Nationalist Posted October 11, 2022 Report Posted October 11, 2022 15 minutes ago, Boges said: Your position is clear. You don't think any NATO or Western intervention is warranted. But by taking that position, you also take the position that Putin should be allowed to annex Ukraine without any assistance from the West. So you "may" not specifically support Putin, but you certain support the idea that he should be appeased on his goals here. Correct. If he can...yes. I do not care whether a failed state is Russian or not. In fact...as it is a failed state...the drain on Russia might actually work to the west's advantage. Why do you think staying the hell outta this war, is appeasement? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Nationalist Posted October 11, 2022 Report Posted October 11, 2022 Just now, Michael Hardner said: 1. All of NATO and the west is on alert due to these war crimes and your response is to call me a Liberal. The rest of the post is just name calling and nonsense. You are a bot and a shill - please leave. LOL...ROFLMAO... Such a butt-hurt little man... Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Boges Posted October 11, 2022 Report Posted October 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: Correct. If he can...yes. I do not care whether a failed state is Russian or not. In fact...as it is a failed state...the drain on Russia might actually work to the west's advantage. And forgive me, but I don't think your opinion would change if Hungary or Poland were in Putin's sights next. Which is what Quote Why do you think staying the hell outta this war, is appeasement? Do you have no concept of how the West appeased Hitler until he had the power to invade and take control of all of Western Europe. Putin's power grab here uses the same justifications as Hitler did in the 1930's Quote
Nationalist Posted October 11, 2022 Report Posted October 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, Boges said: That maybe the most sensible thing you've said in this thread. Putin has utterly failed his people by clinging to the old ideals of the USSR. You may be right. Time will tell. That is...if we have that much time. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Nationalist Posted October 11, 2022 Report Posted October 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, Boges said: And forgive me, but I don't think your opinion would change if Hungary or Poland were in Putin's sights next. Which is what Do you have no concept of how the West appeased Hitler until he had the power to invade and take control of all of Western Europe. Putin's power grab here uses the same justifications as Hitler did in the 1930's Has Putin threatened either Poland or Hungary? I know the story. Are you saying this is definitely the same case? Man...you really gotta get over this thing you have for Hitler. The man is dead and gone. It was a bad time and its over. Should Putin attack Poland or Hungary...he'd probably be capped by one of his own. You should really think things through. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Boges Posted October 11, 2022 Report Posted October 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, Nationalist said: You may be right. Time will tell. That is...if we have that much time. What are you afraid of? Putin has proven he can't conduct a proper military exercise. If he decides to use Nuclear weapons in desperation, the blame will fall squarely on him and not NATO for supporting his opponent with military aid. Had the USSR nuked Afghanistan for their failure in the 80's should the US be blamed because they supported the Mujahideen with military aid? Quote
Boges Posted October 11, 2022 Report Posted October 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: Has Putin threatened either Poland or Hungary? I know the story. Are you saying this is definitely the same case? Man...you really gotta get over this thing you have for Hitler. The man is dead and gone. It was a bad time and its over. Should Putin attack Poland or Hungary...he'd probably be capped by one of his own. You should really think things through. You're the one claiming that Ukraine is a den of Nazis. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. Quote
Nationalist Posted October 11, 2022 Report Posted October 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Boges said: What are you afraid of? Putin has proven he can't conduct a proper military exercise. If he decides to use Nuclear weapons in desperation, the blame will fall squarely on him and not NATO for supporting his opponent with military aid. Had the USSR nuked Afghanistan for their failure in the 80's should the US be blamed because they supported the Mujahideen with military aid? What am I afraid of? Have you ever bothered to look into the number of shitty consequences of the Chernobyl accident? Blowing up nukes, happens to have very wide spreading bad effects on people and the planet. I'd rather not see that happen...thank you very much. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Boges Posted October 11, 2022 Report Posted October 11, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Nationalist said: What am I afraid of? Have you ever bothered to look into the number of shitty consequences of the Chernobyl accident? Blowing up nukes, happens to have very wide spreading bad effects on people and the planet. I'd rather not see that happen...thank you very much. So you're fine with a nation the size of Quebec falling under the influence of the USSR because you're afraid he'll use Nukes if he doesn't get his way. But he'll stop at Ukraine because they're not in NATO and not try to take the other Warsaw pact nations that were lost when the USSR fell. Just like Hitler stopped at the Sudentenland. So just to be clear, should Putin strike out on Poland, where this military aid is coming from, you'll support invocation of Article 5. Edited October 11, 2022 by Boges Quote
Nationalist Posted October 11, 2022 Report Posted October 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, Boges said: You're the one claiming that Ukraine is a den of Nazis. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. I didn't say "den of Nazis". Gawd why do you people insist on making shit up? I said...they USED a Neo-Nazi brigade. A brigade both Canada and the USA were leary of, not more than a few years ago. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Boges Posted October 11, 2022 Report Posted October 11, 2022 Just now, Nationalist said: I didn't say "den of Nazis". Gawd why do you people insist on making shit up? I said...they USED a Neo-Nazi brigade. A brigade both Canada and the USA were leary of, not more than a few years ago. So we shouldn't support Ukraine because of ONE! Neo Nazi Brigade? The Ukraine military is now largely composed of Free man fighting for their homeland. It's admirable. Quote
Aristides Posted October 11, 2022 Report Posted October 11, 2022 34 minutes ago, Nationalist said: I said that months ago. The Vietnam draft dodgers were criminals. Did they have a good reason for breaking US law? Yes...I think they did. The US had no business jumping into that mess. Much like they have no business jumping into this mess. So you agree, these young men had good reason for breaking Putin's law and Russia had no business jumping into this mess. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 11, 2022 Report Posted October 11, 2022 8 minutes ago, Nationalist said: I didn't say "den of Nazis". Gawd why do you people insist on making shit up? I said...they USED a Neo-Nazi brigade. A brigade both Canada and the USA were leary of, not more than a few years ago. If it was just a few bad apples, we wouldn't see the renaming of Ukrainian streets to that of WW2 Nazis along with prominent statues of same. But to many Ukrainians, he's their hero. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Moonbox Posted October 11, 2022 Author Report Posted October 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: I supply the level of discourse called for by the person I'm discussing with. Ya gits wut ya pays fer. My Man? Welcome to the land of twits... You supply the only level of discourse you're capable of. ? 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Boges Posted October 11, 2022 Report Posted October 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: If it was just a few bad apples, we wouldn't see the renaming of Ukrainian streets to that of WW2 Nazis along with prominent statues of same. But to many Ukrainians, he's their hero. Charles Lindbergh was a known Nazi Sympathizer, but the Spirit of St. Louis is still in the Smithsonian. 2 Quote
Moonbox Posted October 11, 2022 Author Report Posted October 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: If it was just a few bad apples, we wouldn't see the renaming of Ukrainian streets to that of WW2 Nazis along with prominent statues of same. But to many Ukrainians, he's their hero. He's their hero because he fought against the Soviet Union, who'd brutalized and starved them. When US Southerners venerate Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson, they're not venerating slavery, are they? Of course not. This is the same thing. They are venerating what they consider a freedom fighter and a patriot, not Adolf Hitler. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
DogOnPorch Posted October 11, 2022 Report Posted October 11, 2022 I love it when you guys feel compelled to defend Nazis...and Robert E Lee! ? Since I was talking to Nationalist...heh. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Nationalist Posted October 11, 2022 Report Posted October 11, 2022 42 minutes ago, Boges said: So you're fine with a nation the size of Quebec falling under the influence of the USSR because you're afraid he'll use Nukes if he doesn't get his way. But he'll stop at Ukraine because they're not in NATO and not try to take the other Warsaw pact nations that were lost when the USSR fell. Just like Hitler stopped at the Sudentenland. So just to be clear, should Putin strike out on Poland, where this military aid is coming from, you'll support invocation of Article 5. If Russia makes an unprovoked attack on a NATO nation, then I guess we'll see what NATO is really made of. NOT before. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Nationalist Posted October 11, 2022 Report Posted October 11, 2022 37 minutes ago, Aristides said: So you agree, these young men had good reason for breaking Putin's law and Russia had no business jumping into this mess. Hard question. I mean...its not like Vietnam is right on America's border. But in general...I would have to agree. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Nationalist Posted October 11, 2022 Report Posted October 11, 2022 33 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: If it was just a few bad apples, we wouldn't see the renaming of Ukrainian streets to that of WW2 Nazis along with prominent statues of same. But to many Ukrainians, he's their hero. True. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Nationalist Posted October 11, 2022 Report Posted October 11, 2022 28 minutes ago, Moonbox said: You supply the only level of discourse you're capable of. ? Hilarious. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Boges Posted October 11, 2022 Report Posted October 11, 2022 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Nationalist said: If Russia makes an unprovoked attack on a NATO nation, then I guess we'll see what NATO is really made of. NOT before. NATO is not on the front lines in this conflict. They are providing military aid for an outcome that benefits its members. Which is not without precedent. Edited October 11, 2022 by Boges Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 11, 2022 Report Posted October 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Hard question. I mean...its not like Vietnam is right on America's border. But in general...I would have to agree. There were MANY draft dodgers from the Viet-Nam war. In BC there were numerous pop-up towns full of them. 1 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
BeaverFever Posted October 11, 2022 Report Posted October 11, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Do you believe Churchill should have surrendered to Hitler in order to avoid the Battle of Britain and all the civilian bombings and war deaths in the years that followed? Hey @Nationalist you conveniently “forgot” to answer this one Edited October 11, 2022 by BeaverFever Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 11, 2022 Report Posted October 11, 2022 Conversely, 30,000 Canadians volunteered to fight in Viet-Nam. 1 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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