War In Ukraine

[CITIZEN_2015]

4 hours ago, athos said:

Many thousands of captured Ukrainian soldiers have already begun to be interrogated - they are scared and swear that they will never insult Russia again.

 

F*** Russia. Death to Russia,. Murderous Putin regime.

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

F*** Russia. Death to Russia,. Murderous Putin regime.

you are talking to a bot

keep that in mind

[CITIZEN_2015]

Russian invasion of Ukraine is a deja vu of Soviet invasion of Finland in 1939.

in 1939, the 180 million nation of evil Soviet empire seeing the 4 million nation of Finland a threat and invaded with strong 100,000 troops in the fall of that year, only to face stiff resistance by outnumbered army of Finland. Soviet casualties were heavy so Stalin withdrew and regrouped and again invaded Finland by a half a million troops a second time in winter of 1940. The Finnish army outnumbered 10 to 1 again showed stiff resistance while fighting invading Soviets in the snowy mountains and inflicted heavy casualties on Russians. Soviets had to negotiate a way out and in the negotiations that followed Finland lost 10% of its territory while keeping their independence, their system, their country and their government.

History is going to be repeated while many thousands of Russians will be sent to hell, Putin will have to negotiate and settle for 10% of what he expected to achieve with little casualties in a few days. The West however has to learn that Russia is another Nazi Germany in hiding and will have to continue its political isolation and full scale economic sanctions including Russia's oil and gas to bring this aggressive nation and its murderous regime to their knees.

Edited April 13, 2022 by CITIZEN_2015

[Soldier35]

Ammunition exploded on the missile cruiser "Moscow". According to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, due to a fire on the missile cruiser "Moscow", a detonation of ammunition occurred, the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet was seriously damaged. Now the ship is afloat, the fire has been extinguished, the explosions of ammunition have stopped. The missile cruiser "Moscow" is planned to be towed to the port

 

 

[Soldier35]

A video of the combat departure of a group of attack helicopters was published by the Russian Defense Ministry. The group consisting of the leading Mi-24 helicopter and the Mi-28N and Ka-52 wingmen performed tasks to support the ground group of troops. During the mission, a Buk missile of Ukraine was fired at the leading Mi-24 helicopter. The Mi-24 dodged the missiles and went to the side, the return fire of the Mi-28N and Ka-52 helicopters, the Ukrainian Buk air defense system was destroyed.

 

 

[Nationalist]

15 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Russian invasion of Ukraine is a deja vu of Soviet invasion of Finland in 1939.

in 1939, the 180 million nation of evil Soviet empire seeing the 4 million nation of Finland a threat and invaded with strong 100,000 troops in the fall of that year, only to face stiff resistance by outnumbered army of Finland. Soviet casualties were heavy so Stalin withdrew and regrouped and again invaded Finland by a half a million troops a second time in winter of 1940. The Finnish army outnumbered 10 to 1 again showed stiff resistance while fighting invading Soviets in the snowy mountains and inflicted heavy casualties on Russians. Soviets had to negotiate a way out and in the negotiations that followed Finland lost 10% of its territory while keeping their independence, their system, their country and their government.

History is going to be repeated while many thousands of Russians will be sent to hell, Putin will have to negotiate and settle for 10% of what he expected to achieve with little casualties in a few days. The West however has to learn that Russia is another Nazi Germany in hiding and will have to continue its political isolation and full scale economic sanctions including Russia's oil and gas to bring this aggressive nation and its murderous regime to their knees.

This was over before it started...

Quote

"And it depends on what it does. It’s one thing if it’s a minor incursion and we end up having to fight about what to do and not do,"

-Joe Biden

Putin now claims the war will end on May 9th.

I think he has what he set out to get. A land connection from Russia to Crimea and a halt to the constant war between ethnic Ukrainians and ethnic Russians along that eastern border.

Now I see the "hero" Zelinsky is on a shopping spree for specific arms from NATO. He's trying to arm the Ukrainian military for free.

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it. Putin, Zelinsky, Biden and all of NATO...all are guilty and responsible for this BS.

Edited April 14, 2022 by Nationalist

[Yzermandius19]

47 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

This was over before it started...

Putin now claims the war will end on May 9th.

I think he has what he set out to get. A land connection from Russia to Crimea and a halt to the constant war between ethnic Ukrainians and ethnic Russians along that eastern border.

Now I see the "hero" Zelinsky is on a shopping spree for specific arms from NATO. He's trying to arm the Ukrainian military for free.

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it. Putin, Zelinsky, Biden and all of NATO...all are guilty and responsible for this BS.

Putin claimed no such thing

the May 9th thing is media speculation

and media speculation that reeks of wishful thinking at that

if all Putin gets out of this war is the Donbas and a land bridge to Crimea

that's an epic fail

Edited April 14, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Nationalist]

10 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Putin claimed no such thing

the May 9th thing is media speculation

and media speculation that reeks of wishful thinking at that

if all Putin gets out of this war is the Donbas and a land bridge to Crimea

that's an epic fail

Its not media speculation at all. Putin wants significant victory in the eastern region of Ukraine by May 9th. He's appointed a brutal general to produce this victory by May 9th. I think he's about to impose a level of brutality on that region that will make everyone's hair stand on end, and he'll do it BEFORE any US arms can get there.

Should this happen...and all indications from both sides are that it will...Russia will have its land bridge to Crimea and the allegiance of the eastern border folks. Those not interested in allegiance with Russia, will either be shot or will head west. Ukraine will have a whole bunch of shiny new military arms for free. NATO will claim victory and so will Russia.

Whether YOU figure that's an "epic fail" or not...is completely irrelevant.

[Yzermandius19]

35 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Its not media speculation at all. Putin wants significant victory in the eastern region of Ukraine by May 9th. He's appointed a brutal general to produce this victory by May 9th. I think he's about to impose a level of brutality on that region that will make everyone's hair stand on end, and he'll do it BEFORE any US arms can get there.

Should this happen...and all indications from both sides are that it will...Russia will have its land bridge to Crimea and the allegiance of the eastern border folks. Those not interested in allegiance with Russia, will either be shot or will head west. Ukraine will have a whole bunch of shiny new military arms for free. NATO will claim victory and so will Russia.

Whether YOU figure that's an "epic fail" or not...is completely irrelevant.

Putin has said nothing about ending the war May 9th

you assume he wants that, he never said he did

Putin should cut his losses and end the war

but if he does that

Russia will still be in a worse position now than before the war

[Nationalist]

4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Putin has said nothing about ending the war May 9th

you assume he wants that, he never said he did

Putin should cut his losses and end the war

but if he does that

Russia will still be in a worse position now than before the war

Huh...sooo...you don't know how a magician does his tricks eh?

Watch this hand closely while I achieve my goal with the hand you're not watching.

What...did you really think Putin wanted to destroy Kiev?

[Yzermandius19]

15 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Huh...sooo...you don't know how a magician does his tricks eh?

Watch this hand closely while I achieve my goal with the hand you're not watching.

What...did you really think Putin wanted to destroy Kiev?

Putin wants to secure Russia's borders in case of invasion

he cannot do that without taking Ukraine and more

and he's running out of time

a land bridge to Crimea and the Donbas isn't important enough to actually be a win

he has lost far more than that already in this war

he can call that a win all he wants, he's just trying to save face

 

you assume Putin is a mastermind

when it is obvious he royally f*cked up

but if he gets what you think he's going to get

that ain't the work of a genius, that's the work of a bumbling idiot

 

if taking the Donbas and a land bridge was his only goal

he could have lost a lot less to accomplish that

and making a move on Kiev didn't help him take either

it slowed down the process

and helped bring his adversaries together

the juice was nowhere near worth the sqeeze

he's no magician, he just f*cked up

Edited April 14, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Infidel Dog]

Also Putin has already built a land bridge to the Crimean Peninsula. It's called the Kerch Strait Bridge. I believe there are two. One is for vehicles and one is for rail.

I'd watch Odessa. If the Russians start moving hard on Odessa it will signify this second stage of the war with Ukraine has actually been about cutting off the Ukraine from the sea.

But yeah...maybe...

If you're Putin, settle for Donbas for now and call it a victory.

 

Edited April 14, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Putin wants to secure Russia's borders in case of invasion

he cannot do that without taking Ukraine and more

and he's running out of time

a land bridge to Crimea and the Donbas isn't important enough to actually be a win

he has lost far more than that already in this war

he can call that a win all he wants, he's just trying to save face

 

you assume Putin is a mastermind

when it is obvious he royally f*cked up

but if he gets what you think he's going to get

that ain't the work of a genius, that's the work of a bumbling idiot

 

if taking the Donbas and a land bridge was his only goal

he could have lost a lot less to accomplish that

and making a move on Kiev didn't help him take either

it slowed down the process

and helped bring his adversaries together

the juice was nowhere near worth the sqeeze

he's no magician, he just f*cked up

You keep telling yourself that. In the meantime...Donbas is going to be either independent or Russian.

[Yzermandius19]

10 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Donbas is going to be either independent or Russian.

so what?

you keep telling yourself Putin is playing 4D Chess

while the Russian military is being exposed as being far weaker than previously thought

and what little Russia stands to gain is vastly outweighed by what they've lost and what they will lose

as a result of this foolish war

Edited April 14, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

so what?

you keep telling yourself Putin is playing 4D Chess

while the Russian military is being exposed as being far weaker than previously thought

and what little Russia stands to gain is vastly outweighed by what they've lost and what they will lose

as a result of this foolish war

According to you.

[CITIZEN_2015]

Russian flagship named after Moscow sank by Ukrainian missiles in Black Sea.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-ukraine-says-missiles-hit-russian-flagship-crew-evacuates-2/

Hopefully soon Russia's Capital will be similarly hit and destroyed as well.

[-TSS-]

Putin and the war is said to have a 83%-support among Russians. If you are stopped in the street or you receive a phone-call where you are asked do you support Putin which way do you think it is clever to answer? 

[CITIZEN_2015]

2 hours ago, -TSS- said:

Putin and the war is said to have a 83%-support among Russians. If you are stopped in the street or you receive a phone-call where you are asked do you support Putin which way do you think it is clever to answer? 

Yes I bet the Ayatollahs in Iran and Kim Jong-un in North Korea enjoy the same percentage of support. The truth is that the other 17% are the actual regime supporters who are instructed to say no in order to make the statistics look more realistic as nobody would have believed 100% support for even the most perfect regimes.

Edited April 15, 2022 by CITIZEN_2015

[Yzermandius19]

7 hours ago, Nationalist said:

According to you.

you can't even describe what just nibbling off the Donbas and a land corridor to Ukraine gets Putin

you just assume it's a big win somehow

because you realize it's pretty much all Putin is going to get

you aren't looking at what is happening and coming to that conclusion

you start with the conclusion that Putin is a 4D Chess magician and then try to jam what is happening into that conclusion

no matter how much Putin screws up, you will just claim it's all part of the plan and what he has to settle for is the only thing he wanted all along

Edited April 15, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Nationalist]

10 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

you can't even describe what just nibbling off the Donbas and a land corridor to Ukraine gets Putin

you just assume it's a big win somehow

because you realize it's pretty much all Putin is going to get

you aren't looking at what is happening and coming to that conclusion

you start with the conclusion that Putin is a 4D Chess magician and then try to jam what is happening into that conclusion

no matter how much Putin screws up, you will just claim it's all part of the plan and what he has to settle for is the only thing he wanted all along

I have never said "it's a big win".

Can't you have a debate without putting words in peoples' mouths?

This was determined before it started. They said Donbas was the goal...nobody paid attention because they preferred to wallow in their self-sacrosanct bullshit...and now the end game is...just what they said it would be.

[Yzermandius19]

6 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I have never said "it's a big win".

Can't you have a debate without putting words in peoples' mouths?

This was determined before it started. They said Donbas was the goal...nobody paid attention because they preferred to wallow in their self-sacrosanct bullshit...and now the end game is...just what they said it would be.

the Donbas isn't important

not worth the cost at all

would you be willing to pay this cost to get the Donbas, if you were Putin?

I sure as hell wouldn't

and I guarantee Putin wouldn't if he had a do over and the benefit of hindsight

trying to make it seem rational just makes one look irrational

Edited April 15, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Nationalist]

9 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

the Donbas isn't important

not worth the cost at all

would you be willing to pay this cost to get the Donbas, if you were Putin?

I sure as hell wouldn't

and I guarantee Putin wouldn't if he had a do over and the benefit of hindsight

trying to make it seem rational just makes one look irrational

You guarantee??? Interesting. 

[Infidel Dog]

Speaking of Russian home support I wonder if maneuvers like this one described in the National Post below work at influencing opinion or should be used even if they do:

Ukraine is scanning faces of dead Russians, then contacting the mothers

[Kanonir]

On 4/5/2022 at 3:44 AM, Infidel Dog said:

Liar.

Everybody does not know that. If you or anybody else had evidence of that you'd post it. And anybody with basic reasoning skills knows that.

Here's what we do know:

Satellite imagery shows bodies laid in Bucha streets for weeks, contradicting Russian claims

Have you see any bodies on this "satellite image"??? 

[Kanonir]

That's what surprises the Russians. When Hitler came to power, destroyed any dissent in the country and began to take over Europe - you all applauded him, There was an Olympics in 39 and no one sabotaged it or banned the fascist flag. All countries with the exception of Poland quickly and obediently surrendered to the German troops, No one declared sanctions against Nazi Germany, but on the contrary, obediently as slaves worked for Hitler, the British cowardly fled to their island and, together with America, waited until the last one - who would win - to join him. Hitler exterminated tens of millions of Jews and three times as many Russians. The Wehrmacht soldiers did this with extreme cruelty - they burned people alive, shot civilians by the millions, And Europe calmly accepted all this, But we remember why - because Europe is fascists, Fascism originated in France and spread throughout Europe - Spain, Italy, Greece, Germany. And only the Russians were able to cope with this horror with these bastards, And now you Europeans are just returning to your beloved fascism and that's why you love Ukraine and these inhuman Nazis who rule in Ukraine, YOU are ALL FASCISTS and BASTARDS,