First a trickle....Now a flood

[User]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

That is a years old talking point from MSM that is not borne out by the data.

Not a talking point, not years old. The data still shows this to be true, I already posted some. They are still releasing studies on the data showing significant numbers of people avoided death and serious illness with the vaccine. 

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

It's not like any other vaccine.  The injuries and deaths from it far eclipse all other vaccines put together.

Prove it. 

[WestCanMan]

11 hours ago, User said:

Yes. I have already answered this question. The vaccine significantly reduced severe illness, hospitalizations, and death for those who were vaccinated. 

You've been stooged, User.

Covid deaths went up sharply, all that they did to make the vax seem successful is pretend that infections went up by even more. 

"Sure, there were 30% more deaths, but there were almost 4x as many hospitalizations and several times as many infections 🤡" 

So that's..... good?

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You don't believe this. 

 I don't just believe it, I know it, and so do you. I posted Health Canada's own stats here in this thread. 

[WestCanMan]

User, from the Health Canada covid deaths page I posted here:

15,890 covid deaths in Canada in 2020

14,466 covid deaths in Canada in 2021

19,716 covid deaths in Canada in 2022

 

19,716 - 14,466 = 5,250.   5250/14466 = 36.3%.

Covid deaths were actually 36.3% higher in 2022 than in 2021.

I used to say 30% because the stats that I had at the time ended in Dec 2022, so they weren't accurate enough to round to the nearest tenth, or even to the nearest percent. I just rounded it down to 30%.

Covid deaths in 2022 were 36.3% higher than they were in 2021, but covid wasn't in the news anymore in 2022. 

Covid deaths in 2022 were even 24% higher than in 2020, when covid was a "novel virus". 

 

Do you notice that I can post stats from the entire country that I live in, Canada, for all 3 years of covid, and you have to post stats from a hospital in Razn Iran for just a couple months? 

[User]

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Covid deaths went up sharply, all that they did to make the vax seem successful is pretend that infections went up by even more. 

"Sure, there were 30% more deaths, but there were almost 4x as many hospitalizations and several times as many infections 🤡" 

So that's..... good?

You don't actually believe these numbers. How can you argue they prove anything when you don't believe they exist at all?

16 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I don't just believe it, I know it, and so do you. I posted Health Canada's own stats here in this thread. 

So, you are now revising all your past comments, and do believe all these people died from COVID and you no longer believe it was all a big lie to get $$$ to say people died from COVID even though it was the flu?

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Covid deaths in 2022 were 36.3% higher than they were in 2021, but covid wasn't in the news anymore in 2022. 

You are just going to keep lying. I already proved this wrong. 

[User]

9 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Do you notice that I can post stats from the entire country that I live in, Canada, for all 3 years of covid, and you have to post stats from a hospital in Razn Iran for just a couple months? 

I posted numbers from Washington, I see you are just going to stay hung up on your first dishonest talking point and ignore that. 

And again... you don't believe those numbers from Canada. How can something you don't believe to be true prove anything?

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, User said:

You don't actually believe these numbers. How can you argue they prove anything when you don't believe they exist at all?

So, you are now revising all your past comments, and do believe all these people died from COVID and you no longer believe it was all a big lie to get $$$ to say people died from COVID even though it was the flu?

I cited the numbers that were used to justify locking down the country, and forcing young people to vax. 

Regardless of wether or not those numbers matter to you personally, they are the only consequential stats we have in Canada.

Furthermore, the people who claimed to believe the numbers for 2020 and 2021 (people like Trudeau, CBC, CTV, Global, all the vaxtards here, etc) have no choice but to acknowledge the numbers for 2022.

This isn't about your opinion, User, or what you think that I think, it's about what Trudeau and our MSM said and did to this country based on those stats from that source.

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You are just going to keep lying. I already proved this wrong. 

You lying piece of shit. I posted health Canada's own link, and a screenshot of what you'll see there.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/en/daily-quotidien/231127/dq231127b-eng.pdf?st=hGEgyrT3 These are the numbers Health Canada and the PM used to justify lockdowns, vax mandates and forced vaccinations. 

Covid deaths were 36.3% higher in 2022 than they were in 2021, according to the people who used these exact covid stats from this exact source to inflict lockdowns, vax-mandates and forced vaccinations on Canadians. 

That is an absolute statement of fact. Don't fire back with your id10tic opinions. IDGAF what you think. 

[User]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

This isn't about your opinion, User, or what you think that I think, it's about what Trudeau and our MSM said and did to this country based on those stats from that source.

Nope, you keep trying to use those numbers to prove another one of your bad arguments. It is a dishonest game. 

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You lying piece of shit. I posted health Canada's own link, and a screenshot of what you'll see there.

No, you are the lying piece of shit. I already showed you this was not ignored in the media.

"but covid wasn't in the news anymore in 2022. "

[Goddess]

13 hours ago, User said:

Prove it. 

I have.  Every country's VAERS equivalent says so.

And not just more injuries and deaths - a much larger variety of injuries: cardiac, hema issues, neuro, prion diseases, you name it.

Edited October 17, 2024 by Goddess

[Goddess]

9 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You lying piece of shit.

He thinks 30% more deaths after mass vaccination is GOOD.  A SUCCESS!!

You're not going to convince him it might be.....not be a good thing.

Because he's an id!0t.

11 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I posted Health Canada's own stats here in this thread. 

They don't like data.

They like CBC headlines.

Wheeeeeeee!

[Goddess]

On 10/11/2024 at 1:55 PM, WestCanMan said:

Do you know that I spent all of 2022 telling the id10ts here, like @eyeball and @ExFlyer, that covid deaths were actually higher in Canada in 2022 than they were in 2021, and they didn't believe me? Not at all.

If it's not in a CBC headline, it doesn't exist.

Some brains are smooth where they should be bumpy.

[Michael Hardner]

8 hours ago, Goddess said:

 

They don't like data.

 

Data is part of it.  But looking at data only gives you "observations" not "causality".

I took a statistics course where we regularly found examples of statistics that were "correlated" but had nothing to do with each other.  If you find two factors that seem to be linked, it could be that either one causes each other or that another combination of root causes impacts both factors.

The media is notoriously terrible at this, when they lead with a headline that says "New study links X to Y".  That is actually a report of something to be looked into, not a conclusion.  So, comparing two countries in terms of correlated factors is impossible unless they are very close in characteristics.  Comparing the USA to Canada, on the whole, is a pretty good match.

Just some nuggets of knowledge, if you care

[User]

11 hours ago, Goddess said:

I have.  Every country's VAERS equivalent says so.

VAERS is an unverified self-reporting system. That doesn't prove anything. 

 

11 hours ago, Goddess said:

He thinks 30% more deaths after mass vaccination is GOOD.  A SUCCESS!!

That is not my argument and this is not the first time you have had to lie about me or what I have said here. 

11 hours ago, Goddess said:

They don't like data.

He doesn't believe that data. Do you? 

[WestCanMan]

16 hours ago, Goddess said:

They don't like data.

They like CBC headlines.

Wheeeeeeee!

Ain't that the truth...

I find it absurd that people still consider what they see on CBC, Global and CTV "the news" by the time they're 20 but whatever. 

[Goddess]

On 10/17/2024 at 5:59 AM, Michael Hardner said:

But looking at data only gives you "observations" not "causality".

I went over in detail the Bradford-Hill Criteria for Causality, if you care to have a look at it.

Data is not just for "observation".  In conjunction with the Bradford-Hill Criteria, it becomes a "signal" that should be investigated.

[Goddess]

On 10/17/2024 at 9:22 AM, User said:

VAERS is an unverified self-reporting system. That doesn't prove anything. 

 

Not exactly.  It's supposed to be mainly doctors that report.  They are the main reporters on the system.

There are very stiff penalties for false reporting to VAERS, so it's doubtful that it's filled with fake information.

It is very cumbersome, though, so many doctors do not have the time to report.  Stats say less than 10% of adverse reactions make it onto VAERS.

If you believe VAERS is worthless, do you not find it disturbing that an experimental injection was forced on the entire world population with absolutely no way to track how the experiment was going?

[User]

5 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Not exactly.  It's supposed to be mainly doctors that report.  They are the main reporters on the system.

Yes, exactly. Even the doctors reporting things are reporting *ANY* kind of issues and the unverified part is if they have anything to do with the vaccine or not. 

5 minutes ago, Goddess said:

There are very stiff penalties for false reporting to VAERS, so it's doubtful that it's filled with fake information.

No, there are not stiff penalties and you have to prove someone "knowingly" did it. Which is a very hard barrier to cross, if someone feels their bum knee was caused by the COVID vaccine, you can't prove they knowingly were trying to falsify a report... 

7 minutes ago, Goddess said:

It is very cumbersome, though, so many doctors do not have the time to report.  Stats say less than 10% of adverse reactions make it onto VAERS.

Sure... because most adverse reactions are insignificant. They cause no major illness, serious bodily harm, or death. Are they going to report that you felt sick to your stomach for 30 minutes then were just fine? No, not likely. 

8 minutes ago, Goddess said:

If you believe VAERS is worthless, do you not find it disturbing that an experimental injection was forced on the entire world population with absolutely no way to track how the experiment was going?

See, this is the dishonest game you play. I never said VAERS was worthless. I said what you are doing, by trying to claim VAERS is your evidence of harm, is wrong. 

The vaccine was not "experimental." 

I have already said I do not support mandates. 

 

[Goddess]

The phrase "correlation does not equal causation" has become a cop-out during covid.

If you give 10 people an experimental injection and 2 of them die immediately, another 2 become permanently disabled and 3 of them have a life-or-death reaction, you don't get to just say "You can't prove it's the injection" and move on.

Id10ts, the lot of you.

[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, User said:

No, there are not stiff penalties

Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) Questions and Answers | FDA

As stated on the VAERS report form, “knowingly filing a false VAERS report with the intent to mislead the Department of Health and Human Services is a violation of Federal law (18 U.S. Code § 1001) punishable by fine and imprisonment.”  

 

I stopped reading your post when you said there are no penalties for false reporting to VAERS.

[User]

3 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I stopped reading your post when you said there are no penalties for false reporting to VAERS.

You can't read at all. I did not say there are "no penalties"

 

[Goddess]

19 minutes ago, User said:

No, there are not stiff penalties

 

9 minutes ago, User said:

I did not say there are "no penalties"

Ya, ok.

[User]

5 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Ya, ok.

If you try really hard, you can almost see that word in there you are ignoring now. 

 

[Goddess]

Just now, User said:

If you try really hard, you can almost see that word in there you are ignoring now. 

 

Imprisonment is not a stiff penalty for filing a false report? 

You keep arguing how worthless VAERS is and the data is meaningless, it's full of fake reports by non-doctors and then deny you mean it's "worthless".

Bugger off.

 

Have any of you ever read any VAERS reports? Or you're just repeating media talking points?

Because the vast majority of them are clearly filled out by doctors, lots of medical terminology and abbreviations.

[User]

4 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Imprisonment is not a stiff penalty for filing a false report? 

Glad you figured this out. An apology would be in order. 

What is the going punishment these days for a VAERS falsification prosecution? How many people get prison time and when they do, how much is it?

This is the way almost any federal law is written, prison time or fines. Doesn't mean it is stiff. 

6 minutes ago, Goddess said:

You keep arguing how worthless VAERS is and the data is meaningless

Nope. Another lie from you. That is not what I argued at all. I already explained this to you. 

7 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Bugger off.

No. 

[Goddess]

I find it really disheartening and truly sad how many parents are here on this forum who would give their child an experimental injection and then take that kid to the ER 3 times in 3 weeks, then find him dead in his bedroom on the 33rd day and would ask no questions and want no answers.

Myself and West Can Man are like the only ones who would fight like Dan Hartman.

The rest of you would just be like, "oh well."

[Goddess]

12 minutes ago, User said:

prison time or fines. Doesn't mean it is stiff. 

Prison would be easy for you.

That's great for you.  Means it wouldn't deter you from wrongdoing.

I'm learning so much about you.

52 minutes ago, User said:

I have already said I do not support mandates. 

Sure you do.

You did nothing about them when it happened.