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WestCanMan · October 26, 2022

3 hours ago, Hodad said:

Yes, Alex, and no children were killed at Sandy Hook. They were all crisis actors, right?

Don't be an idiot. I never said anything about Sandy Hook.

I could just as easily accuse you of believing in Russian collusion and that there's a covid vaccine that will prevent you from getting infected or spreading it.

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I'm not aware of Epps urging people in on Jan 6, but he is certainly on video stressing "peacefully."

You're not up to speed on the basics then, yet you're pretending to know everything.

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And it's not any kind of stretch for someone to bail out on a peaceful protest when it turns violent.

He acknowledged that what he was saying would land him in jail. He knew he already crossed the Rubicon.

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There were a LOT of people there who didn't join the riot.

How many of them talked about the importance of entering the capitol like Epps did?

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Your "reasoning" is that the FBI did it,

I'm accusing the FBI of pushing the situation to make it worse in order to drum up some political theatre for the Dems, just like they did in the Whitmer case, just like they did with the meeting at Trump tower.

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and anything that contradicts that conclusion--including sworn testimony from any of the parties involved--is that the FBI made them say what they said.

The conclusion is pretty basic.

The FBI are conducting another massive show trial for the Dems, looking for anyone and everyone they can find to catalogue as "white domestic terrorists", and yet the guy who was front and center on Jan 6th, wearing a flashing sign that said "DOMESTIC TERRORIST LEADER", isn't getting arrested.

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and anything that contradicts that conclusion--including sworn testimony from any of the parties involved--is that the FBI made them say what they said.

They provided the kind of sworn testimony that furthers the FBI's mission.

Can you fully acknowledge that the FBI just criminally charged Trump associates and then offered them reduced sentences for false testimony in the collusion trial?

What makes you think I should believe people who basically take the stand to say "The FBI wants me to make the following statement...."?

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With thinking like that, you're literally beyond reach. Everything contrary to the conspiracy is part of the conspiracy! There's no way to drive a train back onto the tracks and I don't have a crane handy.

You've got a lot to learn from people who can watch a news program and not just soak it all up and regurgitate it without questioning any of it.

You're the exact type of person who regurgitated every single vax promise you heard, right from "They'll be safe and effective" to "Just because 88% of the people who are dying from covid are multi-vaxed doesn't mean that vaxed people can get infected, or spread covid."

Infidel Dog · October 27, 2022

BTW if anybody wants to check out the twisted truth of the claim Epps said "Peacefully" check out the first video on this page:

https://www.revolver.news/2021/12/damning-new-details-massive-web-unindicted-operators-january-6/

Epps shouts, "Tomorrow...we need to go into the Capitol. Into the Capitol."

Somebody in the crowd can't believe his ears and exclaims, "What?" The rest of the crowd responds "NOOOOO..." and that's when Epps adds "Peacefully."

Then a few in the crowd start chanting, "FED. FED. FED!"

Rebound · October 27, 2022

14 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

BTW if anybody wants to check out the twisted truth of the claim Epps said "Peacefully" check out the first video on this page:

https://www.revolver.news/2021/12/damning-new-details-massive-web-unindicted-operators-january-6/

Epps shouts, "Tomorrow...we need to go into the Capitol. Into the Capitol."

Somebody in the crowd can't believe his ears and exclaims, "What?" The rest of the crowd responds "NOOOOO..." and that's when Epps adds "Peacefully."

Then a few in the crowd start chanting, "FED. FED. FED!"

Why do you believe this ridiculous nonsense, instead of accepting what is right in front of your nose in plain daylight?

It is absolute, irrefutable fact that Trump lost, Trump KNEW he lost, his advisors and children all told him he lost, the US Congress and Senate told him he lost. The Supreme Court told him he lost. The individual states told him he lost. TRUMP LOST.

It is fact that Trump perpetuated a LIE, claiming he won. It is fact that Trump STILL has presented NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER of fraud.

That stuff is all plain as day. It is fact. Ray Epps is a conspiracy theory. I think you’re completely detached from reality. It’s so bizarre that you think states and Federal agencies lead by men loyal to Trump were all synchronized in a secret cabal lead out of Biden’s basement. You just aren’t thinking rationally at all, and neither is the pillow selling former drug addict.

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Hodad · October 27, 2022

20 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

BTW if anybody wants to check out the twisted truth of the claim Epps said "Peacefully" check out the first video on this page:

https://www.revolver.news/2021/12/damning-new-details-massive-web-unindicted-operators-january-6/

Epps shouts, "Tomorrow...we need to go into the Capitol. Into the Capitol."

Somebody in the crowd can't believe his ears and exclaims, "What?" The rest of the crowd responds "NOOOOO..." and that's when Epps adds "Peacefully."

Then a few in the crowd start chanting, "FED. FED. FED!"

Wow, that is a deeply paranoid group. -- Given how many had already planned to storm the building with violence I wonder if they are changing "Fed" because he added "peacefully?"

Hodad · October 27, 2022

23 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Oh yeah, Epps didn't want the cops to get hurt. He was with them. They were paying the check. But there's video of him helping carry a barricade to bust things up.

That video is weird. -- At any rate, both of the other guys you mention entered the capitol. People who entered got prosecuted. General rabble rousers outside did not.

Hodad · October 27, 2022

21 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Don't be an idiot. I never said anything about Sandy Hook.

I could just as easily accuse you of believing in Russian collusion and that there's a covid vaccine that will prevent you from getting infected or spreading it.

You could indeed accuse me of being a person who knows that the Republican-led Senate Intelligence committee report established Russian "collusion" and that the COVID vaccines reduce transmission. Both of those things are factually true.

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You're not up to speed on the basics then, yet you're pretending to know everything.

And yet you've provided no evidence. Hm...

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He acknowledged that what he was saying would land him in jail. He knew he already crossed the Rubicon.

He did not, in fact, cross the Rubicon. He did not enter the capitol and was indeed able to turn aside from that ruinous course.

Where I see a dipshit political hobbyist with little brains and less courage you see that the FBI asked some random dude with no network or influence to transform a peaceful gathering into a murderous mob. Because Epps is apparently the world's most charismatic and influential man.

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How many of them talked about the importance of entering the capitol like Epps did?

I'm accusing the FBI of pushing the situation to make it worse in order to drum up some political theatre for the Dems, just like they did in the Whitmer case, just like they did with the meeting at Trump tower.

The conclusion is pretty basic.

The FBI are conducting another massive show trial for the Dems, looking for anyone and everyone they can find to catalogue as "white domestic terrorists", and yet the guy who was front and center on Jan 6th, wearing a flashing sign that said "DOMESTIC TERRORIST LEADER", isn't getting arrested.

They provided the kind of sworn testimony that furthers the FBI's mission.

Can you fully acknowledge that the FBI just criminally charged Trump associates and then offered them reduced sentences for false testimony in the collusion trial?

What makes you think I should believe people who basically take the stand to say "The FBI wants me to make the following statement...."?

You've got a lot to learn from people who can watch a news program and not just soak it all up and regurgitate it without questioning any of it.

While you're weaving a conspiracy of wild speculation and zero evidence, you might as well wrap in the Illuminati and the lizard people.

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WestCanMan · October 27, 2022

22 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You could indeed accuse me of being a person who

OK, fine, you still believe in Russian collusion and the covid 'vaccine'. That's not anything to brag about.

Apparently Trump is on his way to jail then?

And our own government is lying when they put out stats showing that people with the jab are actually getting infected. And spreading covid. And even ending up in hospital. ICU. Wait, how many lies are they at already, an dthose are just the small ones.... "Vaxed" people are also dying... by the thousands. In fact, vaxed people die at the same rate as unvaxed - 86% of us are vaxed, and 86% of our deaths are among the vaxed this year.

That's a vaccine, you say?

Thanks for comin' out.

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And yet you've provided no evidence. Hm...

I don't have to provide evidence of anything that is common knowledge. That evidence forms the whole basis of this dialogue.

If you're haven't even bothered to look at the basic evidence of this topic then you're also saying that your opinion is worthless.

I wouldn't talk about the economy if I didn't know what a dollar was. I would never chime in on a debate completely unprepared, and just willing to wing it on a few lies, like you do.

I commend you on your ability to maintain your false sense of self confidence in the face of all evidence I guess?

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He did not, in fact, cross the Rubicon. He did not enter the capitol and was indeed able to turn aside from that ruinous course.

Wow, I guess a guy can say pretty much anything they want to, and it's not a crime, hey?

But wait, why do they keep talking about Trump's words? Do words matter? Not according to you they don't. Trump didn't rush the capitol, guns blazin', chuckin' nades left and right, chompin' on a ceegar and biotch-slappin cops and Demmies, did he?

I can't wait to see that video ? (FYI that's sarcasm, it never actually happened, but you can believe it if you want. Nothing would surprise me less)

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While you're weaving a conspiracy of wild speculation and zero evidence,

I know that video evidence presented under oath is weak by your standards, leftists only consider "anonymous sources" to be gospel truth. My bad.

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you might as well wrap in the Illuminati and the lizard people.

Go ahead, tell us what you "know" about the lizard people, Hodad.

I promise I'll give it the same level of consideration as I give all of your other "delightfully colourful" commentary. Sadly, that's no joke.

Edited October 27, 2022 by WestCanMan

Infidel Dog · October 27, 2022

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

Wow, that is a deeply paranoid group. -- Given how many had already planned to storm the building with violence I wonder if they are changing "Fed" because he added "peacefully?"

They screamed "Noooo!" when Epps yelled at them to go into the capitol building the following day. It's on the video clip you seem to be suggesting you watched.

I'd try to translate that "No!" into Prog for you so you can understand what "No" means when a Republican says it, but in Progressive it seems impossible to point out the obvious.

Infidel Dog · October 27, 2022

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

That video is weird. -- At any rate, both of the other guys you mention entered the capitol. People who entered got prosecuted. General rabble rousers outside did not.

Are you saying they couldn't prosecute the guy who incited people for 2 days to go into the capitol building because he was savvy enough not to take his own advice and actually go into the capitol building?

You seem to have missed the clip I posted on the New York times article describing what Epps did:

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The report also said Epps committed an offense by entering a restricted part of Capitol grounds but added that the crime "has largely gone unpunished."

Now if that's not enough to allow a prosecution explain this:

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Owen Shroyer, a host on Alex Jones’ Infowars network, has been charged for partaking in the riot at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, BuzzFeed News reports.

The U.S. attorney’s office in Washington D.C. charged Shroyer with illegally going into a restricted area on the Capitol grounds and disorderly conduct. Shroyer is seen in images standing on stage at the “Stop the Steal” rally on Jan. 6 alongside Jones. An anonymous tipster informed the FBI that Shroyer appeared in video showing him at the top of a flight of stairs on the east side of the Capitol.

https://deadstate.org/prosecutors-charge-infowars-host-owen-shroyer-for-rioting-at-the-capitol-on-jan-6/

ironstone · October 27, 2022

On 10/26/2022 at 3:57 PM, Hodad said:

Yes, Alex, and no children were killed at Sandy Hook. They were all crisis actors, right?

I'm not aware of Epps urging people in on Jan 6, but he is certainly on video stressing "peacefully." And it's not any kind of stretch for someone to bail out on a peaceful protest when it turns violent. There were a LOT of people there who didn't join the riot.

Your "reasoning" is that the FBI did it, and anything that contradicts that conclusion--including sworn testimony from any of the parties involved--is that the FBI made them say what they said.

With thinking like that, you're literally beyond reach. Everything contrary to the conspiracy is part of the conspiracy! There's no way to drive a train back onto the tracks and I don't have a crane handy.

Do you have any explanation why Epps gets not only a pass from the justice system , but he is also defended by the MSM while those who stood beside him feel the full weight of the law?

You aren't even the least bit curious about this?

Infidel Dog · October 27, 2022

If you'd like to see Epps inciting a riot from a restricted area, Nancy Pelosi made a boo boo.

She was busy trying to show us what a heroic figure she was during the riot and her videographer wasn't paying attention to what was in the background.

It was Ray Epps shouting instructions from a raised platform about 30 feet in the air just outside the entrance to the Capitol building. Go ahead. Tell me he's allowed up there. I could use a laugh.

WHOOPS: CNN Shows Ray Epps Footage Shot By Nancy Pelosi’s Daughter in Jan 6 Propaganda Segment

Hodad · October 27, 2022

15 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

They screamed "Noooo!" when Epps yelled at them to go into the capitol building the following day. It's on the video clip you seem to be suggesting you watched.

I'd try to translate that "No!" into Prog for you so you can understand what "No" means when a Republican says it, but in Progressive it seems impossible to point out the obvious.

I am a bit confused, because the Trump apologists have spent the last 7 years telling us that "no" sometimes means "yes"-- whether it comes to women or the electorate.

But more seriously, people are going to prison for planning a pre-meditated, violent insurrection, and you honestly believe that the best your twisted version of the FBI could come up with was an unknown dude from Arizona with no organization and no influence? That makes sense in your mind?

Hodad · October 28, 2022

36 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Are you saying they couldn't prosecute the guy who incited people for 2 days to go into the capitol building because he was savvy enough not to take his own advice and actually go into the capitol building?

You seem to have missed the clip I posted on the New York times article describing what Epps did:

Now if that's not enough to allow a prosecution explain this:

https://deadstate.org/prosecutors-charge-infowars-host-owen-shroyer-for-rioting-at-the-capitol-on-jan-6/

It says in the quote you've quoted multiple times that that violation- going onto the grounds- has largely gone unpunished. I thought you understood what it meant, but just to be clear they are not saying that it has largely gone unpunished in Epps case. They are stating, as I did, that people who went on the grounds but not into the capital have largely gone unpunished. Meaning Epps is being treated like everyone else who didn't enter the building.

Also, I believe you misunderstand Shroyer's legal situation, which began prior to Jan 6.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/1428181/download&ved=2ahUKEwiPy9-P0IH7AhUxlIkEHVz2AMUQFnoECAwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0QNp9F4SceTYPJV0JtDV6E

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Infidel Dog · October 28, 2022

3 minutes ago, Hodad said:

But more seriously, people are going to prison for planning a pre-meditated, violent insurrection

Bullshit.

Show me the premeditation. A few anti-government or BLM/Antifa instigators maybe, but cut the hyperbole. There was some vandalism and jostling with the police that didn't even reach the level of a George Floyd riot. And there's a good argument the police started that.

BTW, did you know Epps was an Oath keeper. More likely an FBI infiltrator in the organization but still...

Infidel Dog · October 28, 2022

5 minutes ago, Hodad said:

It says in the quote you've quoted multiple times that that violation- going onto the grounds- has largely gone unpunished.

Of course, I do. Do you? Offences punishable by law that were committed by Epps were not acted on. The 65 year old Gramma doing hard time right now for something they cooked up called "parading" is making tea and cookies for 'Orange is the new Black' now though.

Explain the discrepancy.

Hodad · October 28, 2022

40 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Do you have any explanation why Epps gets not only a pass from the justice system , but he is also defended by the MSM while those who stood beside him feel the full weight of the law?

You aren't even the least bit curious about this?

I rejectt the premise. The "MSM" thinks he's and idiot, but in terms of "a pass" he seems to have been treated as like transgressors by the law. The only reason the media has any reason at all to talk about Epps is because of the cockamamie conspiracy theory. Otherwise he's just another red hat atop an empty head in the crowd of many.

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Hodad · October 28, 2022

8 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Bullshit.

Show me the premeditation. A few anti-government or BLM/Antifa instigators maybe, but cut the hyperbole. There was some vandalism and jostling with the police that didn't even reach the level of a George Floyd riot. And there's a good argument the police started that.

BTW, did you know Epps was an Oath keeper. More likely an FBI infiltrator in the organization but still...

Have you not followed the Stewart Rhodes Oathkeeper trial for seditious conspiracy? Pre planned well in advance, with documentation to support.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2022/10/20/us/politics/oath-keepers-jan-6-trial.amp.html

Hodad · October 28, 2022

7 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Of course, I do. Do you? Offences punishable by law that were committed by Epps were not acted on. The 65 year old Gramma doing hard time right now for something they cooked up called "parading" is making tea and cookies for 'Orange is the new Black' now though.

Explain the discrepancy.

It's called prosecutorial restraint. You think they should put everyone who passed the barricade in prison? I wouldn't mind, but I think it's reasonable to reserve serious consequences for the more serious offenders.

If you want me to speak to the issue of the 65 year old grandma you'll have to identify her. I don't mainline Tucker's bullshit.

Infidel Dog · October 28, 2022

51 minutes ago, Hodad said:

It says in the quote you've quoted multiple times that that violation- going onto the grounds- has largely gone unpunished. I thought you understood what it meant, but just to be clear they are not saying that it has largely gone unpunished in Epps case. They are stating, as I did, that people who went on the grounds but not into the capital have largely gone unpunished. Meaning Epps is being treated like everyone else who didn't enter the building.

Also, I believe you misunderstand Shroyer's legal situation, which began prior to Jan 6.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/1428181/download&ved=2ahUKEwiPy9-P0IH7AhUxlIkEHVz2AMUQFnoECAwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0QNp9F4SceTYPJV0JtDV6E

And were all these people who weren't "punished" standing on a thirty foot platform in a restricted area inciting the crowd to enter the capitol building?

Because if they weren't I'm not sure I get why you're so desperate to make a false equivalency of Epps to them.

As to your link, I waded through it. There's a lot inconsequential gobbledygook about what a bad boy Shroyer is for being an infowars reporter and how a year earlier he interrupted a committee meeting by shouting from the gallery. Blah, blah, blah. The only thing that matters as far as comparing what Shroyer did Jan 6 to what Eps did is this at the very end (and I'd like the time of my life back that I wasted up to that point.)

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Based on the foregoing, your affiant submits that there is probable cause to believe that SHROYER violated 18 U.S.C. § 1752(a)(1) and (2), which makes it a crime to (1) knowingly enter or remain in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority to do; and (2) knowingly, and with intent to impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business or official...

There's more on another page but it won't allow copying. Doesn't matter. It all says the same thing. There's nothing Shroyer did that Epps didn't do.

Look will you stop with the black is white crap and 'pay no attention to your lying eyes.' Ignore the obvious.'

Epps incited a riot. From a restricted area even. Anybody who did anything close to that is doing time as a political prisoner or waiting to do time. The fact Epps isn't throws shade on the whole process - as in it makes it look shady.

Infidel Dog · October 28, 2022

53 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Have you not followed the Stewart Rhodes Oathkeeper trial for seditious conspiracy? Pre planned well in advance, with documentation to support.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2022/10/20/us/politics/oath-keepers-jan-6-trial.amp.html

Yes. Now tell me how that conflicts with this:

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A few anti-government or BLM/Antifa instigators maybe, but cut the hyperbole. There was some vandalism and jostling with the police that didn't even reach the level of a George Floyd riot. And there's a good argument the police started that.

Infidel Dog · October 28, 2022

Again stop asking us to ignore the obvious.

Epps incited a riot for 2 days and finished in a restricted area.

Three more pages of babbledy gook won't change that.

ironstone · October 28, 2022

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

I rejectt the premise. The "MSM" thinks he's and idiot, but in terms of "a pass" he seems to have been treated as like transgressors by the law. The only reason the media has any reason at all to talk about Epps is because of the cockamamie conspiracy theory. Otherwise he's just another red hat atop an empty head in the crowd of many.

The New York Times is unabashedly pro-Democrat and everyone on their editorial board and on down thoroughly despises Donald Trump, Republicans everything they stand for. When they come to the defense of a single Trump supporter that is on tape egging on other protesters that raises a gigantic red flag.

Infidel Dog · October 28, 2022

3 hours ago, Hodad said:

If you want me to speak to the issue of the 65 year old grandma you'll have to identify her. I don't mainline Tucker's bullshit.

Is Tucker your own personal boogeyman or something?

Whatever...here ya go. No Tucker though:

Rebound · October 28, 2022

10 hours ago, ironstone said:

The New York Times is unabashedly pro-Democrat and everyone on their editorial board and on down thoroughly despises Donald Trump, Republicans everything they stand for. When they come to the defense of a single Trump supporter that is on tape egging on other protesters that raises a gigantic red flag.

David Brooks is a Republican.