World Economic Forum (WEF) Influence on Canadian Policy

[West]

Continuation from the other thread at the request of Charles Anthony:

-WEF influences on Canadian policy

-Diversity programs

-Stakeholder Capitalism 

-Agenda 2030

-Paris Accord

-Synchronizing policy with other western nations ie covid policy, Build Back Better, etc. 

-Globalism vs nationalism

Now Moonbox seems to be confused. He says the WEF had no influence over Canadian politics. It's clear they do. Question is is it a good thing to have foreign influence and is the WEF policy proposals good for Canada. 

Edited March 5, 2022 by West

[Moonlight Graham]

Well Rempel might be right it's just a think tank and the Liberals, Democrats and other govs have been sold on some of the ideas and as a good way to brand them and market them to the public.  I don't know of any evidence that WEF actually has any leverage over our government, i assume our politicians choose to use these ideas because they like them.  It very well could be some kind of international discussions going on at these meetings among leaders at the highest levels to coordinate policy, who knows.  Why should we trust Rempel?

Personally I think it's really lame to do international branding like this.  Just shows us how elitist and trendy our gov is.

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, West said:

Continuation from the other thread at the request of Charles Anthony:

-WEF influences on Canadian policy

-Diversity programs

-Stakeholder Capitalism 

-Agenda 2030

-Paris Accord

-Synchronizing policy with other western nations ie covid policy, Build Back Better, etc. 

-Globalism vs nationalism

Now Moonbox seems to be confused. He says the WEF had no influence over Canadian politics. It's clear they do. Question is is it a good thing to have foreign influence and is the WEF policy proposals good for Canada. 

Frankly...who actually cares what a bunch of dips think? I've known a lot of dips and very few can think of anyone or anything outside their privaged bubble.

Fuck 'em.

Edited March 5, 2022 by Nationalist

[Zeitgeist]

People have to do some research on the Great Reset and Agenda 2030.  These are World Economic Forum plans and Canada’s government is heavily influenced by the WEF. The idea is to create a system of digital identification for communications and banking that government can access.  We already have digital vaccine passports that we’ve used to access freedoms that are supposed to be the right of all Canadian citizens.  Your “credit score” can be based on criteria that don’t just relate to level of debt or income.   It means that citizens who don’t support government policies can be de-platformed up to and including losing the right to work and having one’s bank account frozen.

We could see state takeovers of property in the case of economic collapse or loan defaults, which would put people in a state of conditional use or lease of government property   That’s the collectivization component: “You will have nothing and be happy.”   Basically obey the government mandates and you get access to whatever government deems essential or necessary   Imagine only being able to buy items on an essentials list   Keep in mind that certain rights have already been deemed non-essential during the pandemic, such as recreational travel and attending religious services (which is actually an infringement of the right to religious freedom).

Bills like C-11 are about setting criteria for online communications and giving government the right to shut down providers of communications that fall into categories that they define.

“The legislation has been designed to advance consumer interests, as opposed to being based upon human rights principles, and has been broadly critiqued by experts on the basis that the legislation would not adequately address issues of meaningful consent, de-identification, or data mobility.” (The Munk Centre)

People can downplay or ignore the tremendous examples of and attempts at government overreach that we have seen throughout the pandemic and that we continue to see with the Emergencies Act, the freezing of the bank accounts of protesters, the deeming of supporting a protest against government policy illegal, and so on.   However, all of these moves seriously threaten our democracy.  If you don’t think that the head of the WEF’s statement that he has penetrated more than half of the Canadian Cabinet is troubling, I worry for your naïveté.

Also note that another bill is coming before the House for consideration with regard to basic income.  What is its purpose, etc.?

This clip raises many concerns, especially with regard to Freeland’s involvement with the WEF:

 

 

Edited March 5, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Michael Hardner]

100% anti capitalism conspiracy theory.

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

100% anti capitalism conspiracy theory.

So…aren’t you concerned?   Shouldn’t government have to explain where they stand in relation to plans like the 2030 Agenda?   I mean, they’re members and supporters of the international organization promoting these plans.  

[West]

27 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

So…aren’t you concerned?   Shouldn’t government have to explain where they stand in relation to plans like the 2030 Agenda?   I mean, they’re members and supporters of the international organization promoting these plans.  

Stakeholder capitalism is basically taking society back 100 years  

[Moonbox]

40 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

So…aren’t you concerned?   Shouldn’t government have to explain where they stand in relation to plans like the 2030 Agenda?   I mean, they’re members and supporters of the international organization promoting these plans.  

Not concerned because it's just bogeyman bullshit that the conspiracy clowns have held up as the next incarnation of the NWO or the Illuminati.  

[Zeitgeist]

23 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Not concerned because it's just bogeyman bullshit that the conspiracy clowns have held up as the next incarnation of the NWO or the Illuminati.  

Your attitude demonstrates why we should be worried.  

[Michael Hardner]

17 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Your attitude demonstrates why we should be worried.  

That makes no sense.

Why should he care about this nonsense?  His attitude is a normal response to exaggeration and horseshit conspiracy garbage.

[Zeitgeist]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

That makes no sense.

Why should he care about this nonsense?  His attitude is a normal response to exaggeration and horseshit conspiracy garbage.

Yeah none of it matters, Michael.  Nothing to question or consider.  

[West]

33 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Yeah none of it matters, Michael.  Nothing to question or consider.  

The more gender programs the better according to Mike

[OftenWrong]

"Nothing to see here."

"Move along. Move along."

[Zeitgeist]

Putin knows we’re lost.  He’s been funding green activism here and expanding Russian oil and gas.  The gender stuff and phoney virtue signalling has been a distraction indeed. The exercise of hard power over Ukraine  should be a wake up call to the West.

This clip gives a good general explanation of what’s underway and a call to action that seems reasonable.  Again, I know it’s not what we want to hear and it’s one perspective among many, but the themes about our direction are similar to many others out there and worthy of consideration.

 

[Moonbox]

Putin

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Putin knows we’re lost.  He’s been funding green activism here and expanding Russian oil and gas.  The gender stuff and phoney virtue signalling has been a distraction indeed. The exercise of hard power over Ukraine  should be a wake up call to the West.

Is that why the ruble is collapsing and the Russian economy is going for a nosedive after stagnating for a decade?  

Putin's actions in Ukraine are the last play of a desperate and corrupt regime hoping to achieve something/anything to halt the crumbling conditions of their nation.  

[Zeitgeist]

6 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Putin

Is that why the ruble is collapsing and the Russian economy is going for a nosedive after stagnating for a decade?  

Putin's actions in Ukraine are the last play of a desperate and corrupt regime hoping to achieve something/anything to halt the crumbling conditions of their nation.  

Putin wants to maintain a western buffer in a territory that he thinks should remain under the Russian sphere of influence.   There are concerning components of the Ukraine.  The opposition leader in Ukraine was imprisoned.  There’s heavy mafia and money laundering activity there.  There are bio labs with western funding.   There are significant Neo-Nazi elements.   There is a significant Russian population in the East that considers itself at risk of oppression by the Ukrainian state.

Now, that doesn’t mean Ukraine should be ruled over and invaded by an outside power, but the US and NATO made a bad mistake when the Soviet Union collapsed by basically keeping Russia out of NATO while encouraging former Soviet and Warsaw Pact countries to join NATO. There are now NATO bases close to the Russian border. These moves radicalized Putin to an extent.  He could’ve been a moderate democratic ally.  Instead he has become a strongman trying to restore what was lost.

It’s sad actually because Russia made many economic gains, but too much former Soviet state and economic power ended up in the hands of cronies.   It became a quasi-oligarchy kleptocracy, with a watered down democracy.  I’m not entirely sure what the answer is, but I think it’s foolish to try to install NATO in Ukraine.   Ultimately Putin will need a political resolution that will likely involve assurances from Ukraine about protecting the Russian interests in Eastern Ukraine and Ukraine staying out of NATO.

Funding endless insurgence in Ukraine from both NATO countries and Russia will only further destabilize the region.   I feel for the Ukrainian people who are the fallout in this proxy war.  

Edited March 6, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Moonbox]

3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Putin wants to maintain a western buffer in a territory that he thinks should remain under the Russian sphere of influence.   There are concerning components of the Ukraine.  

Ukraine doesn't wish to be under the Russian sphere of influence.  That's the end of that argument.  

3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

The opposition leader in Ukraine was imprisoned.  There’s heavy mafia and money laundering activity there.  There are bio labs with western funding.   There are significant Neo-Nazi elements.   There is a significant Russian population in the East that considers itself at risk of oppression by the Ukrainian state.

Did you get all of that from Russia Today?  From Telegram?  Trying to make arguments about criminal elements and money laundering in Ukraine whilst ignoring Russian dictatorship and cronyism is....cringe.   ?

3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Now, that doesn’t mean Ukraine should be ruled over and invaded by an outside power, but the US and NATO made a bad mistake when the Soviet Union collapsed by basically keeping Russia out of NATO while encouraging former Soviet and Warsaw Pact countries to join NATO. There are now NATO bases close to the Russian border. These moves radicalized Putin to an extent.  He could’ve been a moderate democratic ally.  Instead he has become a strongman trying to restore what was lost.

Putin never wanted to be a democratic ally.  He's a former KGB autocrat with delusions of grandeur. 

3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

It’s sad actually because Russia made many economic gains, but too much former Soviet state and economic power ended up in the hands of cronies.   It became a quasi-oligarchy kleptocracy, with a watered down democracy.  I’m not entirely sure what the answer is, but I think it’s foolish to try to install NATO in Ukraine.  

Russian democracy died in 1999.  Calling it democratic is a farce.  Ukraine wasn't part of NATO already because it was assumed it would antagonize Putin, but his actions have proven NATO's raison d'etre and will strengthen the alliance enormously.  

3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Ultimately Putin will need a political resolution that will likely involve assurances from Ukraine about protecting the Russian interests in Eastern Ukraine and Ukraine staying out of NATO.

Maybe, but that's probably all he'll ever get.  Meanwhile he's thrust the majority of Ukraine irrevocably out of Russia's "sphere of influence" and into Europe's arms.  What a genius.  

3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Funding endless insurgence in Ukraine from both NATO countries and Russia will only further destabilize the region.   I feel for the Ukrainian people who are the fallout in this proxy war.  

Meanwhile you make apologies for Putin's war-mongering.  We totally believe you.

Edited March 6, 2022 by Moonbox

[Zeitgeist]

12 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Ukraine doesn't wish to be under the Russian sphere of influence.  That's the end of that argument.  

Did you get all of that from Russia Today?  From Telegram?  Trying to make arguments about criminal elements and money laundering in Ukraine whilst ignoring Russian dictatorship and cronyism is....cringe.   ?

Putin never wanted to be a democratic ally.  He's a former KGB autocrat with delusions of grandeur. 

Russian democracy died in 1999.  Calling it democratic is a farce.  Ukraine wasn't part of NATO already because it was assumed it would antagonize Putin, but his actions have proven NATO's raison d'etre and will strengthen the alliance enormously.  

Maybe, but that's probably all he'll ever get.  Meanwhile he's thrust the majority of Ukraine irrevocably out of Russia's "sphere of influence" and into Europe's arms.  What a genius.  

Meanwhile you make apologies for Putin's war-mongering.  We totally believe you.

You don’t know enough about these issues, because everything that I’ve stated is factual, but sure, Putin equals evil invader tyrant and he must be killed. Superficial answers to serious and complex questions. Clearly no one wants to see democracy eroded or innocent people die.  If you don’t know why Putin is doing what he’s doing then the response you support will likely make the situation worse. Of course I want Putin’s forces out of Ukraine.  Again, we already know the sky is blue.  

Edited March 6, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Moonbox]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You don’t know enough about these issues, because everything that I’ve stated is factual, but sure,

You've stated facts but not why they're important, relevant or justify an invasion.  Bio labs with western funding?  So what?  There are all sorts of Russian companies that had western funding too.  Opposition leader was imprisoned in Ukraine?  How's the opposition doing in Russia these days?  ?

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Putin equals evil invader tyrant and he must be killed.  Superficial answers to serious and complex questions.  Clearly no one wants to see democracy eroded or innocent people die.  If you don’t know why Putin is doing what he’s doing then the response you support will likely make the situation worse.  

You're not presenting complex questions or looking for serious debate.  You're just apologizing for an invasion and obfuscating.  If you were concerned for democracy you'd have been talking about the steady erosion of it in Russia since 2000 rather than justifying the invasion of a country trying to steer itself away from that.  

[Zeitgeist]

32 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

You've stated facts but not why they're important, relevant or justify an invasion.  Bio labs with western funding?  So what?  There are all sorts of Russian companies that had western funding too.  Opposition leader was imprisoned in Ukraine?  How's the opposition doing in Russia these days?  ?

You're not presenting complex questions or looking for serious debate.  You're just apologizing for an invasion and obfuscating.  If you were concerned for democracy you'd have been talking about the steady erosion of it in Russia since 2000 rather than justifying the invasion of a country trying to steer itself away from that.  

I’m not apologizing for anything.  I’m explaining that neither Ukraine’s government nor NATO approaches have been effective.  Whether or not you agree with Putin’s perspective, and clearly most people don’t, he is serving what he sees as important national interests and has the hard power to assert his interests.  

[West]

I dont see why you have to take sides. In my view, the globalist and Putin are both whacky

[Moonbox]

21 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Whether or not you agree with Putin’s perspective, and clearly most people don’t, he is serving what he sees as important national interests and has the hard power to assert his interests.  

So you're just stating the obvious then?  Okay. 

We'll see how well that works out for him in the medium-long term.  

[Zeitgeist]

While Trudeau was busy attending apology parades and devising carbon taxes, Putin was plotting invasion.  Our government seeks more power but has already made a mess with the power they have.  

[West]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

While Trudeau was busy attending apology parades and devising carbon taxes, Putin was plotting invasion.  Our government seeks more power but has already made a mess with the power they have.  

Moonbox seems to side with the ethnic cleaning by radical nazi groups in Eastern Ukraine. Sad 

[Zeitgeist]

46 minutes ago, West said:

Moonbox seems to side with the ethnic cleaning by radical nazi groups in Eastern Ukraine. Sad 

Putin needs to stop this military action, but there has to be a realistic political resolution that provides security assurances for both Ukrainian democracy and Russia.