First a trickle....Now a flood

[WestCanMan]

13 minutes ago, User said:

What deaths went up?

The gov't's own "covid deaths" stat. The one that freaked leftards out so bad that they welcomed fascism to save us all.

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You keep obfuscating around the fact that anyone died of COVID. You claim the Hospitals and everyone lied about those deaths and marked people off as COVID deaths for the money, that all those flu deaths were actually counted as COVID deaths. 

It doesn't matter what deaths went in there. You always believed it, and that number went up by 30% in 2022. 

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Nope, try again. 

Now you're denying that you called the vax campaign a success?

I guess we agree then. The vax campaign was a failure. 

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If you don't know, why are you mocking his numbers?

He cited that number, thinking it was big. 

I merely pointed out that his number was actually small enough that when the flu rolls around we ignore it and collectively move on... We don't go batshit fascism-crazy. 

There was no need for me to dig up my own number to prove him wrong - I accepted his number at face value and discussed it on his terms.

1) we don't always have to sealion, and 2) that's between me, goddess and eyeball.

If you want to chime in, get your own numbers or use eyeball's, I don't care. 

[User]

21 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The gov't's own "covid deaths" stat. The one that freaked leftards out so bad that they welcomed fascism to save us all.

So, you are using stats you don't believe are real... to argue a point about how the vaccine was not a success... 

Make that make sense. 

23 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It doesn't matter what deaths went in there. You always believed it, and that number went up by 30% in 2022. 

Oh, I see; when your deceitful double-dealing is called out, now it doesn't matter. Except, it does still matter. You are making a claim about what that increase in deaths mean and you can't even define it or admit you actually think any of it is real. 

24 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Now you're denying that you called the vax campaign a success?

I guess we agree then. The vax campaign was a failure.

You are the one who inserted the term "campaign," not me. 

25 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

He cited that number, thinking it was big. 

I merely pointed out that his number was actually small enough that when the flu rolls around we ignore it and collectively move on... We don't go batshit fascism-crazy. 

So... what happened to all those flu deaths then? You try to claim that the flu deaths still happened, but the Hospitals all lied to get the COVID money, but now they didn't lie to get all that COVID money off all the kids that die of the flu?

Once again, you have defeated yourself with your own contradictions. 

27 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

If you want to chime in, get your own numbers or use eyeball's, I don't care. 

You were not smart enough to see the road I was leading you down. You try to claim the health care industry was lying about COVID deaths when they were flu deaths to get the money. 

Now you claim there were way more flu deaths with kids before the pandemic than COVID deaths during the pandemic. 

So, did the Hospitals all of a sudden decide not to lie about kids dying from COVID when it was actually the flu? Where did all those kids dying of the flu go during the pandemic?

[WestCanMan]

20 minutes ago, User said:

So, you are using stats you don't believe are real... to argue a point about how the vaccine was not a success... 

Make that make sense. 

I'm using stats that you never questioned. Stats that you have believed for 4 years now. Of course that makes sense to you. 

If I was talking to goddess I'd never say that "covid killed 48,000 Canadians in 3 years", but you won't accept anything less than that figure.

I'm talking to you on your chosen terms, about your chosen stats from your sources. You're sealioning your own sources, dummy. They say 48k. So I say "Yes, sure, have it your way: 48K people died of covd here, User" because there's no point arguing it. 

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Oh, I see; when your deceitful double-dealing is called out, now it doesn't matter. Except, it does still matter. You are making a claim about what that increase in deaths mean and you can't even define it or admit you actually think any of it is real. 

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They're your stats, dummy. You believe them. 

I'm talking to you on your terms. 

I'm saying that "By your own accepted stats, the vax was a failure." Because it was, by your stats. 

The fact that your stats are bunk is an aside here. 

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You were not smart enough to see the road I was leading you down. You try to claim the health care industry was lying about COVID deaths when they were flu deaths to get the money. 

Now you claim there were way more flu deaths with kids before the pandemic than COVID deaths during the pandemic. 

Gawd, you're unfathomably stupid. 

1. The health care industry was basically bribed into categorizing flu deaths as covid deaths, yes
2. 1 There are good flu years, where less people die than usual, and bad flu years where more people die than usual. The Spanish flu was a good example of a very very bad flu for healthy people (that flu KILLED healthy people). The swine flu was a bad one for kids. Some flu seasons are mild. Live and learn, kiddo. 2 The flu apparently didn't kill a lot of kids during the covid years. That's good.  3 covid actually did help cause a lot of excess deaths in the 80+ category. It didn't kill kids - no one has tried to make the case that it did, even when our gov't was trying to get people to vax them.

Those are just facts. I don't choose them, and it's weird that you think I did. Just learn from it, or even research it if you want. 

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So, did the Hospitals all of a sudden decide not to lie about kids dying from COVID when it was actually the flu? Where did all those kids dying of the flu go during the pandemic?

I think you're confusing global paediatric covid deaths, which eyeball apparently cited (17K), with Canadian paediatric covid deaths, which was only at 19 people under 20 yrs old, after almost 2 full years (Jan 2020-Nov 2021). 

You need to calm down, User. I feel like you're about to have an aneurism. 

[User]

16 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I'm talking to you on your chosen terms, about your chosen stats from your sources.

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17 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I'm saying that "By your own accepted stats, the vax was a failure." Because it was, by your stats. 

The fact that your stats are bunk is an aside here. 

Very odd. So then, you don't really think the vaccine was a failure after all. Its just an argument for arguments sake on your part. 

18 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The health care industry was basically bribed into categorizing flu deaths as covid deaths, yes

Just not for kids?

18 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

1 There are good flu years, where less people die than usual, and bad flu years where more people die than usual. The Spanish flu was a good example of a very very bad flu for healthy people (that flu KILLED healthy people). The swine flu was a bad one for kids. Some flu seasons are mild. Live and learn, kiddo. 2 The flu apparently didn't kill a lot of kids during the covid years. That's good.  3 covid actually did help cause a lot of excess deaths in the 80+ category. It didn't kill kids - no one has tried to make the case that it did, even when our gov't was trying to get people to vax them.

LOL... wait a minute, so, the flu didn't kill a lot of kids during the COVID years, but it did kill the same amount of adults during the COVID years?

You just make this shit up as you go. 

So, lets review your genius position here. 

The flu never went away during COVID, the amount of people died, its just that everyone was lying about it for the $$$, except, not for kids. Now all of a sudden they were not in it for the money and flu deaths really did go down for kids. 

Oh yeah, sure jan. 

21 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I think you're confusing global paediatric covid deaths, which eyeball apparently cited (17K), with Canadian paediatric covid deaths, which was only at 19 people under 20 yrs old, after almost 2 full years (Jan 2020-Nov 2021). 

Not confusing anything here. Just pointing out you are trying to have your argument both ways and are once again contradicting yourself. 

[WestCanMan]

3 minutes ago, User said:

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Very odd. So then, you don't really think the vaccine was a failure after all. Its just an argument for arguments sake on your part. 

It was a failure, by your stats and standards. 

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Just not for kids?

LOL... wait a minute, so, the flu didn't kill a lot of kids during the COVID years, but it did kill the same amount of adults during the COVID years?

No one knows about adults, because flu stats were merged with covid stats. 

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The flu never went away during COVID,

It theoretically did. It "went down by 96.5%". Call that what you want.

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the amount of people died,

Roughly. Everything we know about statistics says "roughly".

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its just that everyone was lying about it for the $$$, except, not for kids.

Not a lot of kids died that flu season, so no one could say "kids died of covid". We got lucky.

If 2020 was a bad flu season for kids, more kids would have been injected with the dangerous pseudovax.

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Now all of a sudden they were not in it for the money and flu deaths really did go down for kids. 

Not a lot of kids died that flu season, so no one could say "kids died of covid".

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Oh yeah, sure jan. 

Not confusing anything here. Just pointing out you are trying to have your argument both ways and are once again contradicting yourself. 

You're just stupid, User. Sorry. 

[User]

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It was a failure, by your stats and standards. 

OK, so you don't think it was a failure, you just think I should think its a failure? LOL

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

No one knows about adults, because flu stats were merged with covid stats. 

This doesn't answer either of my questions. How do you reconcile your claims that everyone was in on this lie for COVID $$$... er, well, just not for kids?

9 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It theoretically did. It "went down by 96.5%". Call that what you want.

Just not for kids?

9 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Roughly. Everything we know about statistics says "roughly".

Just not for kids?

9 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Not a lot of kids died that flu season, so no one could say "kids died of covid". We got lucky.

So... the flu took a break for kids, but not adults? How do you reconcile that?

Luck is not an answer. 

11 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You're just stupid, User. Sorry. 

I am not the one on here trying to claim the flu somehow killed adults just the same as always, the entire industry lied and said it was COVID... er, well, just not kids though. 

[WestCanMan]

43 minutes ago, User said:

OK, so you don't think it was a failure, you just think I should think its a failure? LOL

It absolutely was a failure. I've said it many times.

We forced people to take a "vaccine", and deaths went way up. Plus the pseudovaccine killed people who didn't even need the protection of a vax.

Unless you're genocidal, that's bad.

If the gov't said "Your kid has to take a vaccine for the regular seasonal flu this year", and then it killed your kid, and flu deaths remained unchanged or went up, you'd understand how other people feel about this. 

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So... the flu took a break for kids, but not adults? How do you reconcile that?

The flu didn't "take a break" for kids, because the 2020 flu season death toll wasn't down by 96.5% for children, like it was among adults. 

[User]

24 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It absolutely was a failure. I've said it many times.

So... you think it was a failure, just not because of the COVID death statistics you keep using to claim it was one. 

Got it. *face palm*

25 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

We forced people to take a "vaccine", and deaths went way up. Plus the pseudovaccine killed people who didn't even need the protection of a vax.

Wait... you mean, the deaths you don't believe happened?

25 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Unless you're genocidal, that's bad.

Well, no. None of this actually happened according to you. Its just an argument for the sake of argument on your part. 

26 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

If the gov't said "Your kid has to take a vaccine for the regular seasonal flu this year", and then it killed your kid, and flu deaths remained unchanged or went up, you'd understand how other people feel about this. 

But, no kids died... 

26 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The flu didn't "take a break" for kids, because the 2020 flu season death toll wasn't down by 96.5% for children, like it was among adults. 

Yeah... sure, what is your theory there, that the flu magically changed just for kids?

 

[WestCanMan]

49 minutes ago, User said:

So... you think it was a failure, just not because of the COVID death statistics you keep using to claim it was one. 

Got it. *face palm*

Lethal vaccine + rising death count = failure, unless you're genocidal.

It's pretty simple.

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Wait... you mean, the deaths you don't believe happened?

The pseudovaccine actually did kill people.

I know that you don't want to touch on that fact, but it's true.

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Well, no. None of this actually happened according to you. Its just an argument for the sake of argument on your part. 

But, no kids died... 

You're really stupid. No one said that.

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Yeah... sure, what is your theory there, that the flu magically changed just for kids?

It didn't change outside of the realm of possibility for kids. Some years the flu kills a lot of kids, some years very few.

The 'flu' killing 96.5% less adults than normal is outside of the realm of possibility. 

[Goddess]

On 10/8/2024 at 4:24 PM, WestCanMan said:

You're really stupid.

I can't figure out if he's literally stupid or just pretending to be stupid.

Either way, best to ignore it.

You can tell they're all brainwashed because anything you or I post, there's 47 of them clamoring for cites and arguing against actual medical studies and datasets and demanding context and perspective.  And not one of them knows the basics of how the human immune system works or cares to find out.

Eyeball comes in, says anything he wants and none of them demand cites or context or studies or data or discussion.  They know he's on the same team - covid was the deadliest disease in the history of mankind and totally worth destroying the economy, killing and maiming people who had no risk, closing schools for years, bankrupting small business, giving a trillion dollars to billionaires, terrorizing the populace.....it was a wonderful time where they were "heroes" and could let loose self-righteous freak outs on "granny-killers" and nazis.  It was glorious for them.

They're all psychopaths.

The most you'll get out of them is "Welllllll, but we didn't know."

Yes, we did know.  We bloody well knew.

The science of immunology, virology and vaccinology didn't change in the last couple of years.  You were just lied to.

You chose to believe the liars because they scared the pants off you.  You're a coward and have learned nothing.

Enjoy your blood clots and heart attacks.

Edited October 10, 2024 by Goddess

[Goddess]

OpenSAFELY: Effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccination in children and adolescents | Bennett Institute for Applied Data Science (ox.ac.uk)

Results:

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Amongst 820,926 previously unvaccinated adolescents, the incidence rate ratio (IRR) for positive SARS-CoV-2 test comparing vaccination with no vaccination was 0.74

A vaccinated child has about 3/4 of a % better chance of not testing positive than an unvaccinated child.

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0.60 (0.37-0.97) for COVID-19 A&E attendance

0.6 of a % at not having to attend the ER.

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0.58 (0.38-0.89) for COVID-19 hospitalisation

A little over 1/2 a % better chance for not getting hospitalized with covid.

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Amongst 283,422 previously unvaccinated children and 132,462 children who had received a first vaccine dose, COVID-19-related outcomes were too rare to allow IRRs to be estimated precisely.  There were no COVID-19-related deaths in any group.

Forcing children to be vaccinated so they can play hockey, was immoral and ethically evil.  This study shows it has almost 0 benefit for children.

But............ it does do this for them:

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Among both adolescents and children, myocarditis and pericarditis were documented only in the vaccinated groups, with rates of 27 and 10 cases/million after first and second doses respectively.

(Those rates are low, BTW, according to the many other studies I've posted here and the reports in VAERS.  For instance, like many others, Sean Hartman's death would not be included in this stat for Canada.)

This is for Sean Hartman, who gave his life so Eyeball could live.

I hope Dan gets justice for losing his only child.  I've followed his grief since it happened and it is profound.  He was offered money to drop the lawsuit, but he decided to reject the offer and go ahead with suing the Canadian gov't and Pfizer.

 

 

 

 

[Goddess]

 

 

[Goddess]

Remember when everyone here attacked me and said there were no adverse events from the jabs?  I sure do.

And now some are still here saying "Well, of course vaccines have adverse events for some people, we always knew that!"

But you sure denied it at the time!!! and quoted me all kinds of CBC articles about how it never ever happens with the covid injections.

100% safe.

That's what you all said.

[Goddess]

Dr. Vinay Prasad, whom I've introduced you to quite a few times over the last few years.

This is one of the experts you all pissed on.

[WestCanMan]

13 hours ago, Goddess said:

You can tell they're all brainwashed because anything you or I post, there's 47 of them clamoring for cites and arguing against actual medical studies and datasets and demanding context and perspective. 

Ironically none of them ever asked for data telling them why children should take the jab, because there was never any, at all. People got 5-17 yr olds jabbed with mRNA for no reason whatsoever.

[WestCanMan]

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Among both adolescents and children, myocarditis and pericarditis were documented only in the vaccinated groups, with rates of 27 and 10 cases/million after first and second doses respectively.

The incidence of vax injury among young adults and children was way higher than that. I'd say more than 10% from what I've seen.

[User]

On 10/8/2024 at 5:24 PM, WestCanMan said:

Lethal vaccine + rising death count = failure, unless you're genocidal.

It's pretty simple.

What lethal vaccine? You have yet to offer any evidence of that. There is no rising death count according to you. I am not playing your game where you are trying to claim there were all these deaths you don't even think happened. 
 

On 10/8/2024 at 5:24 PM, WestCanMan said:

The pseudovaccine actually did kill people.

I know that you don't want to touch on that fact, but it's true.

Still waiting for you to offer any real argument for this. 

On 10/8/2024 at 5:24 PM, WestCanMan said:

You're really stupid. No one said that.

Yeah, you are trying to have this both ways. That there was some massive conspiratorial effort to lie about all these COVID deaths actually being Flu deaths... well, except for the kids. Now all of a sudden the flu really did take a break just for them and there was no conspiratorial effort to lie about them. I am guessing it is the same thing with your vaccine caused death claim too... except for the kids. 

Why, it is almost like you will just say whatever is convenient to further your conspiracy but never offer any actual evidence. 

On 10/8/2024 at 5:24 PM, WestCanMan said:

It didn't change outside of the realm of possibility for kids. Some years the flu kills a lot of kids, some years very few.

The 'flu' killing 96.5% less adults than normal is outside of the realm of possibility. 

No, its possible. The term you are looking for is not probable. You can't even get this basic terminology right. And the source you provided here explained how it was possible. 

10 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Ironically none of them ever asked for data telling them why children should take the jab, because there was never any, at all. People got 5-17 yr olds jabbed with mRNA for no reason whatsoever.

Who are you talking about? Some mysterious "them?"

 

[User]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The incidence of vax injury among young adults and children was way higher than that. I'd say more than 10% from what I've seen.

Really, what exactly have you seen?

21 hours ago, Goddess said:

100% safe.

That's what you all said.

Who said this here? 

[WestCanMan]

3 minutes ago, User said:

What lethal vaccine? You have yet to offer any evidence of that.

I don't have to, bud. If you don't know now then you're just a worthless 4sshole. 

[User]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I don't have to, bud. If you don't know now then you're just a worthless 4sshole. 

The only thing worthless here is your conspiratorial BS. 

[WestCanMan]

4 minutes ago, User said:

The only thing worthless here is your conspiratorial BS. 

Did you look at any of the videos right on this page, you stupid piece of shit?

Are you here just to talk, while keep your id10t mind from being exposed to information? 

[Aristides]

Be due for my eighth next month, just waiting for my invite.

[User]

13 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Did you look at any of the videos right on this page, you stupid piece of shit?

Are you here just to talk, while keep your id10t mind from being exposed to information? 

Most of my posts here are asking you for information. Still waiting for it. 

[WestCanMan]

Just now, User said:

Most of my posts here are asking you for information. Still waiting for it. 

You still haven't even accepted the fact that covid deaths went up by 30% from 2021 to 2022.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/en/daily-quotidien/231127/dq231127b-eng.pdf?st=hGEgyrT3

Look, dummy:

1. Admit that Health Canada themselves said that covid deaths in Canada went up by 30% in 2022 (for your own benefit, maybe try to find some CTV News broadcasts where covid hysteria was even slightly evident in 2022), then
2. I will prove to you that 85.7% of our covid deaths were occurring among the multi-vaxed in 2022, with the 4x-vaxed being the 'unluckiest' group of all. Admit to that,
3. then I'll get you to admit that WE NEVER EVER HAD ANY DATA AT ALL, NOT EVEN FOR 1 SECOND, SHOWING US THAT CHILDREN AND YOUNG ADULTS NEEDED TO BE VAXED, which is the only thing that's really worth criminal charges
4. Then we will talk about vax injuries and deaths.

Honestly dude, your level of covid 'vaccine' knowledge is still stuck at about the level of "Fauci's vax-promises of summer 2021". Inside your head, you still feel like everything that Fauci was saying in summer of 2021 is gospel truth, but the world of data is light years past that point, User.

Now to pass stage 1, just say "I understand now that Health Canada's own covid death stats indicated that covid deaths had gone up by 30% in 2022, even though we had fully 'vaxed' 86% of our population by that point, and the MSM here had almost completely stopped talking about covid that year." 

[User]

53 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You still haven't even accepted the fact that covid deaths went up by 30% from 2021 to 2022.

What are these "covid deaths" you speak of?

You are the one who keeps speaking out of both sides of your mouth to say it was a lie, there were no deaths from covid, that they counted flu deaths as COVID deaths. 

The issue is not my refusal to accept any fact, its that you are here saying this is a fact and you don't even believe it. 

55 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Look, dummy:

Look at what? Do you now accept this as real? That these are actually numbers of COVID deaths or are you still pushing your conspiratorial nonsense that they are flu deaths and not covid deaths?

56 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Inside your head, you still feel like everything that Fauci was saying in summer of 2021 is gospel truth, but the world of data is light years past that point, User.

Where do you get any of this BS from? You have your head so far up your own a$$ now everything you are saying is coming out full of shit.