West Posted June 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 9 minutes ago, Goddess said: I had issues with carrying pregnancies t term and experienced multiple miscarriages. Miscarriages are very common. It terrifies me that some of you men want women tried, convicted or even executed for them. It terrifies me that you are winning right now. It terrifies me that women are still - in the 21st century - being treated like we need to have MEN to make decisions about our bodies and health, for us. Who wants you executed for a miscarriage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: yeah and the restrictions would be for those who don't restrict themselves the vast majority of women support that Yes, I understand that. I understand that you support this legislation because it will restrict women who you don't agree with their views. That's fine. The problem is - by banning and restricting certain things, you take the decision away from ALL women and in ALL circumstances. For instance - if you support a ban on all abortion, that means A BAN ON ALL ABORTION. That means that women who experience ectopic pregnancies - which are not viable and right now are routinely removed to save the life of a woman, will be banned. Your legislation will kill women needlessly. Do you understand that? Biology is messy. Every situation needs to assessed on its own merits, according to the make-up of the woman involved. This is why it's best left to a woman and her doctor. Not old white men who do not know what an ectopic pregnancy or a fallopian tube is. Edited June 27, 2022 by Goddess 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted June 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 8 minutes ago, Goddess said: You realize that the men in power who are making these decisions for women and who you support, have openly said this does not matter to them, right? What is your reasoning for going along with legislation that says a woman experiencing an ectopic pregnancy must die? There are plenty of pro life women too.. looks to be about 80% in the us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, West said: Who wants you executed for a miscarriage? You do realize that there are women sitting in jails because of miscarriages in states that have the strict abortion laws you want, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted June 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 Just now, Goddess said: You do realize that there are women sitting in jails because of miscarriages in states that have the strict abortion laws you want, right? I doubt that.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 Just now, West said: There are plenty of pro life women too.. looks to be about 80% in the us What is your reasoning for going along with legislation that says a woman experiencing an ectopic pregnancy must die? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Goddess said: Yes, I understand that. I understand that you support this legislation because it will restrict women who you don't agree with their views. That's fine. The problem is - by banning and restricting certain things, you take the decision away from ALL women and in ALL circumstances. For instance - if you support a ban on all abortion, that means A BAN ON ALL ABORTION. That means that women who experience ectopic pregnancies - which are not viable and right now are routinely removed to save the life of a woman, will be banned. Your legislation will kill women needlessly. Do you understand that? Biology is messy. Every situation needs to assessed on its own merits, according to the make-up of the woman involved. This is why it's best left to a woman and her doctor. Not old white men who do not know what an ectopic pregnancy or a fallopian tube is. only 8% support a ban on all abortions in all circumstances you are inflating an extreme minority into the boogeyman calling all the shots that's not happening and it won't happen so you can ease up on the paranoia Edited June 27, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted June 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 11 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: yeah and the restrictions would be for those who don't restrict themselves the vast majority of women support that Yup.. can say the vast majority also support restrictions on drunk driving. Just because the majority restrict themselves from getting behind the wheel intoxicated doesn't make a law invalid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, West said: I doubt that.. You shouldn't. Google it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted June 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Goddess said: What is your reasoning for going along with legislation that says a woman experiencing an ectopic pregnancy must die? Can you reference what you are talking about? Even the most restrictive states are allowing provisions for what you say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: and it won't happen And you know this....how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted June 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Goddess said: You shouldn't. Google it. If there are such states it's likely where they can prove negligence caused death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, West said: Who wants you executed for a miscarriage? Exactly. This type of argument is a knee jerk reaction. The legal system is going to go after the abortion providers, not the women stuck in awful situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Goddess said: And you know this....how? 8% support even amongst the most conservatives Republicans, only 17% support it's non-starter even in the deepest red states it's political suicide Edited June 27, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 minute ago, West said: Can you reference what you are talking about? Even the most restrictive states are allowing provisions for what you say Arrested for Having a Miscarriage? 7 Appalling Instances Where Pregnant Women Were Criminalized - Alternet.org Quote "Since 2005, we have identified an additional 380 cases, with more arrests occurring every week,” they write. “This significant increase coincides with what the Guttmacher Institute describes as a 'seismic shift' in the number of states with laws hostile to abortion rights.” US women are being jailed for having miscarriages - BBC News Opinion | When Prosecutors Jail a Mother for a Miscarriage - The New York Times (nytimes.com) Women Could Get 30 Years in Prison for Having a Miscarriage in Georgia (businessinsider.com) A California woman was jailed on suspicion of causing her stillbirth. Her attorney says prosecution for miscarriages will 'only get worse' under US abortion crackdowns. (yahoo.com) Woman indicted for manslaughter after miscarrying when shot (nypost.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted June 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 Just now, Goddess said: Arrested for Having a Miscarriage? 7 Appalling Instances Where Pregnant Women Were Criminalized - Alternet.org US women are being jailed for having miscarriages - BBC News Opinion | When Prosecutors Jail a Mother for a Miscarriage - The New York Times (nytimes.com) Women Could Get 30 Years in Prison for Having a Miscarriage in Georgia (businessinsider.com) A California woman was jailed on suspicion of causing her stillbirth. Her attorney says prosecution for miscarriages will 'only get worse' under US abortion crackdowns. (yahoo.com) Woman indicted for manslaughter after miscarrying when shot (nypost.com) All leftist drivel. Lots of disinformation out there in the New York Slimes. They also claimed the former president worked with Vladamir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 7 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: and it won't happen It's already happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Goddess said: It's already happening. no it isn't 8% support and 92% oppose even in a hypothetical state of all Conservative Republicans, 83% oppose that's not a thing, you're lefty sources are fearmongering and gaslighting you Edited June 27, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted June 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 It's not because she "had a miscarriage" it's because she had illicit drugs in her system causing death to the child. You'd be facing jail time if you drugged your infant child and killed them too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 (edited) the wins just keep on coming . . . Quote SCOTUS Sides with High School Football Coach Fired for Praying on the Field Win McNamee/Getty Images Katherine Hamilton 27 Jun 20220 6:21 The Supreme Court on Monday sided 6-3 with a football coach who was fired for praying on the field after games, marking another win for religious liberty delivered by the conservative-leaning court. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/06/27/scotus-sides-with-high-school-football-coach-fired-for-praying-on-the-field/ Trump is the gift that will keep on giving for generations to come even with control of the House & Presidency, the Democrat's Communist agenda is being dismantled in a rout yeehaw Edited June 27, 2022 by Dougie93 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: the wins just keep on coming . . . Trump is the gift that will keep on giving for generations to come even with control of the House & Presidency, the Democrat's Communist agenda is being dismantled in a rout yeehaw I know, right? It’s going to be a long summer for the left, and then the mid terms will bury them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, sharkman said: I know, right? It’s going to be a long summer for the left, and then the mid terms will bury them... its white boy summer just win, baby ftw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 Let's face it - this has absolutely zero to do with saving children. If it did - there wouldn't be hundreds of millions of children all over the world dying from starvation and other easily remedied factors. This has everything to do with how men view women. I believe most men despise women. So they must control and regulate every action women take in every aspect of life. I know this because late-term abortions are exceedingly rare. Yet men believe that 8 or 9 month pregnant women just wake up one day and decide, "You know, I don't want a baby after all." That's not what happens. It's probably the most gut-wrenching, heart-breaking, agonizing decision these few women ever have to make. This decision will not end with controlling abortion. Mark my words. I'll let you men on this thread continue to assert your views on all the things women should or should not be doing, or should or should not be allowed to do or decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 I stopped reading after, “ most men despise women”. That is such a sad view to cling to. 4 minutes ago, Goddess said: Let's face it - this has absolutely zero to do with saving children. If it did - there wouldn't be hundreds of millions of children all over the world dying from starvation and other easily remedied factors. This has everything to do with how men view women. I believe most men despise women. So they must control and regulate every action women take in every aspect of life. I know this because late-term abortions are exceedingly rare. Yet men believe that 8 or 9 month pregnant women just wake up one day and decide, "You know, I don't want a baby after all." That's not what happens. It's probably the most gut-wrenching, heart-breaking, agonizing decision these few women ever have to make. This decision will not end with controlling abortion. Mark my words. I'll let you men on this thread continue to assert your views on all the things women should or should not be doing, or should or should not be allowed to do or decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Goddess said: Let's face it - this has absolutely zero to do with saving children. If it did - there wouldn't be hundreds of millions of children all over the world dying from starvation and other easily remedied factors. This has everything to do with how men view women. I believe most men despise women. So they must control and regulate every action women take in every aspect of life. I know this because late-term abortions are exceedingly rare. Yet men believe that 8 or 9 month pregnant women just wake up one day and decide, "You know, I don't want a baby after all." That's not what happens. It's probably the most gut-wrenching, heart-breaking, agonizing decision these few women ever have to make. This decision will not end with controlling abortion. Mark my words. I'll let you men on this thread continue to assert your views on all the things women should or should not be doing, or should or should not be allowed to do or decide. my issue is not abortion my issue is states rights so if the people of California or New York vote make abortion a right in their states, I would defend that right if you want that at the federal level tho, you have to get a two thirds majority to pass a constitutional amendment if you follow the process, and win by two thirds majority, then I have no quarrel but trying to fabricate a right in the 14th amendment which wasn't actually there, was always a house of cards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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