that Germany should atone for the crimes of the Nazis is a “sick mentality”. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 12, 2022 Report Posted October 12, 2022 We should be working towards peace NOW before it is too late for everybody. But the hawks want war. 1 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Boges Posted October 12, 2022 Report Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: We should be working towards peace NOW before it is too late for everybody. But the hawks want war. Mr Chamberlain, Does peace include 15% of Ukraine being ceded to Russia? Edited October 12, 2022 by Boges Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 12, 2022 Report Posted October 12, 2022 Just now, Boges said: Does peace include 15% of Ukraine being ceded to Russia? You'd prefer a 3 megaton detonation over your city? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted October 12, 2022 Report Posted October 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Boges said: Mr Chamberlain. So what part of the Ukraine are you fighting in? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Boges Posted October 12, 2022 Report Posted October 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: You'd prefer a 3 megaton detonation over your city? Peace in our time right Mr. Chamberlain. We must cede to a crazy person's wish for MADD? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 12, 2022 Report Posted October 12, 2022 Just now, Boges said: Peace in our time right Mr. Chamberlain. We must cede to a crazy person's wish for MADD? You're ready to fight until the last Ukrainian is dead. I understand what you want. But, you don't seem to 'get' nuclear weapons. Do you figure you'll be fine in a multi-megaton exchange? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted October 12, 2022 Report Posted October 12, 2022 It's MAD...not MADD, btw. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Boges Posted October 12, 2022 Report Posted October 12, 2022 8 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: You're ready to fight until the last Ukrainian is dead. I understand what you want. But, you don't seem to 'get' nuclear weapons. Do you figure you'll be fine in a multi-megaton exchange? So that's a yes. Let Putin get what he wants because of MAD? What strategic aims will Putin achieve by Nuking Ukraine? Quote
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