The death industry for the disabled, mentally ill, and poor is ramping up in Canada

[blackbird]

9 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

So you’re saying the Supreme Court should have upheld laws that women and indigenous people shall not vote?

Do you think women should be allowed to divorce their husbands?  Or should we revert that back to align with the bible as well?

I never said anything about that. You are inventing things to try to justify yourself.

Anybody who is morally bankrupt should not be allowed to be on the Supreme Court or be a politician or be in any position of authority.

Anybody who is morally bankrupt should never be allowed to vote.  

That has nothing to do with race or gender.  If it were possible I would not allow evil people to have any position of power or vote.  But in the kind of system we have, we can't stop them.  The system is corrupt and evil.

[blackbird]

The case of Alan Nichols, a man who was given assisted death in Chilliwack a few years ago is a case in point where it appears this man did not meet the criteria but the system set up for MAID leaves a very loose broad interpretation to the discretion of two doctors.  It is purely subjective and appears almost impossible for anyone to stop it or challenge it.

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Eligibility is restricted to mentally competent Canadian adults who have a serious, irreversible illness, disease, or disability. While to be eligible a patient does not have to have a fatal condition, they must meet a criterion variously expressed as they “can expect to die in the near future,” that natural death is “reasonably foreseeable” in the “not too distant” future, or that they are “declining towards death.”   Unquote

 His death was apparently not "reasonably foreseeable".   The family asked the RCMP to investigate but they referred the matter to the health authorities.

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The Canadian Association for Community Living said in a statement it was “distressed” to learn of the death, adding the case shows how doctors are able to interpret Canada’s medical assistance in dying (MAiD) law “more broadly than ever intended.”

“So much more could have been done to improve Alan’s quality of life,” CACL executive vice-president Krista Carr said. “Alan was living in poverty, lacked access to the disability supports needed to live without stress, and does not appear to have been connected to appropriate community-based mental health services. This is exactly why we need the end-of-life criterion to remain in the law — deaths like Alan’s cannot be normalized.”    Unquote

Family questions criteria after euthanizing of Chilliwack man - BC Catholic - Multimedia Catholic News

Now with the new MAID law coming into effect next year to include people with mental problems, this kind of thing may become very common and in fact could become far worse and very broad in who becomes a victim.

 

[Zeitgeist]

41 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The case of Alan Nichols, a man who was given assisted death in Chilliwack a few years ago is a case in point where it appears this man did not meet the criteria but the system set up for MAID leaves a very loose broad interpretation to the discretion of two doctors.  It is purely subjective and appears almost impossible for anyone to stop it or challenge it.

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Eligibility is restricted to mentally competent Canadian adults who have a serious, irreversible illness, disease, or disability. While to be eligible a patient does not have to have a fatal condition, they must meet a criterion variously expressed as they “can expect to die in the near future,” that natural death is “reasonably foreseeable” in the “not too distant” future, or that they are “declining towards death.”   Unquote

 His death was apparently not "reasonably foreseeable".   The family asked the RCMP to investigate but they referred the matter to the health authorities.

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The Canadian Association for Community Living said in a statement it was “distressed” to learn of the death, adding the case shows how doctors are able to interpret Canada’s medical assistance in dying (MAiD) law “more broadly than ever intended.”

“So much more could have been done to improve Alan’s quality of life,” CACL executive vice-president Krista Carr said. “Alan was living in poverty, lacked access to the disability supports needed to live without stress, and does not appear to have been connected to appropriate community-based mental health services. This is exactly why we need the end-of-life criterion to remain in the law — deaths like Alan’s cannot be normalized.”    Unquote

Family questions criteria after euthanizing of Chilliwack man - BC Catholic - Multimedia Catholic News

Now with the new MAID law coming into effect next year to include people with mental problems, this kind of thing may become very common and in fact could become far worse and very broad in who becomes a victim.

 

You’re absolutely right, but it’s getting increasingly difficult to trust our government and courts to do the right thing and protect people and their rights.  This isn’t the Canada of my childhood.  Post-national state, it turns out, is a thing, a kind of dystopian quasi-totalitarian system that wears a thin veneer of civility and has the trappings of western free market capitalism and democracy.  In truth our rights are being eroded in unprecedented ways.

 I’d like to hear the civil liberties organizations and Catholic Church weigh in on these serious blows to our humanity.

Edited August 21, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Zeitgeist]

35 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

I wonder if any of the boys from SAS are watching this forum, maybe they are, maybe they aren't, but I wonder if they are -> would they would approve with such messages?.

This kind of loyalty excess does not belong in the modern empire, belongs in the mind of SS or KGB type of person in my view. 

Until then, Qui Audet (google it), you might learn something about real "loyalty". 

Oh you want to take away whatever esteemed Canadian military traditions we have left because…wait for it…Nazism?   You don’t have any clue about the meaning of oppression if you’re making such equivalences.  

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, Contrarian said:

That is paranoia. 

That’s the great dismissive phrase of our times whenever rights are trampled or abuses take place.  Conspiracy theory is the another dismissive catch-all.  The Emergencies Act was apparently just a minor measure.  Having the most lenient euthanasia laws in the world that have led to heathy people being killed is no big deal.   Important cultural foundational traits and significant philanthropic figures who built the country are colonial garbage to be erased.  Why should anyone care, right? Just relax, dude, don’t be so paranoid.

It’s called caring about what matters in life.  Stop caring and bad things happen.  “He who stands for nothing falls for everything.”

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

That’s the great dismissive phrase of our times...

I think my question 'what are you guys waiting for' really clears the deck though.

 

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“He who stands for nothing falls for everything.”

You guys demonstrate that better than anyone.

[Dougie93]

38 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

I wonder if any of the boys from SAS are watching this forum, maybe they are, maybe they aren't, but I wonder if they are -> would they would approve with such messages?.

This kind of loyalty excess does not belong in the modern empire, belongs in the mind of SS or KGB type of person in my view. 

Until then, Qui Audet (google it), you might learn something about real "loyalty". 

I would be very surprised indeed, if any United Kingdom Special Forces Directorate personnel were not Loyalists

I have served under British Army command with 1st Battalion, The Highlanders ( Seaforth, Gordons & Camerons )

I have yet to meet any British soldier who was not absolutely loyal to the Commander-in-Chief unto death as necessary

but as an Ulster Scots Orangeman of Upper Canada, I am of course fiercely loyal to HM The Queen

more British than the British themselves, in the face of Washington, perhaps

over & above the Government of Canada & Confederation, certainly

as is the separation of powers by the the terms of the Canada Act 1982

and I make no apologies for it

if any member of the 22nd Special Air Service Regiment would like to take issue with that

I would be happy to explain Canadian constitutional law to them, beginning with the Treaty of Paris 1763

Dileas Gu Brath

[Zeitgeist]

Just now, eyeball said:

I think my question 'what are you guys waiting for' really clears the deck though.

 

You guys demonstrate that better than anyone.

You’re a total government enabler when it comes to overreach and threats to rights.  You don’t seem to have guiding principles except your in-camera ban.

[Zeitgeist]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I would be very surprised indeed, if any United Kingdom Special Forces Directorate personnel were not Loyalists

I have served under British Army command with 1st Battalion, The Highlanders ( Seaforth, Gordons & Camerons )

I have yet to meet any British soldier who was not absolutely loyal to the Commander-in-Chief unto death as necessary

but as an Ulster Scots Orangeman of Upper Canada, I am of course fiercely loyal to HM The Queen

more British than the British themselves, in the face of Washington, perhaps

over & above the Government of Canada & Confederation, certainly

as is the separation of powers by the the terms of the Canada Act 1982

and I make no apologies for it

if any member of the 22nd Special Air Service Regiment would like to take issue with that

I would be happy to explain Canadian constitutional law to them, beginning with the Treaty of Paris 1763

Dileas Gu Brath

I think we’re seeing a rehash of centuries-old battles: Vatican versus Elizabeth the First, France versus Britain, Whig versus Tory, Liberal versus Conservative.  The problem is that the current Liberals are undoing much more than the authority of the Crown, which was already substantially diminished.  They are currently undermining our whole liberal-democratic system and taking the country closer to Chinese style totalitarian capitalism, where rights are fewer and less protected, surveillance is heavy, government can discredit you for your political views, life is cheaper, history is erased, rich cultural roots are dismissed as colonial and oppressive, values are weak or confused, and so on.

Pied piper good-hair Justin Trudeau has led the country off the cliff of Post-National State.  Even many in the opposition didn’t see this coming.  2022 has been a nightmare for Canada, coming off the heels of an already very difficult pandemic period.

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You’re a total government enabler when it comes to overreach and threats to rights.  You don’t seem to have guiding principles except your in-camera ban.

So treating governments they way they would treat us will somehow enable their tyranny over us. Penetrating their secrecy will hurt us not them.

You don't seem to have any sense at all.

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

So treating governments they way they would treat us will somehow enable their tyranny over us. Penetrating their secrecy will hurt us not them.

You don't seem to have any sense at all.

I think oversight is good, but I’m not interested in more surveillance.  You can’t prevent people from having private conversations, thankfully.   This isn’t North Korea — yet.  

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

This kind of loyalty excess does not belong in the modern empire, belongs in the mind of SS or KGB type of person in my view.

I would assert that I am exponentially more loyal to Elizabeth Windsor

than the Nazi Schutzstaffel was loyal to Adolf Hitler

or the Soviet Komitet Gosudarstvennoy Bezopasnosti was loyal to the Politburo

those are both civilian agencies, not military formations, and they were both utterly corrupt

for an Ulster Scot, loyalty to the House of Windsor is religion

the zeal of the Scots Protestant Reformation, upon the banks of the Boyne River  in 1690

in the name of God Himself, Jesus of Nazareth

we are the Christian soldiers,

holy warriors for the Supremacy of God & the rule of law, within British Parliamentary Supremacy

we invented all that, Canada is our project, hence why we are called the Guardians of Confederation

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

I would assert that I am exponentially more loyal to Elizabeth Windsor

than the Nazi Schutzstaffel was loyal to Adolf Hitler

or the Soviet Komitet Gosudarstvennoy Bezopasnosti was loyal to the Politburo

those are both civilian agencies, not military formations, and they were both utterly corrupt

for an Ulster Scot, loyalty to the House of Windsor is religion

the zeal of the Scots Protestant Reformation, upon the banks of the Boyne River  in 1690

in the name of God Himself, Jesus of Nazareth

we are the Christian soldiers,

holy warriors for the Supremacy of God & the rule of law, within British Parliamentary Supremacy

we invented all that, Canada is our project, hence why we are called the Guardians of Confederation

And it’s important to remember that these are the source of the liberal-democratic rights and prosperity that we have today, including freedom of religion, assembly, speech, etc.  It evolved but kept core values in place, necessarily.  

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

And it’s important to remember that these are the source of the liberal-democratic rights and prosperity that we have today, including freedom of religion, assembly, speech, etc.  It evolved but kept core values in place, necessarily.  

at the going down of the sun and in the morning

every day is remembrance day

je me souviens bien sûr

bydand

 

[eyeball]

15 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I think oversight is good, but I’m not interested in more surveillance.  You can’t prevent people from having private conversations, thankfully.   This isn’t North Korea — yet.  

You can certainly do a lot more to ensure that only what is discussed in public goes into whatever policy comes out of the discussions.  You've never heard of Robert's Rules of Order?  If the meeting wasn't recorded then the meeting didn't happen and no business can be carried forward.

You can't prevent private conversations from happening but you can prevent private conversations from having an effect on the outcome of a public conversation.  

Edited August 21, 2022 by eyeball

[Dougie93]

19 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I think we’re seeing a rehash of centuries-old battles:

Veterans 4 Freedom is an exponential force multiplier therein

information warfighters

influence operations at the strategic level, nary a shot fired

the oath to the Commander-in-Chief never expires

Cuidich 'n Righ

[Zeitgeist]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You can certainly do a lot more to ensure that only what is discussed in public goes into whatever policy comes out of the discussions.  You've never heard of Robert's Rules of Order?  If the meeting wasn't recorded then the meeting didn't happen and no business can be carried forward.

You can't prevent private conversations from happening but you can prevent private conversations from having an effect on the outcome of a public conversation.  

I agree with much of this except the last paragraph.  Private conversations, and thoughts for that matter, do influence what we say in the public eye.  That’s a good thing.  At a certain point we have to trust.  

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

Veterans 4 Freedom is an exponential force multiplier therein

information warfighters

influence operations at the strategic level, nary a shot fired

the oath to the Commander-in-Chief never expires

Cuidich 'n Righ

I know you’re anti-papist.  I’m curious though.  Did you feel the same way about Pope JP2 or do you think our current Pope has strayed the path?

[Dougie93]

33 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I know you’re anti-papist.  I’m curious though.  Did you feel the same way about Pope JP2 or do you think our current Pope has strayed the path?

I simply recognize that the Pontifex Maximus is the last remaining office of the Roman Imperator

Tiberius Ceasar, Whore of Babylon

I none the less uphold the Canadian Peace of 1848

The Queen's Peace in Upper Canada

thus I enjoy cordial relations with the Papists here in Canada

I after all met my wife at McVeigh's New Windsor House Tavern in Toronto, a Fenian pub

 the local public house of the 48th Highlanders of Canada

as to John Paul II

I forgive him for his Popery, as his good works of course redeemed him many times over

redemption is the essence of Christianity after all

you however only have to observe Red Francis coming to take a knee with Justin Trudeau

to ascertain the ignominious nature of Popery as an institution

no surrender

Edited August 21, 2022 by Dougie93

[eyeball]

34 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I agree with much of this except the last paragraph.  Private conversations, and thoughts for that matter, do influence what we say in the public eye.  That’s a good thing.  At a certain point we have to trust.  

Up to that point though we need to verify.

Have all the private conversions you want, but when it comes to a paid lobbyist asking a public official for something the request needs to be recorded and witnessed as such. If that doesn't happen it can't be delivered on.

[Dougie93]

and again, in terms of the British Army ?

here is 1st Battalion, The Irish Guards

playing The Sash in honour of the 12th,

from Afghanistan

so if you think the British Army soldiers are not fiercely Loyalist, you probably don't know any of them

[Dougie93]

46 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Which crackpot right wing radio host puts this ideas in your head? Must be somebody new, after Limbaugh went on different lands.

heh

quite sure British monarchists are well to the right of Rush Limbaugh

and William III Prince of Orange, predates radio of course

tho he none the less conquered Britain, nary a shot fired

using a printing press

information warfare, circa 1688

Edited August 21, 2022 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

Which crackpot right wing radio host puts this ideas in your head? Must be somebody new, after Limbaugh went on different lands. 

Are you afraid of Liberals? 

You don’t know your own history.  Lol.  Also, Limbaugh?   Yeesh.  This is 2022. 

Edited August 21, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

8 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

 This is 2022. 

still the Party of Abraham Lincoln

the Abolitionists, to free all the slaves everywhere, or die trying

still the Party of Theodore Roosevelt

Bull Moose, against the elites of a new Guided Age

still the Party of Barry Goldwater

come & take these  States Rights from our cold dead hands

still the Party of Ronald Reagan

Peace Through Strength, Eagle with thunderbolts in talon's grasped

MAGA

[Zeitgeist]

For me the big opposing forces today are a society of liberty with God/Spirit at the centre versus a materialist cultural Marxist state with man (insert world leader: Mao, Lenin, Xi, etc.) at the centre.   The cultural Marxists have been in the ascendant and lead to nihilistic totalitarianism and trampling of the human spirit.